Wikileaks: Here to Save Democracy!

[uusedman]

Sorry I couldn't help myself, you post was just so silly.
For the record I am NOT been paid to post here, I am posting here because I do one small good thing for Earth each week.
Hey, I was feeling lazy this week, so shoot me...
I will plant a tree next week I promise!


Red

Jullian Assange did state that 911 conspiracy theories annoy him. Just look it up. Does it make sense now????

In terms of the IP's address lookup, most paid public relations company are offices of large number of people who just blog. They don't really mask their IP's or using proxy services since it slows down the services plus it is a step that is not needy for harmless posts. Also, sometimes people slip. What kind of sensitive information did you post that needed a rerouting scheme or IP masking? Fyi, the amount of energy it takes to truly by anonymous are numerous.

You posts are clear and straightforward, give wikileaks a chance. These cables are filtered and any free-thinking person who understands what is going around in the world will understand that they been filtered, up to now. Certain countries are exempt from the leaks, up to now. It is very interesting to see what is going on now in these leaks, however, didn't we know or had an idea of what is going on? Ron Paul is a great American who I adore and respect. The first Amendment is crucial to our republic and I hope that wikileaks is not manipulating our emotions through the First Amendment when it is really creating apathy to certain regimes that are no longer favorable in certain parts of the world.

Wikileaks has given birth to the idea that we need to censor the web, don't believe me, listen to the news and the idea is starting to be sold.

You are absolutely right to think I am silly if I am going to believe everything you posted about wikileaks. AND you are silly to think I am going to believe you right away and allow this topic to go on without skepticism. Also, you are silly to think FREE-THINKING people on this forum to believe you just because you said it.

Let's wait and see what get exposed, however, until now nothing has been leaked that has been critical. Also, the DoS attacks on Wkileaks.org is illegal and must be investigated. The refusal on bond to Julian Assange is weird and incomprehensible. Julian Assange can be classified as a political prisoner if not released immediately. The refusal of bail to Assange impedes on the democratic and justice process in London which will only affects its role in the world.

I love trees and love to plant them. God bless you.

Peace

[Aaron]

controlling the web

In regards to censoring the web, the idea has been around since the
web was pretty new. Even in the Project for the New American Century
- a neocon group - their document Rebuilding America's Defenses,
it calls for control of the internet. That was before 9/11 and it was that
doc that also said they need a "New Pearl Harbor", which of course was
9/11.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf


Basically it lays out totalitarian control and empire building.

Anyway, they weren't talking about just censoring the web but outright
controlling it to prevent "enemies" from using it against the U.S.

[Aaron]

leaking intelligence sources

These criminal hypocrites in congress are so against this info coming out,
yet Dick Cheney is a free man although he outed Valerie Plame - leaked
by a "VICE PRESIDENT" - and none of them have a problem with that
apparently.

[Rod74]

Do you think the leaked Israeli documents will have info like this:
"Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College, on audio. The video details evidence on why it is 100% certain that Israel did 9/11 and the official story is a pack of lies."
Director US Army WarCollege says Israeli Mossad Did 911, page 1

Something shorter than that won't make it.

There is more to the 9-11 story than the public knows. Find a military member that was deployed to Saudi Arabia weeks before 9-11 happened, in August to be exact.

Ask them what happened over there and what Saudi Arabia did to our military.

If you can't find anyone that was there then, find someone who was deployed to Saudi AFTER 9-11 and ask them what Saudi Arabia gave them/forced them to get??

Some still have it in their back pockets....it's a piece to why 9-11 happened.

[ashtweth]

I would also rather that Wiki had more secure people with ALL access to the info not just Julian , one guy is a loose end, if he decides not to publish it etc.

@ uusedman do you have any ideas how you would police Wiki leaks from what you said? Just interested to hear if you or any one here had any ideas HOW THEY WOULD DO IT DIFFERENT? We have some great minds here that's all.

Ash

[RedRightHand]

YouTube - True News: Wikileaks - The Hammer Comes Down

I think this video might explain a few things to those skeptics out there.


Red

[RedRightHand]

I would also rather that Wiki had more secure people with ALL access to the info not just Julian , one guy is a loose end, if he decides not to publish it etc.

