Lockridge Device - Peter Lindemann

[mbrownn]

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post213237

Obviously people want to find the answer to this.

The achievements so far

1) Proof of transformer actions in a motor.

2) Proof of motoring and generating in the same motor case.

3) proof of additive actions of the transformer effect and generation. (there is more going on here but we don't have enough data yet)

4) Apparently reduced BEMF

[mbrownn]

Unfortunately PM motors are not suitable for a lockridge type device as they do not have field coils and cause cogging. I know Peter was experimenting with such a motor but this was only for the action of the armature.

[mbrownn]

A four pole motor with a similar configuration to the delco generator is needed, A starter motor is not ideal as the coils draw a huge current and have little inductance as well as the motor bearings not being designed for continuous use although it could be rewound.

What you are looking four is the four pole stator design shown in this manual on page 12 column 30 TM 9-1825a - Delco-Remy Electrical Repair Manual, WW2

It is interesting to note that searching the internet I have not found a better donor motor as yet. If the motor has interpoles, it is not suitable unless they can be removed. It fact it is better if all the poles can be removed too.

I am currently trying to get a golf cart motor although these are far from ideal and would require extensive modification. All the windings are too heavy, it has interpoles, the armature is wound wrong etc etc. All it will actually be providing is the frame, bearings, pole pieces, rotor frame and brushes. All the copper will be scrap.

It will probably be similar to this http://lh6.ggpht.com/_PyWhdnXX8As/Sm...MG_1461-sm.JPG

If you do find a suitable motor link to a picture so we can see it.

Some 4 pole AC motors look to have suitable stators but obviously the rotor isn't.

[ewizard]

If we consider a battery to be a form of capacitor then we have a sort of LRC circuit and of course this will have a resonant frequency and as we also have a capacitor after the motor coil we do seem to have a Tesla style LRC circuit so yes resonance could well be playing a part.

Is this a requirement to make the device perform as we want it to? I don't think so but I will not dismiss it because I don't know.

What you describe is a typical sweet spot phenomenon. Is it because of resonance or is it caused by some other thing? again I don't know but I have learned to NOT dismiss things out of hand.

A couple of years ago I went down the route of trying to extract energy out of resonance in a motor. To be fair, I think I did get more power out, but it came in the form of increased voltage and heat, not current and it is current we need to give torque in a motor.

If you, or anyone else for that matter has a spare 4 pole DC motor, I will lead you through some tests to see if what I am talking about is real or not. The more that do it, the more reliable the results are and at the end of the day if the results prove successful we will have the beginning of a lockridge device.

If we do not find anything, you can return the wiring to how it was and nothing was lost.

I may have a 4 pole DC motor in a couple days. I'm not sure yet what I'll be doing with it as the original plan is on hold but I'm interested in your thoughts on this. I think this unit may be close to 1/2 HP.

[mbrownn]

Hi mbrown.

You said "This could be significant, it may be the case that the device cannot be loaded until it is up to speed suggesting a sweet spot in operation. "

Is it possible that the device has to be in resonance to become overunity?
For example my rotary attraction motor becomes resonant ( I think) when I raise the voltage at around 100volt , it reaches a speed at which the input power drops down fast from 1amp to 750ma but the speed remains stable and so does the output ( I run another motor on the output spikes ).
And then when I raise the voltage some more, it goes back to 1 amp.

Just a thought.

Robert

If we consider a battery to be a form of capacitor then we have a sort of LRC circuit and of course this will have a resonant frequency and as we also have a capacitor after the motor coil we do seem to have a Tesla style LRC circuit so yes resonance could well be playing a part.

Is this a requirement to make the device perform as we want it to? I don't think so but I will not dismiss it because I don't know.

What you describe is a typical sweet spot phenomenon. Is it because of resonance or is it caused by some other thing? again I don't know but I have learned to NOT dismiss things out of hand.

A couple of years ago I went down the route of trying to extract energy out of resonance in a motor. To be fair, I think I did get more power out, but it came in the form of increased voltage and heat, not current and it is current we need to give torque in a motor.

If you, or anyone else for that matter has a spare 4 pole DC motor, I will lead you through some tests to see if what I am talking about is real or not. The more that do it, the more reliable the results are and at the end of the day if the results prove successful we will have the beginning of a lockridge device.

If we do not find anything, you can return the wiring to how it was and nothing was lost.

[Robert49]

Hi mbrown.

You said "This could be significant, it may be the case that the device cannot be loaded until it is up to speed suggesting a sweet spot in operation. "

Is it possible that the device has to be in resonance to become overunity?
For example my rotary attraction motor becomes resonant ( I think) when I raise the voltage at around 100volt , it reaches a speed at which the input power drops down fast from 1amp to 750ma but the speed remains stable and so does the output ( I run another motor on the output spikes ).
And then when I raise the voltage some more, it goes back to 1 amp.

Just a thought.

Robert

[mbrownn]

We have one member building a delco based unit for testing, it will take some time as a lot of things need to be proven and tested.

I am trying to get a golf cart motor to work with, It wont be quite as easy to work with but may be more efficient.

Another has a motor similar to what is in a washing machine.

We have to use a four pole motor/generator as the base to make the magnetic circuit work. Two of the field coils are energizer coils to energize the magnetic circuit and power the transformer action. the generation coils are the output of the transformer, the generation and provide the motoring torque

Hint Hint

We are making progress

[mbrownn]

Sorry I missed this post, yes there may have been an external flywheel but I have not found any reference to anything other than the motor/generator itself. Any additional information you could uncover would be very important. Keep talking to your friend.

