"the gravitator" pf Tomas Townsend Brown

[antigraviticsystems1]

YouTube - gravitator lo siento Amigos,soy español y no se ingles,confio en que podamos entendernos...un Abrazo estimados compañeros

[seth]

Who is the designated Spanish translator here?

This looks interesting. I'd love to hear the details.

[antigraviticsystems1]

Who is the designated Spanish translator here?

This looks interesting. I'd love to hear the details.

colleagues estimated this work is a personal effort to show whether the tap Gravitator townsend brown can become an accomplished fact, the energy of the high voltage source is about 38kV, the Gravitator is built with 37 layers of wax paper and 38 layers of aluminum foil, thank you for this forum so great.........Thomas Townsend Brown: British Patent # 300,311 -- Gravitator YouTube - transductor electro-kinetico (empuje sin liberación de masas).MOV

[seth]

Thanks for the info!

I have a few more questions about design though - do you have a link to a diagram?? If you do, im sure there are many on this forum who would love to replicate something that broke Newtons law of action/reaction I certainly would!

I assume you're using DC - have you tried AC??? No luck???

[xee2]

YouTube - gravitator lo siento Amigos,soy español y no se ingles,confio en que podamos entendernos...un Abrazo estimados compañeros

You might also want to watch

YouTube - transductor electro-kinetico (empuje sin liberación de masas).MOV

[xee2]

@ Seth

Thanks for the info!

I have a few more questions about design though - do you have a link to a diagram?? If you do, im sure there are many on this forum who would love to replicate something that broke Newtons law of action/reaction I certainly would!

I assume you're using DC - have you tried AC??? No luck???

I think this is a better approach.

The Rotating Lafforgue's Field Propulsion Thrusters by Jean-Louis Naudin

NOTE: this does not use ionic thrust. I do not think his explanation is correct, but that does not matter since it works. He did seveal very intersting experiments that can not really be explained with current physics.

EDIT: I was wrong. These do work by ionizing air. It just is not so obvious.

[stevend]

YouTube - gravitator lo siento Amigos,soy español y no se ingles,confio en que podamos entendernos...un Abrazo estimados compañeros

Looks good. My only concern would be just above the gravitator where the two wires enter the gravitator. They are awfully close together there and given the diameter of the wires and the closeness, the electric field must be very strong. If that insulation isn't perfect then there would be ionization there.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org

[seth]

@ Seth



I think this is a better approach.

The Rotating Lafforgue's Field Propulsion Thrusters by Jean-Louis Naudin

NOTE: this does not use ionic thrust. I do not think his explanation is correct, but that does not matter since it works. He did seveal very intersting experiments that can not really be explained with current physics.

Hi Xee!

I remember reading the ''antigravity and plasma propulsion '' book by Lafayette and i remember he also calculated that the Lafforgue thrusters produce more power than any other antigrav patent. It seems to me the strength of the dielectric used between electrodes is paramount to added thrust - according to TT Brown the extra weight of the dielectric adds extra momentum and power. What do you think? Where can we get our hands on some barium titanate? Id like some heavy cylinders for sure

Do you have any antigrav plans or designs in the works? Would be nice to do something antigravitic on the side Im still into the exciter but im feeling no inspiration at the mo and need some other projects to broaden my mind

[stevend]

Where can we get our hands on some barium titanate?

I purchased 12 lbs of BaTiO3 (barium titanate) (product no. BA-901) from Atlantic Equipment Engineers in about mid 2002. It arrived in a 1 gallon can containing a plastic bag with the BaTiO3 in powder form, 99.9%, 0.5-3.0 micron. I don't recall how much I paid but it was afordable. Their website is http://micronmetals.thomasnet.com.

To make a high K dielectric using batium titanate powder you pretty much have to sinter it under high pressure. From experience, inserting a binder will result in a much lower K. Even just hand tamping the powder into a cylinder didn't result in a high K, likely due to all the low-K trapped air. I haven't been able to do any sintering myself, but with epoxy binder the highest K I've been able to get is 27. But of course that means the electric field through it is stronger and for the geometry I was using, rod an surrounding cylinder, it broke somewhere between 10kV and 20kV. Here are my efforts with binder:
http://rimstar.org/materials/dielect...tor_batio3.htm

Alternatively you could use doorknob capacitors. Some of them use barium titanate. I've tried that before where I put a bunch of them in parallel, applied over 50kV and looked for weight loss. The results were negative.

