Lockridge Device - Peter Lindemann

[cwaugs]

Dewey, Your question "Will your working model be at the next conference?" has been answered multiple times here

"">>Originally Posted by Peter Lindemann View Post
Mark, and everyone else, My goal is to help everyone here, who wants to, learn how to build a self-running system. That said, I do not have time to get involved with "the build" as you put it, because I am too busy working for a living.What I would like to do is help you all understand what it will take to develop a working design. There are a lot of details that have not been worked out yet, and there is no reason to believe that "the group" here understands the science of what I presented in my lecture.<<""

As far as a good working contact arrangement I have used a commutator and an alternator slip ring setup which is bulletproof and already proven to last. just mount them both on a shaft and jumper as many comm segments together as needed then connect the slip ring terminal to the comm. I'll try to take some descriptive pics tonight to make my ramblings clearer. Wayne

[emfimp]

I just reviewed the DVD a couple nights ago, and noticed that Peter said that we may have to rewind the field winding with more turns of smaller gauge wire, or put a resistor in series with the field winding. (I believe the motor to be a shunt wound w/ heavy gauge wiring, but mine is at a machinist's currently so I cannot verify. I bought the suggested starter motor from the DVD)

I presume this mod is to minimize field current, so the majority of the current passes through the armature, producing more torque & useable power.

Just wondering if it may be a beneficial option to simply put the field in series with the armature, as an alternative to the above two. This would accomplish (I believe) the intent of the other two options, while not requiring a lot of effort & possibly gaining a lot of torque, as evidenced by the torque graphs in the DVD. (comparing shunt & series wound motors)

Love to hear your opinion, Peter, & anyone else's thoughts on this too!

[Mark]

Emfimp

I'm pretty sure that the field winding and the amature windings are already in series.

[dragon]

Peter, you stated in an earlier post...

" There are a lot of details that have not been worked out yet, and there is no reason to believe that "the group" here understands the science of what I presented in my lecture "

What are we missing? I hate to go through an entire build only to find out I missed something along the way then have to re-build it because of some small details I overlooked...
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[Armagdn03]

Peter, you stated in an earlier post...

" There are a lot of details that have not been worked out yet, and there is no reason to believe that "the group" here understands the science of what I presented in my lecture "

What are we missing? I hate to go through an entire build only to find out I missed something along the way then have to re-build it because of some small details I overlooked...

Thats half the fun!

[Mark]

Mark, and everyone else,

My goal is to help everyone here, who wants to, learn how to build a self-running system. That said, I do not have time to get involved with "the build" as you put it, because I am too busy working for a living.

What I would like to do is help you all understand what it will take to develop a working design. There are a lot of details that have not been worked out yet, and there is no reason to believe that "the group" here understands the science of what I presented in my lecture.

So we can all get going on the SAME PAGE, I would like everyone who wants to participate in this thread to write down on a piece of paper what your understanding and definition of BACK EMF is.

DO NOT POST YOUR ANSWER. Just write it down as best you can. I told the answer in the lecture, but I don't want early "posters" to influence others, for better or for worse. Then on Sunday night, everyone can post their answer without looking at anyone else's answer. That should give me a pretty clear idea of how people are thinking about this and what they have learned from my lecture so far.

I will figure out how to proceed after this.

Peter

Peter,

Have you figured out yet how to proceed. Your presence on this thread has been very minimal.

Can you give some direction on how to best increase the efficiency of the starter motor. IMHO a start would be bearings on the front and back plates, minimal tension on the comutator brushes, more windings on the armature and some method to capture the colapsing magnetic field.

Some questions I have are: will adding more windings of a smaller wire on the armature reduce the torque? What would the effect be of removing the amature winding cores?

[dragon]

Thats half the fun!

Probably a little more than half actually - but it's nice to see your work become a success instead of another project on the scrap pile waiting to salvage its parts for another project....
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[dragon]

getting close...

