Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[Jbignes5]

I'' have to check yours out...

Left one is what i did, right one should be yours.
Btw At your Picture what are this waves where your arrow point to before the pot,
another resistor or the waveform?
Right now i can run a LED and keep the Voltage pretty stable with the pot at ~6-7k
Is'nt a LED actually a thin Wire inside what make the Light at a p-n junction?
I did read somewhere something like this.
But oh well, i did not do a long run test for it now.

I need about a day to check yours out. We are very busy atm. My mom is coming up from Florida on Sunday. She is up for the Holiday and family is very high on my priority list right now.

The squiggles is actually a resistor that is set. Like a 1k to limit the maximum current to simulate a leakage that would be present in the Electrolytic cap while using the Captret method. The pot is to adjust the minimum current allowed to leak. I made this to explore the adjustment of resistance and how that affects the signal I am seeing.

Also I am thinking that paralleling more ceramic caps would strengthen the oscillation that is happening because of the leakage. It might be that we could also put the same setup on the right of the circuit as well to simulate the leakage from the other plate as well. I am not sure about that yet. It just might pull more real current from the battery and I think all we want the right ceramic cap is to use as a rebounding container.

Leds are a funny thing. Actually the highest current they will pass is on startup or conduction. After this happens they will stay open just from the flow of voltage across the junction. Thats why we will see the current ping high then drop off with the added caps filling up to operating level. Like I said earlier I think this signal is auto tuned to the battery or source and to the load as well. The whole circuit becomes balanced and will charge the battery from the mere presents of the low level flow and amplitude that this method provides.

We conduct or allows a small amount of flow and that flow has inertia. This sets the battery in a slow leak mode draining a small potential and then sloshing it around on the ceramic caps. This feeds back via the negative plate and across the positive plate causing a vacuum to form and flow increases exponentially. Once the flow is started the caps piggyback a signal into the battery at it's resonance frequency that is formed by the caps and battery.

Right now I am trying to figurew out the relationship with the resistors that are now operating as a flow valve for the leakage we are providing. I need to get some more parts from the store before I can go further. A grab bag of ceramic caps and some good ranged variable resistors (pots) plus some resistors..

If I'm gonna do this I might as well start with known good parts.

Like I said I'll look at your circuit in a day or so and let you know if the signal is present with your circuit.

By the way the new setup or design is working flawlessly... I haven't gotten a loss in voltage but I have not gained any either. It was mentioned that old parts and sloppy connections could be the case for the bad results on the charging effect as of yet. Of course I'm not running the led hard either it is only dimly lit because of the high resistor I had to use at 322k ohms. I'm gonna go with the set resistor and the variable add on to have a base limit on the leakage. This could also make it easier to use on multiple voltages or raise the range of higher voltages. I'll have to see when I get to that point.

[ibpointless2]

Unlike a normal capacitor where it has a limit of how much it can charge up to the captret doesn't. Where a normal capacitor will only fill up to the voltage of the battery a captret will exceed that.

I hooked up a battery negative to the case of a capacitor, then the positive to the positive of the capacitor. Then i measure positive to the negative of capacitor and the voltage is higher than whats in the battery. How can that be, where is this extra energy coming from? And the voltage just keeps going up, don't know when it will stop but i'll let it run.

I'll post a video of what i mean on youtube in a few minutes.

[electricity]

Captret - Where is it going?

Hey Jbig, ibpointless and all,
This is a pdf for real usable power Capacitor that the Energy fairy dropped off @ my inbox.

Seriously, what is the potential of the captret?,

What we need is COMBINED efforts in developing real usable FREE ENERGY devise that will be self sustained and fulfill all of our energy needs.

We need an organized drive, open source platform where everyone can contribute and we can all move forward and make a difference in the world.

From what that I have learned with the captret, it's just another toy. But isn't that what you all have been playing with for the past 20+ years in the Free Energy community. What have the Leaders provided other than toys to generate only enough output to drive LEDs.

I say, let's organize. Lets develop an Open Universal Platform where all of our energies can be effectively directed at solving all of our energy needs. Each of us have so many unique talents. UNITED we stand tall, divided we will be suppressed.

Let's agree on One devise, allocate our resources to each component, build, test, improve and combine our learned knowledge in building a devise that will be Self Sustained and produce copious amount of Free Energy!

For the love of Humanity, let's take back what Tesla had intended for Mankind. Freedom and Free Energy.