@ uusedman do you have any ideas how you would police Wiki leaks from what you said? Just interested to hear if you or any one here had any ideas HOW THEY WOULD DO IT DIFFERENT? We have some great minds here that's all.

Ash

Watch this video ash: YouTube - True News: Wikileaks - The Hammer Comes Down

Wikileaks is not just one person, Jullian is the 'fall' guy, he takes the heat while the rest of the guys get the job done.
Wikileaks collaborates with 5 major media outlets, to seek advice on what they can and can't get away with publishing. These 5 media outlets have complete and FULL access to all wikileaks leaks.
Its very hard to tell how many people run wikileaks because, most wikileaks people are anonymous - people say 120-500 people volunteer for wikileaks directly. About another 100 work indirectly through those 5 media outlets.

So Wikileaks is a very very big collaboration of Hackers, Journalists and Activists.
The thought that this is all just one Australian with a laptop, is very very laughable!

Take notes Ash! If you ever want to get a free energy design out there - this is how you do it - to avoid disappearing!

Red

[RedRightHand]

There is more to the 9-11 story than the public knows. Find a military member that was deployed to Saudi Arabia weeks before 9-11 happened, in August to be exact.

Ask them what happened over there and what Saudi Arabia did to our military.

If you can't find anyone that was there then, find someone who was deployed to Saudi AFTER 9-11 and ask them what Saudi Arabia gave them/forced them to get??

Some still have it in their back pockets....it's a piece to why 9-11 happened.

I love all your posts, so mysterious, yet so certain, you can't help believe you with the 'Deep Throat' aspect.

I did a quick search, did not see anything, could you maybe give us a keyword or two?

Or maybe spill the beans with another anonymous account?

You sound very very knowledgeable, maybe you could be our whistle-blower?

Red

[Aaron]

Saudi

There is more to the 9-11 story than the public knows. Find a military member that was deployed to Saudi Arabia weeks before 9-11 happened, in August to be exact.

Ask them what happened over there and what Saudi Arabia did to our military.

If you can't find anyone that was there then, find someone who was deployed to Saudi AFTER 9-11 and ask them what Saudi Arabia gave them/forced them to get??

Some still have it in their back pockets....it's a piece to why 9-11 happened.

I can only find references (so far - limited searching time) that fighters
were deployed to patrol no fly zones by Iraq and they were stationed
in Saudi.

Any references?

[Aaron]

Wikirebels the Documentary

Wikirebels the Documentary

WikiRebels – The Documentary | SVT Play

Youtube version - better playing:
YouTube - WikiRebels: The Documentary | WikiLeaks & Julian Assange

[Aaron]

take the polls

Please take these 2 polls:

http://www.energeticforum.com/genera...-poll-1-a.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/genera...-poll-2-a.html - if you have suggestions for other topics in that poll, post in
those threads.

[uusedman]

I would also rather that Wiki had more secure people with ALL access to the info not just Julian , one guy is a loose end, if he decides not to publish it etc.

@ uusedman do you have any ideas how you would police Wiki leaks from what you said? Just interested to hear if you or any one here had any ideas HOW THEY WOULD DO IT DIFFERENT? We have some great minds here that's all.

Ash

What wikileaks is doing now and they way they been conducting themselves is incredible. Just the fact securing the whistle blower and publishing the cables/war diaries/etc without fail is also incredible. THAT IS VERY WEIRD!

However, we need to steadfast and question motives of organization that say they want to help us. Without doubt there is good energies out there trying to spread the good, however, there is a vice-versa to this statement, intentionally.

Having to go through a vasectomy and endoscopy every time I fly because of my Muslim name is tedious and unjustified. 9/11 caused a major event in the world and effected Muslims and non-Muslims more than what people think. I refused to accept the idea that Muslim perpetrated the horrific events of 9/11. Islam is about harmony and peace to those who are not aware. After Julian Assange's statement that 9/11 conspiracy annoys him which saddens me and drives me to question his motives.

Peace and love

[RedRightHand]

After Julian Assange's statement that 9/11 conspiracy annoys him which saddens me and drives me to question his motives.

It's probably just a misquote. Or he had cut a thought short, because he was scared.
Think about it, if you knew the REAL REAL REAL story behind 911, as Assange clearly does - wouldn't all the 'other' crap that is lumped with 911 Truth piss you off? Makes perfect sense to me!

