Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[Joit]

I did it only mention, because some others seems automatically think,
this Circuit will bload Capacitor.
It dont. The one it did bload for me was very less bloaded,
and i did play a lot around there with Diodes and other Elements.
A Friend of me did pop once some Caps but therefor you really need
to put Energy in or/and connect them in the wrong way.
With such current flows what we have here, i even dont think it will blow,
only slightly bload, till it rips on on top,
Therefor are this notches at Top.
Well, again, nothing do happens with the Cap when you connect it,
like shown here in the basic Captret Circuit,
and i dont know, what some Peoples did do try,
and then her Cap did bload.

I do even use a charged Batterie, and also an 9VAccu,
both are not empty, but there is nothing like bloading Caps.

I connected the Captret afterwards again, untill i did not see charging,
just to have the Voltage at the Batterie stable.
Or even after a while it did slowly drop again.
Now i connected the Captret additional, and it gains charge again,
since today the last 7h my Battery rised from 7,46 to 7,55, thats 0,1V.
But it is anyway for me only for observing, if something will changing,
when i add different Things.
For now, seems the Captret is a basic Eleement,
The Hull should be a Minus Potential, because it works like this well.
I will look further into the Led, because they are now very dim,
and it seems they work on her limit, that is about 3,3V.
I am guessing, that the pumping effect is between the conducting
and non conducting Cycle of them.
Maybe it needs another Led at the unpoled Caps part,
but that is spreading my Assumptions again,
and actually i would only post, what i did try for now.

[Jbignes5]

Well my thought was this...

I did it only mention, because some others seems automatically think,
this Circuit will bload Capacitor.
It dont. The one it did bload for me was very less bloaded,
and i did play a lot around there with Diodes and other Elements.
A Friend of me did pop once some Caps but therefor you really need
to put Energy in or/and connect them in the wrong way.
With such current flows what we have here, i even dont think it will blow,
only slightly bload, till it rips on on top,
Therefor are this notches at Top.
Well, again, nothing do happens with the Cap when you connect it,
like shown here in the basic Captret Circuit,
and i dont know, what some Peoples did do try,
and then her Cap did bload.

I do even use a charged Batterie, and also an 9VAccu,
both are not empty, but there is nothing like bloading Caps.

I connected the Captret afterwards again, untill i did not see charging,
just to have the Voltage at the Batterie stable.
Or even after a while it did slowly drop again.
Now i connected the Captret additional, and it gains charge again,
since today the last 7h my Battery rised from 7,46 to 7,55, thats 0,1V.
But it is anyway for me only for observing, if something will changing,
when i add different Things.
For now, seems the Captret is a basic Eleement,
The Hull should be a Minus Potential, because it works like this well.
I will look further into the Led, because they are now very dim,
and it seems they work on her limit, that is about 3,3V.
I am guessing, that the pumping effect is between the conducting
and non conducting Cycle of them.
Maybe it needs another Led at the unpoled Caps part,
but that is spreading my Assumptions again,
and actually i would only post, what i did try for now.

It was reported that cap were getting damaged. I did get a cap to take damage from the captret but it was because of an old cap and because it could not handle the new method to use it.

My design of 2.0 was only a way to avoid this accusation by a person who I trusted. I am now of the thought that this was only done to discredit the effect. One of the factors was that he was using a battery known to be good and had a decent charge on it. This was not the scope of this experiment.

I set out initially to investigate the captret and how it functions. The 2.0 circuit is not in my opinion correct and I have set out again to fully investigate the components that I am missing. Like I said I am in the process of redesigning the circuit to more closely mirror or simulate this captret effect if it can be done. If not then maybe we can redesign the captret to fully handle the pressures of the new use of the electrolytic cap.

[automan]

My captret circuits

Hey all,
IBpointless asked me to post my schematics as I often try unique things, so if anyone is interested here is the link to them.

Cheers

http://users.wowway.com/~lowendking/index.html

[CosmicFarmer]

Six days later... still holding same voltage with a small light...

I think your math for 12 days for a 9volt should be multiplied because atleast for me I am not seeing full brightness... maybe make the cutoff a month. If there is no voltage change in a month, then it might be something.

[Magnethos]

New effects noticed

Yesterday I heard of this effect for the first time. I spend a time making some observations.
Some result is that I was able to light the led up to 5 times using the same technique as ibpointless claimed. And then, I was able to light the led using the classic +/- connection.