I expect I should be close enough to start running some tests with it this weekend.... I ran it up to 2000 rpm with the flywheel in place and it will drive a 60 watt bulb conventionally for a few minutes dissipating the energy from the flywheel.

I have the final assembly and the commutator to design and build and it should be ready...
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[Peter Lindemann]

Answers

Hi Guys,

Now that the big crush to ship all of the DVDs is over, and Christmas is behind us, I can focus more attention here.

I have also finished preparing the PowerPoint presentation as a downloadable PDF file, and hope to have that available on my website soon.

The idea behind my lecture is to come to a deep understanding of the motor functions of the machine.

Back EMF is, I believe, a term that simply obscures the fact that the machine is not a motor or a generator, but a motor/generator all of the time.

If you rotate the shaft of the machine, the generator functions are such that the electric current driving the external loads are IN PHASE with the appearance of the motor functions that are in opposition to the force turning the shaft. The odd thing happening here is that ALL of the voltage drop occurs in the external load and the reverse motoring effects occur where the voltage is rising again. This suggests that the torques produced are related only to the movement of current in the machine, without regard to whether the voltage is dropping or rising. Again, this suggests that the reverse torque production is not related to any "dissipation of electricity".

If you apply electricity to the machine, however, a completely different set of conditions prevail. At start-up, the motor draws the maximum electrical energy, in relation to both voltage and current. But this is NOT the point at which the machine produces the maximum mechanical energy (POWER). The electrical power input, as the cross product of volts times amps DOES NOT translate directly into the production of mechanical power output, as the cross product of torque times speed. This relationship is NOT IN PHASE, and therefore, suggests strongly that electricity is NOT being CONVERTED into mechanical energy by the machine. There is a more complex relationship than simple, one-to-one conversion.

It is this NON-LINEARITY between the electricity expended and the mechanical energy produced that we hope to exploit for our benefit.

My goal is NOT to redevelop the Lockridge Device, although I am not against any of you trying. My goal is to learn exactly how to run ordinary motors in a torque enhanced condition at high speed to produce a GAIN in MECHANICAL POWER.

In the coming days, I hope to lay out what I think is a reasonable pathway to discover how to run unmodified DC motors in this power enhanced condition.

Peter

[Peter Lindemann]

Awesome Work

I expect I should be close enough to start running some tests with it this weekend.... I ran it up to 2000 rpm with the flywheel in place and it will drive a 60 watt bulb conventionally for a few minutes dissipating the energy from the flywheel.

I have the final assembly and the commutator to design and build and it should be ready...

Dragon,

Your build looks excellent. Your initial test shows how important the flywheel is in overcoming the back emf of the generator. From your posts, you seem to have a firm grasp of the issues.

If you wire 3 light sockets in parallel between the generator output and the capacitor, then you can play with the ballast resistance by inserting different light bulbs in combination.

Once the external commutator is operational, then it is just about finding the right balance between the armature and field in the motor to produce the largest torque bursts from the capacitor discharges.

Keep up the great work. I think your model looks very promising.

Peter

[dragon]

Thanks for the kind words Peter, I was concerned for a bit there I was overlooking something that might be critical. So it seems I'm still on track and forward she goes... the quest for balance - or maybe more of an "imbalance" as it were.
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[erfinder]

Hello,

I sincerely applaud the efforts of all who are trying to build this device, however, I have a question. Why are trying to reinvent the wheel? Why not take a step back and look into the past, the device we seek EXISTS ALREADY!! Mind you, I'm only referring to the core of the technology in question.... A member of this forum asked whether the following patent had any relation to the device under investigation...no response was provided.....

http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/3913004.pdf

http://freeenergyinventions.com/Alexan4.jpg

My opinion.....the device in that patent applies!!! Not only is it relevant, the concept is old, and we have seen it before, directly and indirectly it relates to capacitor discharge driven loads...

http://www.tfcbooks.com/images/books/ntac/040.gif

This image comes from a lecture Nikola Tesla gave in 1893, in my opinion the motor/generator in this image is the same as the device shown in the first image. At the end of the day we are looking for a motor equipped with a "built in" means for charging the motor driving capacitor bank. As presented, the device isn't configured as it must be to best serve our purposes, however, its closer than anything that anyone is discussing as of late, its a whole lot cheaper too (well....thats relative!!)