[Robert49]

Hi guys.
I just talked with my friend Henry and asked if he remembered more about the device he saw during the war.
He says he saw the man in charge of it hand crank the device and it would turn and accelerate for ten minutes (he thinks there was probably a flywheel on the generator) and then the guy flipped a switch and they heard a loud noise and the light came on.

Don't know if this helps but here it is.

Good luck to all.

Robert

Forgot to mention that the hole thing was in a wooden box about 1ft by 2ft by 1ft high . So it is possible there was a flywheel .

Robert

[mbrownn]

Hi guys.
I just talked with my friend Henry and asked if he remembered more about the device he saw during the war.
He says he saw the man in charge of it hand crank the device and it would turn and accelerate for ten minutes (he thinks there was probably a flywheel on the generator) and then the guy flipped a switch and they heard a big noise and the light came on.

Don't know if this helps but here it is.

Good luck to all.

Robert

This could be significant, it may be the case that the device cannot be loaded until it is up to speed suggesting a sweet spot in operation.

I would really like to talk to this guy myself unfortunately I live half a world away

[Robert49]

Very interesting, could you ask your friend more about it?

Sorry i did not see this before, I dont have an internet connection at the moment

Hi guys.
I just talked with my friend Henry and asked if he remembered more about the device he saw during the war.
He says he saw the man in charge of it hand crank the device and it would turn and accelerate for ten minutes (he thinks there was probably a flywheel on the generator) and then the guy flipped a switch and they heard a loud noise and the light came on.

Don't know if this helps but here it is.

Good luck to all.

Robert

[mbrownn]

Thanks for the link and the insights.
When i read about you discussing the transformer effect in motors it got me excited because of an idea that had been floating around in my head about the transformer effect in generator coils. A pair of coils that can only conduct in opposite directions from the use of diodes. As the magnet approaches it tries to induct both coils but only one can conduct. This becomes the primary. As it conducts it makes a flux that slows down the rotor. This flux then inducts the other coil and current flows in the opposite direction(secondary). As in a standard transformer the flux from the secondary neutralizes the flux made by the primary(which creates lenz drag) and also lowers the primaries impedance so more current can flow through it.
When the magnet leaves the coil the same thing happens all over again except that the two coils swap roles. You got me curious about what might happen if a motor coil were wound over the top of these. I wont waffle any further because yet again Ive managed to pick the wrong thread for it and I dont want to become a nuisance. Thanks again for the advice and ideas you have given me so far.
wil

If you wind one coil over a second coil the flux does not have to go far to transfer its effect into the secondary wire therefore the flux in the core is reduced. If we separate our coils along an iron core the flux has to pass along that core to reach the second inductor

Now if we place the armature of a motor in that iron core the flux has to pass through the armature causing rotation. if we draw more current from our secondary winding this causes more flux in the armature and therefore more torque from the motor.

I think winding secondaries on the power coils will reduce the motor torque and so will be counter productive.

[mbrownn]

Hello Mbrownn

I have Disclosed exactly this now recent release by Mr. Squire, on this same Forum, exactly same experiments and tests that you are mentioning in the statement above, when I started My First Thread back in February 2012..meaning, running any Symmetrical Motor off a Coil reversed feed, and regulated/filtered through two Diodes, being pulsed by a simple 555 timer oscillator, here is a simple Diagram I posted back then:

Happy Motor Diagram

Latest experiments also have proven...there is absolutely no need to have a "large mass of iron"...but just ...Air.

Further on, many Members here have tried that experiment very successfully...including Member Netica...where we could see on the video below, an Air Core...and note how Amperage does not increases when He adds a mechanical load to Motor Shaft...that video has been out since June 2012...

Ufopolitics Project Replication with DC brushed motor. by netica. Video 2 - YouTube


Regards


Ufopolitics

Thanks for the reply UFO, points noted.

I think the Iron depends upon what you are doing with the motor. If you have very rapid switching and high frequency, Iron may not be needed but that isn't always practical with commutator switching. either way testing will reveal what is best and the more people that do it the more certain we can be of the results.

[mbrownn]

mbrown,

I think this is key. I thought of building a large inductor and cap outside, but not around the motor. But saw that the transformer effect would take place with the split in the core of that old generator in the vid with John Bedini.

I have the same 1950's generator and another three (different types) to work with. I don't have the means to replicate the choke and capacitor as he said in the video. That's a lot of copper sheeting!!

Still here and want to help if I can.
wantomake

Yes any tests you do will help. You can make up a bank of capacitors and making the trifilar coil will be relatively easy if you can get the wire, getting its inductance right might be more of a problem

[lotec]

Yes it is possible to have more windings on the output coil to step up the voltage of the transformer effect, this would also increase the voltage generated through lenz. This may actually be the case in the lockridge device but as yet I dont know. You could also have twin secondaries but they would need to be in the magnetic circuit.

I don't really understand the second part of your question

Thanks for the link and the insights.
When i read about you discussing the transformer effect in motors it got me excited because of an idea that had been floating around in my head about the transformer effect in generator coils. A pair of coils that can only conduct in opposite directions from the use of diodes. As the magnet approaches it tries to induct both coils but only one can conduct. This becomes the primary. As it conducts it makes a flux that slows down the rotor. This flux then inducts the other coil and current flows in the opposite direction(secondary). As in a standard transformer the flux from the secondary neutralizes the flux made by the primary(which creates lenz drag) and also lowers the primaries impedance so more current can flow through it.
When the magnet leaves the coil the same thing happens all over again except that the two coils swap roles. You got me curious about what might happen if a motor coil were wound over the top of these. I wont waffle any further because yet again Ive managed to pick the wrong thread for it and I dont want to become a nuisance. Thanks again for the advice and ideas you have given me so far.
wil