Also, as with many people these days, they don't comment on 911 truth, because as soon as they do - they loose half their audience, even though they are talking about something that has nothing to do with 911.

Red

[crackahcrackah]

Hi All,

Thanks for your comments, they have been very constructive... except crackah..

Of course, because I'm not moving in the direction you want every one to move. Too bad for the pied piper.

CrackaCrackah,

Firstly, try to spend some time thinking before you post to this thread.

This is relevant how?

You say I am deceiving everyone and wasting their time?
I am not making anyone read this thread, so please don't let me waste any more of your time. Simple! Don't read this thread anymore! Goodbye!

No one claimed you are forcing any one to read this thread, the issue is that the thread is encouraging a consensus in attitudes on a topic which isn't even highly relevant to energy research (where are the energy suppression leaks from wikileaks? Maybe it would be relevant then...). If the promotion of a consensus in attitudes is not pointed out by some one who perceives it to be the function of the thread, then how will those who do not perceive it come to see it?

Secondly,
I would like to inform you there is a place outside of the USA called the world, it's a lot different from the USA - I don't think you would recognize it!

Upon what evidence do you assume that I am engaging in group think associated with those who waive around flags for a given corporate structure? Or are you just treating my unwillingness to consent to the attitude which you are promoting in a negative fashion in an effort to shame me, and others like me, into line?

Wikileaks is well praised around the world as a source, only in USA is it only known by the debate against it. Time to wake up my friend, the rest of the world sees things a lot differently to the USA. (Aaron... Not all USA ppl r bad)

You're actually very mistaken on this issue. I know people in the lands of England, Switzerland, Australia, Ireland, and else where who ask the Cui Bono question with regards to the functions that wikileaks is serving.

Transcript: TIME Interview with WikiLeaks' Julian Assange - TIME

Surely this beacon of truth and honesty knows better than to treat a politician, especially Netanyahu, as some one who is honest and transparent? This is the same Netanyahu who is directly tied up in real estate scams with his son, which can be researched at will by any one interested. This same beacon of truth and honesty would like people to believe that 9/11 occurred as the jewish owned media presented it to us. I fail to see this same beacon of truth bringing to the masses the details of the Mossad agents who were caught dancing on their van roof top, dressed up like arabs, filming themselves. I don't see him bringing to the public the facts known by New Jersey police, which can be seen on youtube, that other Mossad agents were caught with 2000lbs of explosive materials in a van headed for one of the New York/ New Jersey suspended bridges. Where is his organization talking about the 2 Mossad agents who fled from a van, with depictions of airplanes flying into new york on the side of the van, only to have the van blow up a few moments later? The scanner audio is up on youtube for any one to hear. Where are the details from his organization telling the public that all of their phone calls are routed through Israel so that they can be spied on? Where are these details??? I'm not supposed to ask those questions though, am I?

Most people do already know the truth, and the information wikileaks is providing has been provided to other media outlets. The difference with Wikileaks is they actually publish the material, everyone else who has tried, has failed to do so. Two million people in the USA have security clearances to see this information anytime they like. There are lots and lots of whistle-blowers, what there hasn't been recently, is a media organization that would print whistle-blower material.

This is entirely false. I know what I know from digging deep into various history books, and articles that people can access online. We do not need whistle blowers or news outlets to find out factual information about reality. In fact, knowledge is equated with power, and those who control the flow of knowledge can manipulate the attitudes and behaviors of those who trust the information, with out asking questions. You are making appeals to authority, which is a PROPAGANDA technique. Security clearances ARE NOT NEEDED to figure out what is going on, what the power structures are, and who is controlling them. And I have no problem saying this, because a few of you are behaving as TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE are something that can only be found with this wikileaks group. Those of us who have been studying these issues understand that as certain sources of controlled information lose their following, due to consistent lying, new sources of controlled information must be put forth for the masses to be kept within a specific mental framework.

Your reply to Noises was to say the least, a little disturbing...

You don't believe in the Human Rights Declaration?
I hope you spend a night in a Thailand prison, like I have, only then will you realize how important this document is and how YOU would not be alive without it!

