Wikileaks: Here to Save Democracy!

[crackahcrackah]

History is really quite different from what we have been told.

But who dares to research it? Almost nobody.

I won't say anymore about this topic cause most people get mad at the sole mention but the information is out there (jewish historian David Cole, etc).

You're the most well read poster on this thread that I can spot. Thank you for not being scared to say the truth and to literally raise some of the biggest issues of propaganda (once you realize who the string pullers are and read their own common laws, as stated in the Talmud, the rest is easy). If they were all like David Cole this thread wouldn't even exist...Keep reading. The lies and deception are constant and literally spill over into just about every aspect of our lives.

Warm regards

[bugler]

crackahcrackah thanks for your support.

Just read this: "In the world of politics, sadly, things are never as innocent as they appear. According to new revelations, Assange had allegedly struck a deal with Israel before the recent 'cable gate', which may explain why the leaks “were good for Israel,” as the Israeli prime minister put it".

Whole article here: WikiLeaks 'struck a deal with Israel' over diplomatic cables leaks : Indybay

In my view there is no doubt that wikileaks is just another propaganda tool.

[RedRightHand]

Woohoo!

Dear All,

Thanks for all your input, it's a fascinating situation - I think we can all agree.
Free Speech vs. Secrecy; People vs. Government

Aaron I am glad we have found something we can agree on! Your analysis is well educated and logical. My favorite quote is this:

What Julian Assange is doing is completely in the spirit of the American
Founding Fathers.

Followed of course, by my favorite speech of all time!
I was just saying today, that it's like the world just hit the 'pause' button after that JFK speech, now 50 years later, with wikileaks, we have just hit 'play' and the saga continues. What happens over the next few years will define the rest of our lives and those to come. Basically if wikileaks is shutdown - JFK's dream dies yet again.

Any person calling for Julian Assange's assassination is basically saying I would of killed JFK. Think about it!


Seth,
You said this:
"Would Julian be so kind as to offer Bradley the services of Rothschilds lawyer?"
Wikileaks and it's many supporters have a team of over 10 lawyers working to get Bradley his basic human rights. Unfortunately, been a US citizen he basically has no rights to a lawyer, wikileaks is doing everything they can but, there is very little anyone can do when the US detains someone - as the world has found out over the past few years. Google Rendition!

Buglar,
You are attacking Julian based on he "ALLEGEDLY" made a 'deal' with Israel. Think about it, who do you take down last? The people who control the media - because you want them to help you take down everyone else.
Very Simple, Very Smart - Don't take Julian for a fool.

I think if anyone disagrees with Wikileaks, they just need to read a little deeper, spend a day or more, it's amazing stuff. Once you fully understand what is going on here you will realize how BIG this really is.

If wikileaks fails, free speech fails. PERIOD!
JFK will turn over in his grave, and we silently let the NWO continue.
Media will go back to dead celebrities.

Bradley, Assange are political prisoners! Release Them!

Also,
Did you see Kevin Rudd (Australian ex PM now Foreign Minister) saying today that the USA is responsible for the leaks, therefore Assange is innocent. The leaks came from the USA therefore the world cries should be aimed at USA.

A recent poll, 90% of Australians approve of wikileaks.
This was the first politician to agree!

Wikileaks should be based in Australia and we should welcome Julian and his team back home. This is the AUSTRALIAN people's view, and is what should be happening. Do our politicians work for the USA or AUSTRALIA?


Red

[seth]

1. You can contact the Julian Assange defense page yourself and ask
if they will provide legal services to Bradley.

2. Julian's life is in danger and has quite a risk.

3. You're waiting for someone to bring it to you? Why don't you do
what I did - go spend hours all by yourself pouring through the data and
cables and make up your own mind. There is not one person in the world
who could have read everything by now.

These are just my opinions but you responded to my post. Someone
else may have something else to say.

1. I think its Julians responsibility to help Bradley.
2. I doubt it. He is protected by Rothschilds lawyer. Even the prince of darkness couldnt get to him.
3. You arent the only person who devotes some free time to reading. I can assure you I have read some of the stories, and came to the conclusion that none of the stories were interesting (except Bradleys). E.g The US spies on the UN (really!!??!), Ahmadinnejad is hated in his region (you dont say!), Putin runs his country like a mafia (no sh*t! what government isnt a mafia?).

Perhaps i've missed some of the juicy bits and you could enlighten me?