[Joit]

Unlike a normal capacitor where it has a limit of how much it can charge up to the captret doesn't. Where a normal capacitor will only fill up to the voltage of the battery a captret will exceed that.

You got a Point with that.

[seth]

Unlike a normal capacitor where it has a limit of how much it can charge up to the captret doesn't. Where a normal capacitor will only fill up to the voltage of the battery a captret will exceed that.

I hooked up a battery negative to the case of a capacitor, then the positive to the positive of the capacitor. Then i measure positive to the negative of capacitor and the voltage is higher than whats in the battery. How can that be, where is this extra energy coming from? And the voltage just keeps going up, don't know when it will stop but i'll let it run.

I'll post a video of what i mean on youtube in a few minutes.

A very interesting observation - i'll give the same test a go tonight. You explain very clearly what you did and i agree that for the cap to charge higher than the battery seems very strange. hmmmm....

Cheers everyone for a great thread - have fun and good luck.

[LaserSaber]

Where a normal capacitor will only fill up to the voltage of the battery a captret will exceed that.

I have also noticed this same effect a few days ago. It's a real effect and is easily duplicated.

[Jbignes5]

yeah a video would be good...

Unlike a normal capacitor where it has a limit of how much it can charge up to the captret doesn't. Where a normal capacitor will only fill up to the voltage of the battery a captret will exceed that.

I hooked up a battery negative to the case of a capacitor, then the positive to the positive of the capacitor. Then i measure positive to the negative of capacitor and the voltage is higher than whats in the battery. How can that be, where is this extra energy coming from? And the voltage just keeps going up, don't know when it will stop but i'll let it run.

I'll post a video of what i mean on youtube in a few minutes.

I think one of the main problems is if you put some real power behind the "Captret" it will fail(destruction of the cap). I am gonna take the advice that Mr. Stiffler relayed. I still believe the problem lies in the design of the cap. The electrolytic was not designed to operate the way we are using it. There are extra forces in the method of the captret that can not be averted. Even if you have a moderate charge on the battery the extra forces that would be generated by the opposing fields in the cap make the cap explode. I know this because I have tested this concept myself.

Taking the design of the flow I recreated the effect in a safe manner. One that we can control. If we release this to the public as is it will be dangerous and I for one, am not willing to let this idea go astray. We need to think about the safety of the device and using the can is not safe. Even if you design a release for the pressure there is no guarantee that the ends do not pop open. Like I said I tested this and with batteries with even a moderate charge on them seem to have enough force to break the cap open. This only does two things. It creates a safety issue and it shortens the life of the cap.

Besides I have designed a way around that by modifying the idea. It's evolving into a more powerful version. Like I said in the original version i saw a wave at the highest settings on my BK Precision scope @ .01 volts per cm. The new setup allows the scope to be set at .02 volts per cm with a two centimeter amplitude. This signal I believe is the reason for the charging on both the cap and the battery.

[Guruji]

Circuit

Left one is what i did, right one should be yours.
Btw At your Picture what are this waves where your arrow point to before the pot,
another resistor or the waveform?
Right now i can run a LED and keep the Voltage pretty stable with the pot at ~6-7k
Is'nt a LED actually a thin Wire inside what make the Light at a p-n junction?
I did read somewhere something like this.
But oh well, i did not do a long run test for it now.

Hi Joit regards about your circuit. I replicated the left one. Does the led should be kept with the circuit to charge the battery or just in the beggining?
Thanks

[Jbignes5]

I added more to the circuit.

I put a diode on either side of the led to better protect the light emitting diode from reverse spikes. This reflects them backwards away and I think it is this that is going back to the battery. When I added the diodes they didn't drop the voltage at all. In fact the signal got clearer on the scope now. The led is bright now and the voltage is stable.

I started with 9.30 volts and now it is stable at 9.22 volts with about half to 3/4 brilliance on the led. The led reads 2.62 volts steady and is rated for 3.7 volts. I think I'm gonna add more ceramic caps to the top end in parallel to see if I can get a better swing to the signal. The ceramic caps seem to be very tight seeing they are rated for 1k volts.

I'm running at about .2 uf on the ceramic caps each side (2 in parallel) and they are labeled 104m. The package said they were 100000 pf 1kv.

Oh I forgot this is whith the new stuff I just bought. The Electrolytic cap is a whopping 1000uf 200v and I got a potentiometer with 100k ohm sweep. It is running better then the "captret" single can version and I think it can push more for less now with no degraded performance over time like the single can showed.

I'll let you guys know what the new diagram looks like after I update the drawing so that others can replicate this...

