Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[gravityblock]

ibpointless2 has also made the claim that by connecting one alligator clip to the case of a diode will self-charge a battery in his thread at overunity.com titled, "A diode load self charges battery".

This is almost comical, but at the same time it's sad to see so many people fall for this pointless stuff.

GB

[gravityblock]

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I would be interested any input to making the captret even more efficient!

Combine the captret with ibpointless2's self-charging diode load. Maybe by combining the two, the battery won't be needed any longer.

[Edit:] I hope nobody takes this post seriously, but it won't surprise me if someone does.

GB

[ibpointless2]

Below is a quote from e2matrix on the captret thread found at overunity.com



As you can see, 9 days isn't saying much.

GB

Hmm...

Let me know if i’m wrong but....

a normal 5mm LED consumes 2mA. (.002 amps)
And a brand new 9 volt holds 595mAh, thats 595mA in one hour. (0.595 amps)

so lets hook up that LED up to the new 9 volt battery, it should last (.595 /.002 = 297.5 hours).
297.5 hours = 12.39 days (297.5 / 24hr = 12.39 days). And thats if you’re using a NEW 9 volt battery!

So something is not adding up?

So i say a 5mm LED running for 9 days straight, without losing brightness, and without losing voltage from the battery is amazing!

[gravityblock]

Hmm...

Let me know if i’m wrong but....

a normal 5mm LED consumes 2mA. (.002 amps)
And a brand new 9 volt holds 595mAh, thats 595mA in one hour. (0.595 amps)

so lets hook up that LED up to the new 9 volt battery, it should last (.595 /.002 = 297.5 hours).
297.5 hours = 12.39 days (297.5 / 24hr = 12.39 days). And thats if you’re using a NEW 9 volt battery!

So something is not adding up?

So i say a 5mm LED running for 9 days straight, without losing brightness, and without losing voltage from the battery is amazing!

A milliampere-hour (mAh) is a unit of electric charge and is not a unit of energy. One ampere-hour is equal to 3,600 coulombs, the electric charge transferred by a steady current of one ampere for one hour. Milliampere-hour (mAh) is one-thousandth of an ampere-hour (i.e., 3.6 coulombs).


GB

[gravityblock]

@All,

ibpointless2 is making a Joke out of this community. Don't be a part of this. "I be pointless too" should be a dead give-away. Don't you guys get it, or is this going over your heads also?

GB

[ibpointless2]

@All,

ibpointless2 is making a Joke out of this community. Don't be a part of this. "I be pointless too" should be a dead give-away. Don't you guys get it, or is this going over your heads also?

GB

"Ibpointless2" was a code name I had for software that i wrote, the software didn't last but the name i liked.

I'm not going to argue with you gravityblock, no one said you had to come to this thread. If you don't like it then don't comment, its that simple.

I don't intend to make the community look like a joke, you're only instigating it. I created this thread because i could get a LED to light in a unusual manner, i never expected it to be where it is now. I and many others are seeing unusual things coming from the captret.

The captret is no joking matter, it and like other things need to be studied so that we can further our knowledge.

If you Gravityblock have nothing productive to add to the captret idea then just leave and bug someone else.







Some math for others, to put things in perspective. Again correct me if i'm wrong.
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1 Ampere (A) = 1 Coulomb per sec (C/s)
1 Hour (hr) = 3600 seconds (s)
Ampere-hour = A * hr = (C/s) * hr = (C/s) * 3600s = 3600C

596mAh = .596* 3600C
=2145.6 C/hr

5mm LED = 2mA
2mA= .002 *3600C
=7.2 C/hr

So the LED can run for 298 hours, or 12.41 days.

So if your dead 9 volt battery runs for more than 13 days then you got something.

[Jbignes5]

Don't let gravity fool you...

"Ibpointless2" was a code name I had for software that i wrote, the software didn't last but the name i liked.

I'm not going to argue with you gravityblock, no one said you had to come to this thread. If you don't like it then don't comment, its that simple.

I don't intend to make the community look like a joke, you're only instigating it. I created this thread because i could get a LED to light in a unusual manner, i never expected it to be where it is now. I and many others are seeing unusual things coming from the captret.

The captret is no joking matter, it and like other things need to be studied so that we can further our knowledge.

If you Gravityblock have nothing productive to add to the captret idea then just leave and bug someone else.







Some math for others, to put things in perspective. Again correct me if i'm wrong.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1 Ampere (A) = 1 Coulomb per sec (C/s)
1 Hour (hr) = 3600 seconds (s)
Ampere-hour = A * hr = (C/s) * hr = (C/s) * 3600s = 3600C

596mAh = .596* 3600C
=2145.6 C/hr

5mm LED = 2mA
2mA= .002 *3600C
=7.2 C/hr

So the LED can run for 298 hours, or 12.41 days.

So if your dead 9 volt battery runs for more than 13 days then you got something.

The Led I bought say's 20ma @ 3.7volts constant. Of course the less you put into it the less light you get. Once the led latches on of course you can drop the flow of current down. Thats not the point the point is that batteries have been recharging even while we have all the bad connections (resistance) and everything else you can muster we will still end up draining some voltage from the dead batteries we are using.

