Fake or Genius

[SilverToGold]

If it was faked using magnetic pulses from under the table, the little magnet pusher on the bottom would probably move from the pulses. Or else the pulses would have to be perfectly timed when the pusher moves.

Of course as already pointed out, compressed air could have been used.

The only way to know for sure is to build it.

[teslaproject]

Yes

Yes that is real. You only have to build yourself a very crude spiral to figure that the principle is sound.

Normally the ONLY sticking point on the spiral configuration is when the rotor comes FULL circle and then stops because the magnets cannot broach the 'wall' without some sort of manipulation. There are a number of ways around this and this guy has opted for a simple cam on the side which 'bunts' the attracting magnet temporarily away just enough to hurdle the small magnetic 'wall'. This process negates the need for a human hand to intervene every time and do the same thing.

@ Peter - Magnet orientation is a no brainer on this one. On the wheel they are either ALL North or all South (it doesnt matter). The flat bar magnet on the bunting arm merely points the other way so that it either attracts them or repels them. There is only a small amount of tuning with a device of this configuration and it all depends on the size and strength of magnets.

Sure you can make a more sophisticated device with multiple cams and many attracting magnets. In the end what you would have is something akin to a orbital magnetic engine. More arms will mean more torque. What this guy has done is just show you the concept and keep it simple. It has been done before and there are patents alrerady.

ALL of this being said...this setup is fairly useless and delivers VERY low torque. It is going to be limited as to what you can do with it. On top of that it would have to be a certain size and this prohibits application for many compact devices. It's a novelty at best.

Regards

TP

[everyidea]

Here are a few things I have noticed from this video that you might want to take note on.

1. Large brass bolt in rotor, opposite of the gate. Does this balance it or off balance it?

2. At the point of the gate the end and start magnets are lined up. Adding the bolt would balance it out, but the bolt looks too big to compensate for the two additional magnets.

3. He's using a rectangle bar magnet for his stator and under pusher. I used a cylinder magnet.

4. The rotor magnets don't look right. The tops of them look machined, not smooth like regular neo magnets.

5. Looks like the top metal contact point for the white cam is a skateboard bearing, that would make sense.

rw

[redrichie]

@eclipz:
Due to the shape of the cam it may only be able to obtain a certain speed. As the unit speeds up and the cam engages the bearing, it may cause a difference in "wave" as the follower disengages from the cam. It tries to get faster but the cam action can only support so much and then slows down.
I wasnt able to really able to see any speeding up and slow down once it reached speed. Watch the bottom of the cam follower. It looks like rubber bands assists in the motion, the up and down movement seems to keep a pretty steady rhythm to me.

[everyidea]

On the wheel they are either ALL North or all South (it doesnt matter). The flat bar magnet on the bunting arm merely points the other way so that it either attracts them or repels them. There is only a small amount of tuning with a device of this configuration and it all depends on the size and strength of magnets.

With a stator cylinder magnet this orientation would not work. You would need the poles on the V to be opposite of the stator poles. That is the set up I used in my videos.

But the working video uses a stator/pusher rectangle bar magnet, which has the strength of the flux in the center of the bar and tappers off at the ends. In this formation then I could see the rotor being all one pole, the opposite of the stator. The rotor would ride the flux, just in reverse when compared to a cylinder magnet.

I do agree that it might not have the strength to do major work, but it would be interesting to see what it could do, like power a joule thief.

rw

[Vickers]

I think all mags are repelling including the lower magnet. The lower only moves when the cam hits it and in my opinion is the driving force.
I dont believe the top magnet? is a magnet at all.

[teslaproject]

yes

I think all mags are repelling including the lower magnet. The lower only moves when the cam hits it and in my opinion is the driving force.
I dont believe the top magnet? is a magnet at all.

Exactly...a simple piece of iron will work ALSO.

@ All - If you ever want to achieve OU...stop analysing things to death. Talk, talk, talk is mostly all that occurs at these forums. For instance, in this case, even when you are told how it works, people still step up and say "aww gee umm they don't quite look like magnets cos of this or that".

Cmon!!!! Are you freaking serious? Who cares if its depleted Uranium or something I pulled out of my ass! The fact is that talking and supposition only gets you so far. I for one experiment and then observe and only by doing this can you learn, KNOW for sure and ultimately find truth.

Blah blah blah....so much bulldust. You know the amount of times OU has been waved right in front of your face and you guys just skip from one thing to the next?? Plenty! I really dont know what you are waiting for.