[bugler]

Buglar,
You are attacking Julian based on he "ALLEGEDLY" made a 'deal' with Israel. Think about it, who do you take down last? The people who control the media - because you want them to help you take down everyone else.
Very Simple, Very Smart - Don't take Julian for a fool.

I hope you are right. Let's wait for the leaked Israeli documents.

But as I said I won't settle for nothing less than 911 was a mossad op as so many people in high positions think including all the high rank army officers.

[uusedman]

@RedRightHand

Are you from Austrailia? You seem to be a person who works around reporters and may be a reporter, am I right?

[Cloxxki]

For someone like Assange to have an "agenda" regarding the secret info he publishes, he would first require full knowlegde of all secrets yet to be uncovered. At best, he could target specific topics to suit his agenda. But this only works if it ends up being there, and for him to find it.
The truth does not discriminate. It may not suit or support anyone's agenda or beliefs.

Battle Plan
Is a great compact website that seems to be right on the mark. Some explanations, such as chemtrails just being a flare to get attention away from what's happening on the groun, make lots of sense. Chemtrails themselves, although I see them, never made great sense to me. The motives far-fetched, and the exceution multifolds more difficult to keep a secret than, say, perpetrating 9-11.
Stiking is the comparison with Italian maffia. Even Italians are OK with the maffia being exposed, and outright hated by foreigners. Point at an Israeli citizen, and you're an Anne Frank killer. Anne is being done the greatest disservice. Supposedly her post-mortum foundation is having hard times. The tree she looked out on from her window, and wrote about in her excellent diary, was in the news for weeks, being moved by city hall, ill, or whatever. It had to be saved. Because the holocaust was so bad, and Anne so special. Yes, true on both accounts, but it's historical truths used to cover curent day's lies.
The Bush family being less evil that portraited also makes sense. Like the USS Liberty was forcedly sacrificed to settle some scores, or show who's really boss, perhaps Kennedy's assassination, and now 9-11, could mean that the Bushes were just "usually" evil and had the Israeli thing inherited from they predecessors.

In 1984, a Dutch pop act "the charity" sang, contemplating where to emigrate to: "America? But that country doesn't actually exist.". It struck me as powerful when I was a boy, and gets more and more meanings as time deposits facts and impressions. First it was Disney, now it's just riddles, black fog and economical enslavement.

[ashtweth]

Thanks for that link, THE CONCEPT OF WIKI LEAKS IS STILL SOUND. I say you should operate it by trustee's and be non profit ,well trusted,trustee's|

Ash

[dragon]

Seems to be the perfect excuse to push through net neutrality so they can control the media. So let's recap... Take over the financial sector, control health care, take over Industry, Control food, Over load the military - yep the media is next. Sounds like a score sheet right out of Venezuela doesn't it...
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[seth]

Thanks for that link, THE CONCEPT OF WIKI LEAKS IS STILL SOUND. I say you should operate it by trustee's and be non profit ,well trusted,trustee's|

Ash

This just in from the ministry of information:

BBC News - Wikileaks: North Korea 'helps Burma with nuclear sites'

War is peace.

[nilrehob]

OpenLeaks

And now we have OpenLeaks:
ā€¯A new WikiLeaksā€¯ revolts against Assange - DN.se

/Hob

[RedRightHand]

And now we have OpenLeaks:
ā€¯A new WikiLeaksā€¯ revolts against Assange - DN.se
/Hob

Thanks Nilrehob,

These guys are funny! I do agree the more wikileaks types out there the better, but these guys obviously don't like bloggers or Joe public.

Read the fine print, they will not publish publicly - they will only publish to mainstream media, bloggers will never see any of it! Also look at the legalities, the ONLY reason mainstream media can print Wikileaks stuff is because it is PUBLIC and in the public domain.
Mainstream media would need a set of balls before 'Openleaks' ever worked, leaks will just be censored by the media, you would only hear about 'leaked' celebrity dribble!

Uusedman,
I am Australian, please read the first post in this thread (it's not that far back ).
I have a friend who is a news cameraman, I regularly go to his staff parties etc. So I meet all these reporters, TV personalities when their guards are down, hanging out with their coworkers. Needless to say the complete idiots become apparent within 10 minutes, and you discover the REAL people on TV, hang out with them, get drunk and find out what they really think.