I also observed that the effect could be replicated without depleting the charge of the capacitor. I mean that when you charge a capacitor then you can discharge it using the o/+ connection, without affecting the "classic" charge (+/-). But if you connect the capacitor (after the discharge of the o/+ connection, but without discharging the +/- connection), again to the battery, then you will be able to light the led again using the o/+ connection. And the important thing here is that you don't need to recharge the capacitor again because the capacitor is charged in the +/- poles. But a second connection of the capacitor to the battery, can cause a recharge in the o/+ pole without affecting the charged that is stored in the +/- pole. So.... The question is if I "recharge" the o/+ pole while the +/- is charged... is any electron flow to the capacitor? am I discharging the battery to charge the o/+ pole?

I also read in Naudin's website that he performed some simple experiment with capacitors and the battery was able to run a motor while it (the battery) was at 0.0 Volts!
Something misunderstood happens with capacitors and batteries... maybe these effects are in some textbooks but we haven't seen at them until now.

[seth]

My captret still works nicely. I dunno why people come here to disparage it. I wouldnt call it OU (i mean my rep), but its a great gizmo - the joule thief of 12V batteries....lasts what seems like forever. Im having a competition at the mo - which will last longer...the JT or captret on dead batteries (and the super diodes conveniently act as a night light). The JT is already on the second battery, but the captret is lasting forever - great stuff.

Thanks guys. Some people just dont get it - as long as it can be used effectively i like it.

[Magnethos]

A possible solution?

After reading some things about capacitors "abnormal" effects, This could be a possible solution:

1. Charge 2 or more capacitors in series
2. Disconnect the capacitors from the battery
3. Use the energy stored in the capacitor(s) using the +/o poles
4. Connect the capacitors in parallel and then discharge them into the same battery, using the classic connection (+ and -)

In some websites, we can read that if you charge 2 capacitors in series and discharge them in parallel into the same battery, the battery could be self-recharged. This is done using the + and - poles of the capacitors, not the alternative poles (o and +).
I want to explain that if the battery can be self-recharged using the classic poles of the capacitors and performing the technique described above, and use the alternative poles of the capacitor to perform work before discharging the capacitors in parallel to the same battery, it would be possible to create a very efficient energy generator. But tests must be performed to confirm or discard this hypothesis.

[Jbignes5]

Yes...

After reading some things about capacitors "abnormal" effects, This could be a possible solution:

1. Charge 2 or more capacitors in series
2. Disconnect the capacitors from the battery
3. Use the energy stored in the capacitor(s) using the +/o poles
4. Connect the capacitors in parallel and then discharge them into the same battery, using the classic connection (+ and -)

In some websites, we can read that if you charge 2 capacitors in series and discharge them in parallel into the same battery, the battery could be self-recharged. This is done using the + and - poles of the capacitors, not the alternative poles (o and +).
I want to explain that if the battery can be self-recharged using the classic poles of the capacitors and performing the technique described above, and use the alternative poles of the capacitor to perform work before discharging the capacitors in parallel to the same battery, it would be possible to create a very efficient energy generator. But tests must be performed to confirm or discard this hypothesis.

This is exactly how we should approach this. In fact loading the cap up does in fact let you use the o,+ or o,- to get way more work out of the cap then using it in the traditional mode. I have been able to use the o,+ or 0,- to flash and led for a very long time. It just pulses away and doesn't seem to loose anything at all.

Another approach would be to pulse the 0,? into another cap and when it gets charged up enough to dump it into the battery. I haven't started on that method yet because I think I might be onto why this effect is happening in the original captret device. I hate to keep everyone in the dark over this but I want to be absolutely sure that I have a simulation that accurately models the captret. It is coming along and the design has changed many times in the process. I am still working on it and it will hopefully be more then what I presented the last time.

Lets keep this going and see where we can take this. All ideas should be presented and processed to see if we can get even more out of the captret.

This is not about me or anyone else. Lets make this about just finding out what this effect is and try to amplify this and make it useful.

[ibpointless2]

This is exactly how we should approach this. In fact loading the cap up does in fact let you use the o,+ or o,- to get way more work out of the cap then using it in the traditional mode. I have been able to use the o,+ or 0,- to flash and led for a very long time. It just pulses away and doesn't seem to loose anything at all.

Another approach would be to pulse the 0,? into another cap and when it gets charged up enough to dump it into the battery. I haven't started on that method yet because I think I might be onto why this effect is happening in the original captret device. I hate to keep everyone in the dark over this but I want to be absolutely sure that I have a simulation that accurately models the captret. It is coming along and the design has changed many times in the process. I am still working on it and it will hopefully be more then what I presented the last time.

