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  • Ah OK. The problem with a starter motor is the lack of turns on the coils, they require a huge current to work.

    I have been thinking about what we need in the motor. If we need it to run on 220v 5 amps, we would normally have an amount of coil resistance to prevent the coils fusing before the BEMF builds up to restrict the current. As resistance is a loss that robs energy from a resonant circuit we don't want this resistance. We are also going to limit BEMF by restricting speed. In a normal motor circuit this would be a burn out condition. We are restricting the amps by pulsing so we wont burn out the motor.

    If we use a starter motor on 12v it may draw 50 to 100 amps under load. If we then put 220v into it of course it will burn out as the current will also be 20 times higher, so we restrict the current with pulsing. If we restrict it to 100 amps our motor will run at normal power output but we are putting 22kw of power into the motor and it will melt as we cannot get rid of the heat.

    The amount of power we can put into the motor is set by how much heat the motor can dissipate. The amount of output power is set by the current that can flow and the number of turns on the coils. It is therefore a requirement to have a high number of turns and a low resistance making the motor big for the amount of power it produces.

    So a 2kw motor may be oscillated at 2kw but the current flowing has been dramatically reduced by pulsing so may only produce 600 watts (even lower when you consider the motor efficiency) so our resonant circuit has to be set up to consume less than that, possible but not easy.

    If we use a 220v motor, the resistance is robbing the power and it does not work. If we use a 12v motor our resistance is good but we don't have sufficient turns on the coils to get the power output.

    There is another way. If we oscillate a coil in a transformer in the same manner and limit the current drawn from the secondary winding, can we get more current to power a 12v motor? Yes. It looks to me like the motor is standard and it is the trifilar coil that is being oscillated. It is much easier to alter the specs of this coil than rewind a motor.

    My experiments show that there is more energy oscillating in a resonant circuit than we put in, we just need a motor that draws less power than the gain and produces more energy than the input. Standard motors cannot run on this voltage and current. A transformer of sorts can step up current at the expense of voltage to run our motor. we just need to set it up and oscillate it to fit the parameters of the motor. Easier said than done.

    At the moment I am back at the drawing board trying to work out how to do it. My initial ideas while in theory would work require a special motor. We know that the Lockrige motor was not totally rewound and that the rotor was standard.

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    • If we look at the Vw generator or even the Gm generator as showm on Johns dvd there isnt much room inside the housing to do much of anything. The VW generator is much smaller in size than the GM generator. But at that time it co uld have been a six volt generator. Assuming that it was a VW generator.
      Which was then changed over to fit a Gm generator housing. I think once this motor is running up to speed, residual magnetisim has a lot to do with keeping the voltage and amperage circulating in the system. Keeping the system charged with little or no input just enough to keep up the magnetic feild on so it can continue rotating. Close to where the BEMF and rotation are close to equal depending on how many watts are drawn off to light the light bulbs. May have to set up a different neutral plane for the brushes so we can have the armature in front of the motor and gen coil at the same time. That way we get two reactions for the price of one.

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      • Vw

        I was hoping when this thread started that a Vw generator would be used. Since that's what the original German device was. Examining an old six volt
        one might provide more insight. Another thought came to me recently but may
        be way out there. In John Bedini's video about the Lockridge device, it was explained that the capacitor consisting of sheets of copper and meat paper
        was wrapped around the generator. Is it possible that energy was being picked
        up by this configuration, not only from the brushes, but from the turning of the
        motor? Extra electromagnetic radiation being captured into the capacitor along with that captured from the brushes. Would this be possible ?

        George

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        • FRC,

          Your "out there" idea may not be so far "out there"

          One item that puzzles me somewhat is in relation to the rotor windings -

          where can one look to find out if the windings were individual and not a
          continuous one wire?

          I think your idea, especially seeing the two slots in the casing, would allow
          the so called capacitor to act more like a "biased" transformer.

          Garry

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          • You may find these circuits of interest but you need to close the aplat between each link or you don't get the new circuit. I have worked on all these over the last four years.

            This is a star wound rotor with bifilar stator coils Circuit Simulator Applet

            This is a delta wound rotor with biflar stators Circuit Simulator Applet

            Just sequence the switches to make the circuits work.

            Hiwater and FRC I have looked at both those possibilities too and each have their merits and drawbacks.

            Garrypm the original device was a 6v star wound device run on 12v I believe. However I have come to the conclusion that we do not need to go star wound as we can use a separate commutator or PWM.

            I have about 50 possible circuits for the Lockridge device, many of which show a gain of energy in the motor coils but that does not lead to motor power as we need current to run a motor not voltage. I am still working on that and it has to be the operation of the trifilar coil that does it

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            • mbrownn,

              I have an idea about the Lockridge device. It may be way off mark, but it is right in line with Eric Dollard, Steinmetz, and a Russian paper titled "Concerning the Excitation of Electrical Waves Through Parameter Changes" (translated).

              The case of the Lockridge generator had two slits cut down the side. This effectively isolates the two section of the generator. As the magnetic field is rotating, the saturation of the iron of each section begins to happen at twice the frequency or harmonics thereof (depending on the number of poles). This saturation causes a change in reactance. Mr. Dollard seems to think that energy synthesis happens via parameter changes at harmonic frequencies.

              Read Charles Steinmetz's book "Theory and Calculation of Alternating Current Phenomena" 1900 Edition, chapter XXI "Reaction Machines" for more info. Not all editions have this chapter so it must be 1900 ed.