What did Tesla have to say regarding driving motors with cap discharge...

"Very high frequencies are of course not practicable with motors on account of the necessity of employing iron cores. But one may use sudden discharges of low frequency and thus obtain certain advantages of high frequency currents without rendering the iron core entirely incapable of following the changes and without entailing a very great expenditure of energy in the core. I have found it quite practicable to operate with such low frequency disruptive discharges of condensers, alternating current motors. A certain class of such motors which I advanced a few years ago, which contain closed secondary circuits, will rotate quite vigorously when the discharges are directed through the exciting coils.............................By observing certain elementary rules I have also found it practicable to operate ordinary series or shunt direct current motors with such disruptive discharges, and this can be done with or without a return wire."

There you have it...straight from the man who inspired a generation....not only can we drive DC shunt and series wound motors, but also AC motors....(and you thought this was limited to DC...shame on you...

Now...the million dollar question....does the motor/generator combo used by Tesla in 1893, and the patented device exist today, and if so, whats it called...

Back in the day it was called a "ROTARY CONVERTER" the mechanical equivalent of our present day inverter! We lost a more than we bargained for when the decision was made to go electronic! Today the device goes by the same name. Research this device, its history, and discover how any wound rotor motor (AC or DC) can be converted into a Rotary converter. Once you have the rotary converter, one side can be used for motoring, and the other side for charging the cap bank....

this is just a little food for thought....no claims being made....yet!

Regards

[radiant1]

thread needs a name change

By Peter Lindemann

"The idea behind my lecture is to come to a deep understanding of the motor functions of the machine. My goal is NOT TO REDEVELOPE The LOCKRIDGE DEVICE, although I am not against any of you trying. My goal is to learn exactly how to run ordinary motors in a torque enhanced condition at high speed to produce a GAIN in MECHANICAL POWER."
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In light of the above statements I now see the need to change the name of this tread to "Improving Conventional Motor Efficiancy". There needs to be a new thread started just for those building lockridge type devices. If I knew how to, I would do that. I think most on this thead are in the "I want to build a lockridge device catagory".

My current ideas to build a lockridge type device are to get a generator with several power circiuts. We are looking for a generator from a portable welder. They put out lots of power and have multiple output circiut combinations, like 12volt, 110 volts and 220 volts. We are going to use the 12volt circuit to run a 12 volt drive motor to run the generator. The other circuits can then be used for power without the need to ad caps and coils. There are 2 ways to make the 12 volt drive motor work better. 1. A speed control to run it slower with pulleys to run the generator. 2. pulse the drive motor with a PWM.

There is a witts.com video showing a motor and generator connected together with no electronics. They ran a grinder and drill press with that set up.
Looking forward to a new thread starting.
Alan

[Peter Lindemann]

No Replications

Hello,

I sincerely applaud the efforts of all who are trying to build this device, however, I have a question. Why are trying to reinvent the wheel? Why not take a step back and look into the past, the device we seek EXISTS ALREADY!! Mind you, I'm only referring to the core of the technology in question.... A member of this forum asked whether the following patent had any relation to the device under investigation...no response was provided.....

http://www.rexresearch.com/alxandr/3913004.pdf

http://freeenergyinventions.com/Alexan4.jpg

My opinion.....the device in that patent applies!!! Not only is it relevant, the concept is old, and we have seen it before, directly and indirectly it relates to capacitor discharge driven loads...

http://www.tfcbooks.com/images/books/ntac/040.gif

This image comes from a lecture Nikola Tesla gave in 1893, in my opinion the motor/generator in this image is the same as the device shown in the first image. At the end of the day we are looking for a motor equipped with a "built in" means for charging the motor driving capacitor bank. As presented, the device isn't configured as it must be to best serve our purposes, however, its closer than anything that anyone is discussing as of late, its a whole lot cheaper too (well....thats relative!!)