Dragon,
Your argument is sincere but your logic is a little flawed.
If the internet is censored because of wikileaks, this is not evidence that wikileaks was created to ban the internet.
Furthermore, the internet is already filtered in most countries, we are already loosing that battle. Without an organization like wikileaks, we can never know the list of banned sites, and know what they are filtering!


I have not posted this thread in haste, I have spent many many months thinking about all the future possibilities. I have come to the conclusion, that if we want our world to be the one described by JFK, free and independent, then a wikileaks type (publish to public) organization has to exist.
Without someone watching for corruption, corruption will always per vale. Without accountability, lying can become a career.
All you need for evil to exist, is good men to do nothing!

Also, I think we all need to remember, that very very little of the leaks have actually been published. The leaks will not come out in the 'order' you want, they will come out starting with the least controversial then slowly progress to the world changing stuff. Nothing has been released above 'SECRET' so far, 'TOP SECRET' will take a lot longer. This is necessity, and the only way you could get this material out. Sit back folks and enjoy the ride!


Red

[bugler]

Without someone watching for corruption, corruption will always per vale. Without accountability, lying can become a career.
All you need for evil to exist, is good men to do nothing!

I really don't understand what makes you think that before wikileaks nobody was watching for corruption and somehow wikileaks came and now we are improving our society.

Before wikileaks we already knew where corruption is. We knew about the jewish criminal network. We knew that 911 was a mossad operation, that the federal reserve is the biggest scam in history, that the financial system is another scam, that US government is formed by dual citizen israeli,america with their loyalty towards Israel, that the media is jewish owned, etc, etc.

Wikileaks still has to leak something of real value cause so far it has just been diplomats and politicians saying bad words about other leaders AND JEWISH PROPAGANDA LIKE ARABS WANT TO BOMB IRAN. We already knew our politicians are morons. We don't need wikileaks for that.

I know, I know. Wikileaks will expose Israeli government quite soon. Let's see the "damage" they do with the near to come leaks.

[RedRightHand]

I really don't understand what makes you think that before wikileaks nobody was watching for corruption and somehow wikileaks came and now we are improving our society.

Here is the key, although a small group of us can 'talk' about it, the majority of the world populous won't give anything credit unless they have evidence. So although we have all 'worked it out', everyone else is waiting for evidence, evidence wikileaks is SLOWLY providing. Normal people need evidence to ACT, now they have their evidence...

Before wikileaks we already knew where corruption is. We knew about the jewish criminal network. We knew that 911 was a mossad operation, that the federal reserve is the biggest scam in history, that the financial system is another scam, that US government is formed by dual citizen israeli,america with their loyalty towards Israel, that the media is jewish owned, etc, etc.

Who's 'WE'? You and your friends? Get Real! Unless you change 70% of the public opinion, no CHANGE will ever happen. Wikileaks can and is doing that. You can talk all day, but when you bring evidence to the table, YOU have the power!

Wikileaks still has to leak something of real value cause so far it has just been diplomats and politicians saying bad words about other leaders AND JEWISH PROPAGANDA LIKE ARABS WANT TO BOMB IRAN. We already knew our politicians are morons. We don't need wikileaks for that.

So you want to shut down wikileaks because you already know about the leaks? NEWSFLASH! Most reporters in the world had ALL THESE CABLES, they just were too scared to print them! You want to shut down the organization that is doing the job of 'spreading the truth' that YOU and media could not do? Sorry I don't see your logic.

I also don't see your logic in 'Arabs want to bomb Iran conspiracy - a quick history lesson will show you Arabs have ALWAYS wanted to attack IRAN / PERSIA.

Where are you getting this from? Have you been watching FOX NEWS?

Red

[bugler]

So you want to shut down wikileaks because you already know about the leaks? NEWSFLASH! Most reporters in the world had ALL THESE CABLES, they just were too scared to print them! You want to shut down the organization that is doing the job of 'spreading the truth' that YOU and media could not do? Sorry I don't see your logic.

I also don't see your logic in 'Arabs want to bomb Iran conspiracy - a quick history lesson will show you Arabs have ALWAYS wanted to attack IRAN / PERSIA.

Where are you getting this from? Have you been watching FOX NEWS?

Red

æI want to shud down wikileaks? Where did I say that? I believe in freedom of speech.

Let's wait for the isareli leaks and the impact on people who just trust the media.

I don't watch tv or read newspapers (just a quick glance at an online newspapers to see what their owners want us to think about and discuss and the important topics they ommit).