              Again, just something that I have been thinking about and wanted to share,

              Dave

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              • Guys,

                Part of the answer is here -

                STARGATE MOTOR FULL DEMO - YouTube

                Not to mention his selfrunners

                Garry
                Last edited by garrypm; 01-25-2012, 06:36 AM.

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                • For those that have been following my work on the Lockridge trifilar coil you will know that I believe it to be the device that allows an off the shelf motor to work in the circuit. This video shows exactly what I am looking for. It transfers high current at low volts from a coil that is oscillating in high frequency high voltage resonance without killing the oscillation. It is also interesting to note that the motors inductance does not have any effect on the circuit either.

                  I recommend you spend some time studying this for sure. fun with lcs - YouTube.

                  Is it the break through, I'm not sure, but it looks like it may be

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                  • resonance

                    Resonance seems to be the theme in a lot of the threads around here lately.
                    Peter Davey, Donald Smith, and here with mbrown's approach. I like Webooox's
                    observation about the original Lockridge device. Like JB noted a while back, what
                    was being done on this thread was much different than the original device was.
                    But if we can get the desired outcome it does not really matter how it is done as
                    long as it works.

                    George

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                    • P.S. Those references to Steinmetz, Dollard, and the Russian Paper that I gave are not mathematical speculation. All three sources have conclusions based off of experimentation. There seems to be a common theme to where the energy is coming from. Parameter variation at harmonics of the fundamental frequency... How is the Lockridge device exhibiting a harmonic parametric function?
                      Last edited by Web000x; 01-25-2012, 02:35 PM.

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                      • Web000x

                        Originally posted by Web000x View Post
                        P.S. Those references to Steinmetz, Dollard, and the Russian Paper that I gave are not mathematical speculation. All three sources have conclusions based off of experimentation. There seems to be a common theme to where the energy is coming from. Parameter variation at harmonics of the fundamental frequency... How is the Lockridge device exhibiting a harmonic parametric function?
                        I thought you gave us one possible explanation to your last question. I am glad that mbrown has brought a new invigoration to this thread with the resonance angle. Your previous post Web000x seemed to propose a probable confirmation of that view. The original Lockridge device was in fact utilizing resonance. Somehow this was missed or over looked and it took mbrown to bring it to our attention. Thanks again mbrown.

                        George

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                        • Originally posted by Web000x View Post
                          mbrownn,

                          I have an idea about the Lockridge device. It may be way off mark, but it is right in line with Eric Dollard, Steinmetz, and a Russian paper titled "Concerning the Excitation of Electrical Waves Through Parameter Changes" (translated).

                          The case of the Lockridge generator had two slits cut down the side. This effectively isolates the two section of the generator. As the magnetic field is rotating, the saturation of the iron of each section begins to happen at twice the frequency or harmonics thereof (depending on the number of poles). This saturation causes a change in reactance. Mr. Dollard seems to think that energy synthesis happens via parameter changes at harmonic frequencies.

                          Read Charles Steinmetz's book "Theory and Calculation of Alternating Current Phenomena" 1900 Edition, chapter XXI "Reaction Machines" for more info. Not all editions have this chapter so it must be 1900 ed.

                          Again, just something that I have been thinking about and wanted to share,

                          Dave
                          To be honest I don't know enough about Dollard to comment but If the motor does run on AC you are correct but I am not sure it does. An AC motor requires the lamination to reduce the eddy currents but in a DC motor it is less Iron losses. In an AC motor these losses could be halved by running on pulsed DC and reduced much more in a DC motor, that is one reason why I think the motor was DC or pulsed DC.

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                          • Originally posted by mbrownn View Post
                            For those that have been following my work on the Lockridge trifilar coil you will know that I believe it to be the device that allows an off the shelf motor to work in the circuit. This video shows exactly what I am looking for. It transfers high current at low volts from a coil that is oscillating in high frequency high voltage resonance without killing the oscillation. It is also interesting to note that the motors inductance does not have any effect on the circuit either.

                            I recommend you spend some time studying this for sure. fun with lcs - YouTube.

                            Is it the break through, I'm not sure, but it looks like it may be

                            I am the creator of that video, if you have any questions go ahead and shoot!

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                            • Originally posted by FRC View Post
                              Resonance seems to be the theme in a lot of the threads around here lately.
                              Peter Davey, Donald Smith, and here with mbrown's approach. I like Webooox's
                              observation about the original Lockridge device. Like JB noted a while back, what
                              was being done on this thread was much different than the original device was.
                              But if we can get the desired outcome it does not really matter how it is done as
                              long as it works.

                              George
                              Yes I agree but now I understand why Peter went this direction, its the ampere turns and eliminating BEMF. With a resonant circuit you get a gain in volts but you are current limited, without a means to convert that power into low voltage high current you are left with the problem that Peter was trying to solve. A normal transformer will rob the power from a resonant circuit but if this video I linked to is correct the solution is here.

                              Although the original device was star wound and used for the switching, the motor part was probably unmodified. We can get round this by putting an external commutator or a PWM circuit and use a standard motor.

                              My plan is to take a standard motor and externally switch it by some method but I could not see the way to make the high energy oscillations into low voltage high current without killing the oscillation. I was thinking that I would have to completely rewind a motor to make it run on low current but then I looked at this video fun with lcs - YouTube Is this the answer? Come on guys, give me your thoughts.

                              My gut told me it was the trifilar coil all along.

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                              • Originally posted by Armagdn03 View Post
                                I am the creator of that video, if you have any questions go ahead and shoot!
                                Yes lots of questions first do you have skype?

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