EDIT: For anyone who's curious and in case it gives anyone some ideas, I just added photos and full details of this doorknob capacitor experiment to the following:
http://rimstar.org/sdprop/highk/bari...propulsion.htm
We could go to only 59kV before breakdown AROUND the capacitors so by improving the insulation around them someone might be able to go to higher voltage and get positive results.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org

[xee2]

@ Seth

If you look at the LFPT v3 experiment by JNL you will see he used a very low dielectric constant material (foam) and got excellent results. So I would think a high dielectric constant may help but is not needed.

I do not have a 30 KV supply and the needed space to do these experiments, so I can not do them myself. But if you want to do some scientifically significant antigravity experiments that really work, I would suggest that these experiments are a good place to start. Please let me know if you do.

[stevend]

This just came up in the jlnlabs yahoo group:

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From: fisheye45us
To: jlnlabs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:36:28 AM
Subject: [jlnlabs] barium titanate

I have aprox 150lbs of barium titanate piezo for sale on ebay right now for $10.00 for 4oz.it is soluble in sulfuric acid.You can make it any shape you want.ebay Item number:150509947565
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You can go to ebay do an advanced search for the above item number, or the following long link might work:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

The shape might be right for experiments.

@xee2,
I did try the Lafforgue thruster a long time ago. I got some movement but it was too hard to tell apart from what you'd get from normal air currents that I didn't pursue it further. Might be worth trying though.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org http://wsminfo.org

[seth]

This just came up in the jlnlabs yahoo group:

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From: fisheye45us
To: jlnlabs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:36:28 AM
Subject: [jlnlabs] barium titanate

I have aprox 150lbs of barium titanate piezo for sale on ebay right now for $10.00 for 4oz.it is soluble in sulfuric acid.You can make it any shape you want.ebay Item number:150509947565
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You can go to ebay do an advanced search for the above item number, or the following long link might work:
Piezo,Barium Titanate Ceramic Material,Silver Plated - eBay (item 150509947565 end time Nov-20-10 15:38:06 PST)

The shape might be right for experiments.

@xee2,
I did try the Lafforgue thruster a long time ago. I got some movement but it was too hard to tell apart from what you'd get from normal air currents that I didn't pursue it further. Might be worth trying though.
-Steve
rimstar.org - Solar/wind, composting, non-conventional energy/propulsion Wave Structure of Matter (WSM)

WOW!

Never ceases to amaze me some of the great advice and help available from kind folk here and on OU.com. I want me some of that barium titanate, straight from NASA





Gonna have to wait for delivery, but yes, i think ill get some! Thanks Xee - i'd forgotten about the really simple Lafforgue build that Naudin did. Its a great idea, and i'll try and replicate with something...i threw away all my polystyrene when i moved. I'll keep you posted anyhow guys.

[broli]

The more surface area the more force. Look here to see what makes super capacitors have their high capacitance:

Electric double-layer capacitor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think experimenting with activated carbon can also give a boost in force generated. Notice the equation is proportional with the square of voltage:



from: The Lafforgue's Action Force Thruster Solver by Jean-Louis Naudin

Since Voltage = E*distance (ignoring integral). Increase surface density of charge directly increases E and thus the force is increased in squared manner. 1000x more E = 1000 000x more force.

I also like this one due its simplicity: Electrostatic pressure on a charged body by Jean-Louis Naudin

Can you imagine using trillions upon trillions of closed capped nanotubes:


charge density would be insane. It would probably push earth out of orbit. Just dreaming.

[wings]

The more surface area the more force. Look here to see what makes super capacitors have their high capacitance:

Since Voltage = E*distance (ignoring integral). Increase surface density of charge directly increases E and thus the force is increased in squared manner. 1000x more E = 1000 000x more force.

charge density would be insane. It would probably push earth out of orbit. Just dreaming.

see also this patent 5637946:
Thermally energized electrical power source - Boyd B. Bushman - Lockheed Corporation
Thermally energized electrical power ... - Google Patent Search

[antigraviticsystems1]

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