Lets keep this going and see where we can take this. All ideas should be presented and processed to see if we can get even more out of the captret.

This is not about me or anyone else. Lets make this about just finding out what this effect is and try to amplify this and make it useful.

I agree i've made a video showing that you can flash a LED twice for the price of one.

YouTube - Explain this Captret Effect DrStiffler

[Jbignes5]

more than one flash...

I agree i've made a video showing that you can flash a LED twice for the price of one.

YouTube - Explain this Captret Effect DrStiffler

You can go more then one flash from the o,?.... Many many times you can flash from there.

[ibpointless2]

You can go more then one flash from the o,?.... Many many times you can flash from there.

@all, Happy Thanksgiving!

@jbigness
Is this what you mean?

YouTube - Captret Forever Blinking

It seems like it would flash forever.

[ibpointless2]

After reading some things about capacitors "abnormal" effects, This could be a possible solution:

1. Charge 2 or more capacitors in series
2. Disconnect the capacitors from the battery
3. Use the energy stored in the capacitor(s) using the +/o poles
4. Connect the capacitors in parallel and then discharge them into the same battery, using the classic connection (+ and -)

In some websites, we can read that if you charge 2 capacitors in series and discharge them in parallel into the same battery, the battery could be self-recharged. This is done using the + and - poles of the capacitors, not the alternative poles (o and +).
I want to explain that if the battery can be self-recharged using the classic poles of the capacitors and performing the technique described above, and use the alternative poles of the capacitor to perform work before discharging the capacitors in parallel to the same battery, it would be possible to create a very efficient energy generator. But tests must be performed to confirm or discard this hypothesis.

I believe the best way to go about this is to charge the two caps in series, then disconnect them from the battery. Discharge from the o to the + and disconnect that and then discharge from the + and -. You get double the discharge for the price of one. I've done this with a basic LED, shown here ....

YouTube - Explain this Captret Effect DrStiffler

Two flashes for the price of one charge could be applied to charging a battery; charge the battery once with the capacitors then discharge from the captret and then from the normal leads of the capacitor. It should charge twice as fast?

[Magnethos]

the first thing we need to do is to build a "capacitive power source". It means that you need to charge a capacitor bank with the power of a battery, disconnect the caps from the power source and then run things with the energy stored in the caps, using the (+,o) connections.
If you're able to run a small motor or a small light bulb with that energy, then we can perform the next task.

second, verify or discard the theory that you can recharge a battery with its own energy. that test is more easy. using only the classic connections (+ and -) you need to charge a couple of caps in series, disconect them from the battery, connect them in parallel and dischage them into the same battery. if there is some evidence that the battery can be self charged, then you will have a super efficient vacuum energy generator.

[Guruji]

Captret

the first thing we need to do is to build a "capacitive power source". It means that you need to charge a capacitor bank with the power of a battery, disconnect the caps from the power source and then run things with the energy stored in the caps, using the (+,o) connections.
If you're able to run a small motor or a small light bulb with that energy, then we can perform the next task.

second, verify or discard the theory that you can recharge a battery with its own energy. that test is more easy. using only the classic connections (+ and -) you need to charge a couple of caps in series, disconect them from the battery, connect them in parallel and dischage them into the same battery. if there is some evidence that the battery can be self charged, then you will have a super efficient vacuum energy generator.

So can this be done with a complete circuit with say using mosfets? just giving ideas.
Thanks

[Jbignes5]

Yes it can.

So can this be done with a complete circuit with say using mosfets? just giving ideas.
Thanks

I believe this can be done in many many different ways from purely mechanical to solid state circuits.

This is the method to get way more out then in by not touching the caps main charge. In fact this is the very reason that when used in a traditional sense the caps recharge themselves to a limited amount.

Lets do it like this. Charge a cap in the normal fashion then measure the charge on the cap and each pole to the caps casing. I bet there is a correlation between the two poles and how much an electrolytic self recharges. Since we are doing it in reverse there is way more to gain then using the cap in a traditional method.

This is the perfect example of using a source without touching that source. You are right about the time aspect as well. It takes a bit for it to become stronger but what if we multiplied that by 10 or 100 or even 1000 in parallel? I have proved experimentally that the amount of units that the captret is in parallel amplifies this strength. My multi captrets provide a stronger effect then a single unit. Hence using multiple captret in parallel is the way to go.