What did Tesla have to say regarding driving motors with cap discharge...

"Very high frequencies are of course not practicable with motors on account of the necessity of employing iron cores. But one may use sudden discharges of low frequency and thus obtain certain advantages of high frequency currents without rendering the iron core entirely incapable of following the changes and without entailing a very great expenditure of energy in the core. I have found it quite practicable to operate with such low frequency disruptive discharges of condensers, alternating current motors. A certain class of such motors which I advanced a few years ago, which contain closed secondary circuits, will rotate quite vigorously when the discharges are directed through the exciting coils.............................By observing certain elementary rules I have also found it practicable to operate ordinary series or shunt direct current motors with such disruptive discharges, and this can be done with or without a return wire."

There you have it...straight from the man who inspired a generation....not only can we drive DC shunt and series wound motors, but also AC motors....(and you thought this was limited to DC...shame on you...

Now...the million dollar question....does the motor/generator combo used by Tesla in 1893, and the patented device exist today, and if so, whats it called...

Back in the day it was called a "ROTARY CONVERTER" the mechanical equivalent of our present day inverter! We lost a more than we bargained for when the decision was made to go electronic! Today the device goes by the same name. Research this device, its history, and discover how any wound rotor motor (AC or DC) can be converted into a Rotary converter. Once you have the rotary converter, one side can be used for motoring, and the other side for charging the cap bank....

this is just a little food for thought....no claims being made....yet!

Regards

Dear erfinder,

In 1983 I was living in Santa Barbara California and working with Bruce DePalma. When the Alexander patent first surfaced, Bruce called him on the phone, as he was in Pasadena. Alexander said he wanted $250,000 for a demonstration of the machine. When DePalma said he could raise the money quickly, Alexander said, "in that case, the price just went up!". The phone call ended shortly thereafter.

A number of people in DePalma's circles built units but none of the attempts to replicate Alexander's stated energy gains ever proved out.

The bottom line is, running the machine in the standard motor and generator modes produces conventional behaviors.

No one has EVER reported success in replicating this machine.

With what we know now, it MAY be possible to get this method working, but FIRST we have to prove out the POWER GAIN mechanism in running the motor with short, high voltage, high current pulses.

I have pointed this exact quote by Tesla out in a different thread, and you are correct. But these things MUST be explored systematically or we will not discover how to accomplish this with "off-the-shelf" parts.

Peter

[dragon]

By Peter Lindemann

"The idea behind my lecture is to come to a deep understanding of the motor functions of the machine. My goal is NOT TO REDEVELOPE The LOCKRIDGE DEVICE, although I am not against any of you trying. My goal is to learn exactly how to run ordinary motors in a torque enhanced condition at high speed to produce a GAIN in MECHANICAL POWER."
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In light of the above statements I now see the need to change the name of this tread to "Improving Conventional Motor Efficiancy". There needs to be a new thread started just for those building lockridge type devices. If I knew how to, I would do that. I think most on this thead are in the "I want to build a lockridge device catagory".

My current ideas to build a lockridge type device are to get a generator with several power circiuts. We are looking for a generator from a portable welder. They put out lots of power and have multiple output circiut combinations, like 12volt, 110 volts and 220 volts. We are going to use the 12volt circuit to run a 12 volt drive motor to run the generator. The other circuits can then be used for power without the need to ad caps and coils. There are 2 ways to make the 12 volt drive motor work better. 1. A speed control to run it slower with pulleys to run the generator. 2. pulse the drive motor with a PWM.

There is a witts.com video showing a motor and generator connected together with no electronics. They ran a grinder and drill press with that set up.
Looking forward to a new thread starting.
Alan

I believe it all relates to the original Lockridge device as well as many others, Peter has simply broken it into understandable sections of "off the shelf" components. Each component needs to be studied in it's operation in order to actually comprehend what the lockridge device really is. All the basics are there.
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