And here is the new diagram:

[Joit]

Hi Joit regards about your circuit. I replicated the left one. Does the led should be kept with the circuit to charge the battery or just in the beggining?
Thanks

Hi,
the Led should stay in. I have seen slow drops at my Batterie also,
and had to adjust the Pot a bit too.
Therefor i think, anyhow the Pot should do kind of a pulse too
or a dynamic changing of the resistor.
But i figure, when it is such a slow drop as it does,
i can maybe add a solar Cell or a Joule thief.

But ibpointless is right about the higher Potential at the poled Cap,
not sure, if we can replicate it at a unpoled Version.
The other thing really is, it has low amperages at the moment,
i am guessing, that it is a static charge.
But the unpoled Version is may better to produce more Current.
But it is anyway interesting to play with it, it gives me a better picture for
what happens at charging.

[Jbignes5]

yeah I can drive the led hard with the new setup.

Hi,
the Led should stay in. I have seen slow drops at my Batterie also,
and had to adjust the Pot a bit too.
Therefor i think, anyhow the Pot should do kind of a pulse too
or a dynamic changing of the resistor.
But i figure, when it is such a slow drop as it does,
i can maybe add a solar Cell or a Joule thief.

But ibpointless is right about the higher Potential at the poled Cap,
not sure, if we can replicate it at a unpoled Version.
The other thing really is, it has low amperages at the moment,
i am guessing, that it is a static charge.
But the unpoled Version is may better to produce more Current.
But it is anyway interesting to play with it, it gives me a better picture for
what happens at charging.

This means that a rather tuned Joule Thief could push the led even brighter. and maybe charge or run a light load as been seen before. I forgot who had the Joule thief hooked up.

By the way if anyone has a good Joule thief circuit they want to try with this just let me know. I'll whip it up fast and see what it can do to my now charging Version 2.0 circuit. I still have yet to put the extra caps on to see if it gets stronger like the old version did.

[ibpointless2]

A video of captret voltage going over the voltage of battery. aka captret amplifies voltage.

YouTube - Captret amplifies voltage


Normally when you connect a capacitor to a battery it will fill up to the voltage inside the battery, but the captret goes over that voltage. went from 1.302 to 1.550. Where does that extra voltage come from?

[Joit]

This means that a rather tuned Joule Thief could push the led even brighter. and maybe charge or run a light load as been seen before. I forgot who had the Joule thief hooked up.

By the way if anyone has a good Joule thief circuit they want to try with this just let me know. I'll whip it up fast and see what it can do to my now charging Version 2.0 circuit. I still have yet to put the extra caps on to see if it gets stronger like the old version did.

automan did do that with some Videos about it.
For your Circuit you may wanna try different sizes like 103 and 104 (10nf and 100nf)
I try it now and can see a drop at connecting but then gaining.
Just the effect stay a while and after 5 mins, it sometimes drop down.
Better Resuls with my Pot at 60%, where the Batt seems gain slowly very low Voltages.
I do use now a 10nf and a 1µf(Minus side) unpoled Cap.
Seems it doesnt matter if i use a 220µf additional.
I can measure there even a very tiny AC Voltage what is steady dropping down.

For the higher Voltage at a Cap when it gets charge i dont have a Explanation for it,
maybe someone else got one.
It is maybe, because when Charge runs in under certain Pressure,
it gains more Voltage as if it only drops in.
But charging Caps at a Bedini Circuit or a Joule Thief over the Diode,
i did charge them up to 120V and higher, even the source was 7V and the Spikes about 20V.
And they did lit Lightbulbs for a Moment, so no ghost charge in them.
Anyhow hard to say, how Potential does happen in a Cap.

[gravityblock]

Unlike a normal capacitor where it has a limit of how much it can charge up to the captret doesn't. Where a normal capacitor will only fill up to the voltage of the battery a captret will exceed that.

Oh really? A disposable camera flash unit powered by a 1.5 volt AA battery contains a capacitor which may be charged to over 300 volts. Same thing with a stun gun or taser.

GB

[redrichie]

gravity,
I think he was trying to say if the battery is connected +/- to cap it will only fill up to the voltage on the battery. A camera uses an oscillator to fill up the cap. and your right it is the same thing as a stun gun or taser. But that is not what he is saying.

Oh really? A disposable camera flash unit powered by a 1.5 volt AA battery contains a capacitor which may be charged to over 300 volts. Same thing with a stun gun or taser.

GB