My E-motor - how does it work?

[gravityblock]

The atmosphere has the ability to quickly absorb the ions, which could leave behind a partial vacuum or low pressure. Can you blow smoke or hold an incense stick to check for windage while the rotor is rotating and not rotating. It's a simple and quick test which could reveal alot.

Also, how is the magnet magnetized in your setups. Axially, radially, diametrically?

Thanks,

GB

[wings]

DBD plasma actuators

Arvind Santhanakrishnan, Research

http://www.nd.edu/~tcorke/w.J_Aircra...sma%20Wing.pdf

[seth]

Ok - heres another with ammetre connected between rotor and 0V. It doesnt seem to give a true reading - all that HV plays havoc with it, and if it werent such a cheap model, I would never have done this

with complementary neon lights for that individual touch - i was pleased to see they still lit a little. Ive had such fun with them already on ion motors!!!

Im also pleased to think i could stick my negative electrode onto another wooden board and get 2 running at the same time.

YouTube - emotor4.wmv

[seth]

The atmosphere has the ability to quickly absorb the ions, which could leave behind a partial vacuum or low pressure. Can you blow smoke or hold an incense stick to check for windage while the rotor is rotating and not rotating. It's a simple and quick test which could reveal alot.

Also, how is the magnet magnetized in your setups. Axially, radially, diametrically?

Thanks,

GB

magnets are always n/s in the vertical position - so one at the top and one at the bottom. any other alignment and it wont stick to the croc clip. (axially right?)

Next video will have the smoke test, i promise. its a good idea, and i might as well do somthing useful with the habit.

[elias]

Hi

Well thanks, as I recall I have seen a video of the lifter operating in vacuum, meaning that the lifter effect does happen when no air is present, and it might be related to the Aether.

If your motor works inside a vacuum chamber, then the ion theory might not be correct.

Keep on experimenting!

Elias

[gravityblock]

Hi

Well thanks, as I recall I have seen a video of the lifter operating in vacuum, meaning that the lifter effect does happen when no air is present, and it might be related to the Aether.

If your motor works inside a vacuum chamber, then the ion theory might not be correct.

Keep on experimenting!

Elias

A vacuum tube creates a centripital force towards the center when the air is evacuated. If the air is rarefied or less dense in a vacuum tube instead of an absolute vacuum, then the rarefied air will become ionized inside the vacuum tube which can create an inequality in this centripital force allowing the lifter to operate.

GB

[broli]

Another way to try to see if it's a homopolar motor is to add a conductor below the magnet which is centered with the axis of rotation. This way the supposed ionisation current would perhaps prefer that path and reduce torque of motor.

[elias]

A vacuum tube creates a centripital force towards the center when the air is evacuated.

Hello, How is that?

[gravityblock]

Hello, How is that?

The centripetal force is due to the ether. You're right in saying the lifter effect may be related to the ether inside a vacuum, but this doesn't mean the ion theory is incorrect either. I'll explain this later, when I have more time.

GB

[seth]

Another way to try to see if it's a homopolar motor is to add a conductor below the magnet which is centered with the axis of rotation. This way the supposed ionisation current would perhaps prefer that path and reduce torque of motor.

I ALWAYS use a conductor under the magnet - thats what the alan keys are doing, and if you watch my video with the spinning foam, you'll see aluminium foil on the foam. The magnet on its own wont work if its positioned axially (north and south at top and bottom) - because ionization current is only at right angles to the magnetic field in this conductor. Without the conductor the e field and b field are in the same vertical postion.

[broli]

I ALWAYS use a conductor under the magnet - thats what the alan keys are doing, and if you watch my video with the spinning foam, you'll see aluminium foil on the foam. The magnet on its own wont work if its positioned axially (north and south at top and bottom) - because ionization current is only at right angles to the magnetic field in this conductor. Without the conductor the e field and b field are in the same vertical postion.

I attached a visualization of probable current flow in two setups. According to homopolar principles the first should give little to no torque.

However are you saying the illustrated magnetic orientation does not produce torque?

[seth]

OK - if the second picture has a conductor which is horizontal then yes - this produces torque as the ionization current will flow at right angles to the b field along this conductor. The first picture shows a vertical conductor - right? Then yes, this doesnt produce any torque.

I'll try and put a few more diagrams on my vids to make the setup clearer.

[gravityblock]

Replace the Al foil with a homopolar electret.

In contrast with heteropolar electret, the homopolar electret contains real charges of only one sign and charge of opposite sign is induced in available electrodes. The value of these charges depends on the capacitance between the electret charge and corresponding electrode that works as an electrostatic “mirror”.

The publication found in this thread on Electrostatic charges in v x B fields: The Faraday disk and the rotating sphere may explain your motor Seth.

Is it possible to do away with the external power supply with this information?

GB

[seth]

Replace the Al foil with a homopolar electret.

In contrast with heteropolar electret, the homopolar electret contains real charges of only one sign and charge of opposite sign is induced in available electrodes. The value of these charges depends on the capacitance between the electret charge and corresponding electrode that works as an electrostatic “mirror”.

The publication found in this thread on Electrostatic charges in v x B fields: The Faraday disk and the rotating sphere may explain your motor Seth.

Is it possible to do away with the external power supply with this information?

GB

Interesting - dont really understand the article. Bit too much heavy algebra for me. but i get your idea. Do you have any advice as to where homopolar electrets can be found? will the local radio market have some? What are they called??


I think it would be necessary to use it instead of the positive electrode...but can they get up to 20Kv??? I dont think my magnet motor will work without some high voltage.

[gravityblock]

Do you have any advice as to where homopolar electrets can be found?

Method for manufacturing a homopolar electret from a foil.

GB