TP

[everyidea]

Here is what I built and is in my video's.

If the top stator magnet is set up in repulsion then the top bar would be pushed up during the spin, it would be pinned against the top notches in the support poles. It is not, so it is set up in attraction.

The more and more I think about this regarding the flux pattern of a rectangle bar magnet, the more I question it. I don't believe the flux pattern arc of a rectangle bar magnet is sharp enough to drive the rotor. Only testing will tell.

Speculation will get people nowhere so the best thing to do is to build one and try to figure it out. Isn't that what Bedini always says?

rw

[Vickers]

Here is what I built and is in my video's.

If the top stator magnet is set up in repulsion then the top bar would be pushed up during the spin, it would be pinned against the top notches in the support poles. It is not, so it is set up in attraction.

The more and more I think about this regarding the flux pattern of a rectangle bar magnet, the more I question it. I don't believe the flux pattern arc of a rectangle bar magnet is sharp enough to drive the rotor. Only testing will tell.

Speculation will get people nowhere so the best thing to do is to build one and try to figure it out. Isn't that what Bedini always says?

rw

Interesting file Evervidea. Appears the cylindrical has a natural gate? In the center. Are u sure this is correct?

[everyidea]

Interesting file Evervidea. Appears the cylindrical has a natural gate? In the center. Are u sure this is correct?

Positive, buy one and see.

rw

[Vickers]

I think all mags are repelling including the lower magnet. The lower only moves when the cam hits it and in my opinion is the driving force.
I dont believe the top magnet? is a magnet at all.

I'm wrong. On closer viewing, Its north/south respectively. This is beautiful.
Pure simple design to demonstrate the basics. So simple. And inspiring.
If you are reading this robert33

[ashtweth]

Hang on guys, this is based on the German guy's magnetic motor isn't it?, he has a recent vid in German with a new small working magnetic motor and a patent on it, think he did the V gate one first or has one. Cant for the life of me think of the link now , he has a patent magnetic motor. Difference is he loaded it, and spoke of the infinite acceleration that can happen.

Ash

[Vickers]

Hang on guys, this is based on the German guy's magnetic motor isn't it?, he has a recent vid in German with a new small working magnetic motor and a patent on it, think he did the V gate one first or has one. Cant for the life of me think of the link now , he has a patent magnetic motor. Difference is he loaded it, and spoke of the infinite acceleration that can happen.

Ash

What was the name of that amazing Australian self running generator that was popular for a while ....was it Lutec????Lutec Australia Pty Ltd - Welcome!

This robert33 guy has shared the secret. Anyone with a basic understanding of physics or simple engineering common sense will see it.
Its easy to be blinded by simplicity if you believe the question to be difficult.

[everyidea]

After thinking about this all day I get the feeling we're being had. Here are my concerns;

1. Music instead of real audio. Big tip off for me to being fake. I did not do this and anyone that does seams to be hiding something. Except for Imhotep, he's just on a whole other plane.

2. rectangle magnet as the stator and under magnet. These do not have a sharp enough flux pattern to cause the rotor magnets to pull it forward. For a rectangle bar magnet, the strongest point is in the center, right where it starts in the video with it contacting the start of the V. I tried this with my set up, starting at it's strongest point in the gate, it would not go anywhere and locked up. Attraction V gates work by going from weak to strong, not strong to weak. Refer to my PDF, the V starts at the weak point of the cylinder magnet and pulls the rotor forward up its strengthening flux on the ends of the cylinder magnet. Could it be magnetized like a cylinder... yes it could. But, then why not just use a cylinder magnet, their made that way.

3. Weird cut patterns on the top of the rotor magnets, they look machined. No magnets look this way. If they where just steel then ok... it would make sense. But then we fall back on question 2, not enough flux curve to get it moving, it would just lock up on the start of the V due to starting on the strong part of the flux.

4. They pulled it from their channel. They knew people would try to make it and didn't want it to taint their other video's when it was found to be fake. The old egg on one's face wins again.

So, the thing to test is if a rectangle bar magnet with the flux pattern of a cylinder magnet can pull a steel V forward. The funny thing is that I have already tested it with metal screws drilled into a wheel and a cylinder magnet could not make it move... I'm strongly leaning to compressed air but I'm still open to it working.

rw

[theremart]

Pipe Dream

reminds me of the pipe dream setup. I think Rick could try this with his bicycle wheel.