Air Fuel Injector Timing

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[sebosfato]

what?????????

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post 3

Part 1

Using a normal automobile as the basis for harnessing compressed air
into a useable form, the dual solenoid array method of supplying one
or more cylinders with 140lbs or more from a regulated supply tank to
initiate the power stroke while at the same time signaling its peer
to activate and release the compression on another is a common sense
solution to our energy and pollution woes.

[WeThePeople]

How about the concept of considering
supplying a dedicated pressure supply,
but harvesting the exaust as a differential.

If the load requires more,
you loose more.

If the load requires less,
you maintain a regulated
pressure differential.

the "Gas" pedal is a regulated
differential pressure valve.

The way this would need to be applied,
is to have two pressure tanks.

One discharging to the other,
then swapping to the next lower
pressure value enviroment.

This may not hit you at first,
but dumping your 140#'s
to atmospheric pressure
seems wasteful by design.

Dump it to a second tank until 100#'s,
then continue to re-use the pressure differential
to the first tank by venting it to become
the actual pressure differential again.

Swapping between the tanks
results in more work done.

Venting to atmospheric pressure
is a one time loss

The ney-sayer's will insist
the work done will be less,
but in fact they are way off.

remember, your dumping 140#'s
to 15#'s and wasting the diff.

[sebosfato]

Helo Geotron,

Yes i agree with you, and i have created few time ago a thread talking about this. Basically i believe is possible to use ICE's to extract energy from the air. Being the air irradiated by the sun every day it is like a world wide distributed solar panel. When you compress the air is like concentrating heat by compressing the air, but as far as you compress the air you create a higher temperature, and we all know that we just need a temperature gradient to transfer heat.


In the ionizationx forum i created a thread, and also here, check the threads i created.

Think about this, If you have a tank at 15 bar of pressure at 25°, and than you heat the air inside of it up to 100° you raised the temperature 4 times, so the pressure inside of the tank will be 60 bar, however you know that if you keep adding bars on the tank by conventional means, every bar you add you need more energy per bar of pressure. So what i'm saying is that if you raise the temperature 4 times you've raised the stored energy by 16 times. If with a tank of 24 cubic meters at 15 bar you can run 150km, if the tank have 16 times of the initial energy you could run for at least 2400km with one charge or more, actually up to 3000km.

If you use regenerative breaking (making the break to drive a pump that recharge the tank) and you have a well designed light car you would need a much smaller tank to run your car for very long distances. Actually it could run indefinitely if the needed means are provided.

Br
Fabio

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We the people,

If i understood well, what you mean is not very useful in my opinion. Cause if you need to charge another tank from the initial pressure, and it is the same size of the first tank when it has half the pressure you made half of the energy disappear. By the theory that holds for inductors, capacitors, and mechanics, and quantum mechanics. Em=m*c^2 or Ee=1/2*V^2*C or El=1/2*I^2*L or Ek=1/2*mass*speed squared, or even Eg= 1/2*h^2*G*m Hope you see my point...

And when the pressure will be distributed between the two tanks you can't use the energy anymore.

Well if i'm wrong, you could explain your point a little better for us so we can understand.

Thanks

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post 7

The idea of compressed air as fuel relies on the thermal properties
of nature as described long ago in various talks on the subject regarding
the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. The phenomenon known as Maxwell's Demon,
used in the R-Hilsch vortex tube device will separate compressed air into
its component parts by capturing out the cool air by its tendency to
spin or whirl in a different way.

The concept of recycling the exhaust would then involve increasing its thermal
energy level.

Envision a tube column containing heated air compressed to 25lbs in the
midst of a tank of cooler air. It is less concentrated - a lower pressure
than is found in the tank surrounding it although with a much higher energy
level, is free to push aside the lower temperature gas particles.

[sebosfato]

The idea of compressed air as fuel relies on the thermal properties
of nature as described long ago in various talks on the subject regarding
the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. The phenomenon known as Maxwell's Demon,
used in the R-Hilsch vortex tube device will separate compressed air into
its component parts by capturing out the cool air by its tendency to
spin or whirl in a different way.

The concept of recycling the exhaust would then involve increasing its thermal
energy level.

Envision a tube column containing heated air compressed to 25lbs in the
midst of a tank of cooler air. It is less concentrated - a lower pressure
than is found in the tank surrounding it although with a much higher energy
level, is free to push aside the lower temperature gas particles.

I didn't understood what you mean. Could you please explain?

[Guest]

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May I direct your attention to Patent 2,030,759 figure 6, issued in
February of 1936 to Bob Neal.

The native timing of spark plug signals must be sent through some
type of stepdown circuit in order to be useable by the high pressure
solenoid valves, and will hopefully be one of the matters we will be
able to solve in this discussion - How to adapt the HV spark signals.