You are behaving precisely as I would predict a propagandist to behave. Let's make this real simple, why don't you cut and paste where I make declarations of my own beliefs regarding other humans? The last I checked, pieces of paper haven't prevented people from getting murdered, lied to, thieved from, raped, and brutalized.

To clarify, I would not be alive, if I did not have food, water, shelter. Any thing else is an issue of dealing with nature. Sharks aren't going to care about some piece of paper. Politicians aren't going to care about a piece of paper. Murderers don't care about a piece of paper. For these latter two, I've got guns and my wits. But I'm pretty SURE that if I waived around a piece of paper and screamed bloody murder about "my rights", these latter two wouldn't listen. Now if they were looking down the barrel of my M1 garand, I'm absolutely certain they would listen to me and leave me alone, at least until they think they can change circumstances in order to do what ever they had planned for me.

You call yourself a intelligent and well read individual - if you do not agree with Human Rights you are neither of these things.

This is ad hominem. Quite simply, I like to think "Do unto others". But the fact of the matter is, just because I think that, it does not mean some one else actually will, or will behave according to it. So called "Human Rights" are used to justify stealing from one productive class to give to another nonproductive class. Totalitarian socialism in action, eh "red"?

Where is your thread to support the stopping of tortured Cubans? The rest of the world reports about it everyday, but we can't make USA stop, USA has to stop itself. Some of us believe wikileaks might be able to make the USA wake up and stop it's out of control government!

This is a forum about energy. Which is why I pointed out this topic has nothing to do with the forum. Where are the wikileaks about energy that would make this thread RELEVANT? The last I checked it's the mercenaries who work for the corporation known as the USA running Guantanamo. Maybe you should have a talk with them? I've never held any one hostage, kidnapped them, or aided, and don't claim I pay taxes for it, because I DON'T. The USA corporate government isn't out of control. It's just doing what the jewish interests want it to do. Look at what happened after the Bolshevik revolution. The same kind of nonsense you're seeing here now. But that would require digging deep and studying history. AIPAC runs the USA foreign policy. You want the foreign policy to change, deal with THEM.

Incitement to Murder is a serious offense, it is not propaganda.
These people should have a day in court, call your lawyer, start helping!

Yes, it is propaganda. It is recorded on video and audio, and repeated ad naseum to the brainwashed public. That is the nature of propaganda. They can deal with what ever subject matter they want. Are we forgetting how the dual citizen israeli's were screaming bloody murder about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, and how they used pavlovian attitude conditioning to pair the words "9/11", "bin laden", "al cia-da" and "saddam Hussein", and "Iraq". That's all that's happening again. It's the same organizations, same group of business owners. Any one who isn't getting this is being intellectually dishonest or not researching with the TRUTH as a goal. The so called court system is also comprised of private corporations. There too many details to even begin to describe the fraud that's going on there. But people ought to go to D&B - The World's Leading Source of Business Information and plug in their local municipality names in the search bar to see that they ARE CORPORATIONS. They are engaging in fraud.

Take a day or two, watch some international news, read a few international articles with an OPEN MIND - If after this you are still convinced wikileaks is evil and needs to be stopped. State your reasons clearly and logically with supporting references and we can talk, no more dribble!

Why on earth would I seek the truth through heavily controlled media sources? My point about wikileaks is that it is in all likelihood an Israeli propaganda mechanism at this point. The main guy who got arrested (to bolster his image and make wikileaks look legit?) holds to the government line on 9/11. Clearly, he either has no clue what he's talking about, or he's a pied piper being put before the stupid masses who have gotten sick of FOX, CNN, MSNBC, et al.

You're not going to sway my attitude as I independently research these issues every day, for the past several years, and my own professional training is in psychology and behavior analysis.

TRUTH can NEVER be monopolized by ANYONE. Not me, not wikileaks, not some politician, not you, NO ONE.

[crackahcrackah]

A few good reads...

Ron Paul Defends WikiLeaks On House Floor | Ron Paul Speech on Julian Assange | Video | Mediaite

Ron Paul is a Mason. His allegiance is to the Masonic order first and foremost. And he is directly tied in with the judaics running the country. Freemasonry is based on jewish kabbalah.

The masses need their pied pipers....