Lets try a simple experiment. Get your led and resistor grab a capacitor and hook it up across the battery. It will light up and slowly dim out to nothing. So this proves that there is something going on here beyond just a cap holding a charge.

Anyways has no one payed attention to the Lasersaber videos?

[gravityblock]

The captret is no joking matter, it and like other things need to be studied so that we can further our knowledge.

If this is the case, then carry on.

GB

[Joit]

Played around last 2 Days with a mix of Jbignes Circuit and
add a Capret last Days.
Batterie did charge up from 7,64 to 7,76 at 24h,
Thats 0,12V indeed not much,
but nothing else to say about it.
Afterwards when i connect the Led to the Batterie, it shows it still has its Power.
Just that some Peoples dont see anymore, how ridicoulus
her helpless attempts of debunking are.
I ll stay quiet for now, because i can enjoy to laugh into her Face.

[ibpointless2]

I've built the Jbignes Circuit multiple times, and i must thanks for the great work to make the captret better. But the simulation seem not to be the same.

I've hooked it many batteries and it always would drain the battery. One battery had a standing voltage of 7.49, then it dropped down to 6.34 volts and then 6.33 and it kept falling. A normal captret would have either dropped and gone up from there or never have dropped and gone up from there.

Also when i tried it with a 12 volts it blew out the LED, I've had the captret run upto 36 volts without damaging the LED.

I've made the Jbignes Circuit captret like his diagram says but i don't see the captret effect anywhere. Do you guy who say it work was there any speical procedure you did before hooking it up?

I would like to thank Jbignes for his work!

I would like to see a captret simulation so that we can further the effect but as it stands the simple mod to capacitor is working very well and safe too.

[Joit]

The latest i did was like this, without a 220µf Cap.
Right now, i did place a 1µf poled Cap between the led's
and adjust at the pot, where are a 0,22µf and a 104 10nF Cap.
The Lights are dim, but i dont care, when it charges.
But Jbignes Point actually was, to rebuild the captret effect without having a poled Cap.
I could keep the Voltage with it stable but it dont rise.
I do thinkstill around all corners, where the Effect do happens,
but still not sure about it.
This one now charges the Battery with the right adjustment to the brightest place from leds.

--Edit-- And so far not any Damage at the Captret so far i do connect it that way.

[Jbignes5]

Yeah my simulation is not complete...

I am still working on the simulation. Although I have made progress it still hasn't charged my battery yet. Although it has ran without loss either. There is an inductive component That I am working on to facilitate the charging back flow into the battery. Like I said I am working on it and have made some progress.

The trick to the charging is to have an unequal inductive flow. The drive side of the inductor, which is a torrus, needs a bit of tweeking from me. What I have attempted to do is that as the flow goes from the drive side it drives the charging side this causes a difference in voltage back to the led and twords the battery positive or something like that in pulses....

I will put up a shot of it when i get it finished...

[ibpointless2]

The latest i did was like this, without a 220µf Cap.
Right now, i did place a 1µf poled Cap between the led's
and adjust at the pot, where are a 0,22µf and a 104 10nF Cap.
The Lights are dim, but i dont care, when it charges.
But Jbignes Point actually was, to rebuild the captret effect without having a poled Cap.
I could keep the Voltage with it stable but it dont rise.
I do thinkstill around all corners, where the Effect do happens,
but still not sure about it.
This one now charges the Battery with the right adjustment to the brightest place from leds.

--Edit-- And so far not any Damage at the Captret so far i do connect it that way.

Was your capacitor that you use as a captret was it used or new? Was it ever used for anything else? Do you know the voltage it was before hooking it up?

[Joit]

The Capacitor is a new 47µf/63V one, just used it for the other Circuits.
And i shorted it often out, so no chance, that it comes from the Capacitors Voltage.

[Jbignes5]

Actually....

The latest i did was like this, without a 220µf Cap.
Right now, i did place a 1µf poled Cap between the led's
and adjust at the pot, where are a 0,22µf and a 104 10nF Cap.
The Lights are dim, but i dont care, when it charges.
But Jbignes Point actually was, to rebuild the captret effect without having a poled Cap.
I could keep the Voltage with it stable but it dont rise.
I do thinkstill around all corners, where the Effect do happens,
but still not sure about it.
This one now charges the Battery with the right adjustment to the brightest place from leds.

--Edit-- And so far not any Damage at the Captret so far i do connect it that way.

Actually my point was to use the poled cap the way it was meant to be used. Using the hull as a cap/inductor/diode is not what it was designed to do. In fact this is probably the whole reason it fails and explodes. The additional forces that get applied to the electrolytic cap push it apart very easily when even a moderate amount of voltage is present. Couple that with using the poled cap in the opposite polarity (-) and you can see why it would come apart easier when there is an additional force axially along the cap. This is what is causing the bulging not a gassing effect. The plates are pushing against each other then sliding apart axially. Usually this would not be a problem in most cases because we are using dead batteries but it has been shown that using moderately charged batteries increases these forces and deforms the capacitor.

As I go along I will be adding a fuse just in case because we are using the captret without monitoring the setup constantly. If we do get a good charging captret design this could get dangerous and we should protect ourselves as has been suggested.