Car parts converted into a power generator?

[ausev]

Hi All,

I have a question and a challenge for you all that I think could generate some useful discussion about alternative methods of generating electricity.

How could you use the parts that exist in a typical motor car to generate electricity?

Think about it.

You basically have a working tesla coil sitting in there called an ignition coil. It converts a 12v pulse generates something like 30,0000 to 40,000 volts each time it activates just in order to distribute it through the distributor cap to create the tiny sparks at the spark plugs that then ignite a combustable fuel.

The rest of the car is then geared to use that combustion to generate mechanical work and drive us around.

You also have an alternator in there that converts that mechanical energy into around 13 to 14 volts just to charge the 12v accessory battery.

Generating that much energy just to ignite a fuel to do some mechanical work seems like a bit of waste of energy if you really think about it.

We already know that a car is full of good gear to create electricity. Coils, Relays, condensers, capacitors, wiring harnesses, etc.

So let us now assume we replace all the internal combustion engine (ICE) parts of the car with an electric motor, a motor controller and other electrical parts to make the car a pure electric vehicle.

Ok so now we have our test mule sitting there without an energy source.

What are we going to use to power this electric vehicle?

Conventional wisdom suggests putting a couple of battery banks in there and running it that way. That would work woudnt it? Well yes but there are drawbacks:

- lack of range you could maybe get 80 to 100 kilometers at best;
- life of the batteries themselves is limited to at best 2000 cycles with Lithium and 600-700 cycles with Lead;
- we have to charge it up every night for 6-8 hours;

So now think about your habits with your current car.

You fill it up once a week or fortnight. You get in it and go. You occasionally service it. You dont wait for it to charge up overnight and you dont have to replace around $2000 - $6000 worth of batteries every other year.

So what else could we do?

Tesla already did it. He provided a new power source for the vehicle.
His Pierce Arrow used a power source that was drawn from the atmosphere using the standing waves he said are all around us. Unfortunately that technology has now been lost to us so we cant use that.

So we will all have to come up with something else.

So here are the rules:
- it has to be primarily solid state not mechanical;
- it needs to produce no potentially harmful, flamable or toxic gases;
- it needs to be environmentally friendly;
- it needs to be quiet less than 80 decibels;
- it needs to make use of the electronic components already in the car;
- you can augment the cars electronic components with some other electrical parts that can be readily purchased;
- the resulting car needs to be of equal or better performance to your current car;
- the car needs to be as usable and convenient as your current car;

So how about it, given all you currently know about alternative energy sources and all the electrical and mechanical parts in a motor car what would you make with them all to put back into the car to generate the electricity to power this new electric vehicle of ours?

Regards,

AusEv

[columbus]

New Rolling with the “electric technology” and going to launch 2 new sporty with the hp of 94. And in these one would be “smart ED” & the best thing it’s a eco-friendly car.

[mbrownn]

Hi All,

I have a question and a challenge for you all that I think could generate some useful discussion about alternative methods of generating electricity.

How could you use the parts that exist in a typical motor car to generate electricity?

Think about it.

You basically have a working tesla coil sitting in there called an ignition coil. It converts a 12v pulse generates something like 30,0000 to 40,000 volts each time it activates just in order to distribute it through the distributor cap to create the tiny sparks at the spark plugs that then ignite a combustable fuel.

The rest of the car is then geared to use that combustion to generate mechanical work and drive us around.

You also have an alternator in there that converts that mechanical energy into around 13 to 14 volts just to charge the 12v accessory battery.

Generating that much energy just to ignite a fuel to do some mechanical work seems like a bit of waste of energy if you really think about it.

We already know that a car is full of good gear to create electricity. Coils, Relays, condensers, capacitors, wiring harnesses, etc.

So let us now assume we replace all the internal combustion engine (ICE) parts of the car with an electric motor, a motor controller and other electrical parts to make the car a pure electric vehicle.

Ok so now we have our test mule sitting there without an energy source.

What are we going to use to power this electric vehicle?

Conventional wisdom suggests putting a couple of battery banks in there and running it that way. That would work woudnt it? Well yes but there are drawbacks:

- lack of range you could maybe get 80 to 100 kilometers at best;
- life of the batteries themselves is limited to at best 2000 cycles with Lithium and 600-700 cycles with Lead;
- we have to charge it up every night for 6-8 hours;

So now think about your habits with your current car.

You fill it up once a week or fortnight. You get in it and go. You occasionally service it. You dont wait for it to charge up overnight and you dont have to replace around $2000 - $6000 worth of batteries every other year.

So what else could we do?

Tesla already did it. He provided a new power source for the vehicle.
His Pierce Arrow used a power source that was drawn from the atmosphere using the standing waves he said are all around us. Unfortunately that technology has now been lost to us so we cant use that.

So we will all have to come up with something else.

So here are the rules:
- it has to be primarily solid state not mechanical;
- it needs to produce no potentially harmful, flamable or toxic gases;
- it needs to be environmentally friendly;
- it needs to be quiet less than 80 decibels;
- it needs to make use of the electronic components already in the car;
- you can augment the cars electronic components with some other electrical parts that can be readily purchased;
- the resulting car needs to be of equal or better performance to your current car;
- the car needs to be as usable and convenient as your current car;

So how about it, given all you currently know about alternative energy sources and all the electrical and mechanical parts in a motor car what would you make with them all to put back into the car to generate the electricity to power this new electric vehicle of ours?

Regards,

AusEv

Rechargeable cars are a bit of a deception, what do we charge them with? Nuclear power? A few people have worked on regenerative circuits to recover energy in them but but they are not really there yet.

Yes every petrol engine has an overunity device on it (ignition coil) but nobody thinks about that. You should google the lockridge device, many of us are working on reproducing this.

[StweenyA]

Rechargeable cars are a bit of a deception, what do we charge them with? Nuclear power? A few people have worked on regenerative circuits to recover energy in them but but they are not really there yet.

Yes every petrol engine has an overunity device on it (ignition coil) but nobody thinks about that. You should google the lockridge device, many of us are working on reproducing this.

Please excuse my ignorance, but how exactly is it overunity? And please don't tell me to google the lockridge device, I have been down that path already, yet here I am.

[Slovenia]

Nice Thoughts!!

ausev,

Thanks for taking the time to share with us.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[mbrownn]

Please excuse my ignorance, but how exactly is it overunity? And please don't tell me to google the lockridge device, I have been down that path already, yet here I am.

On the ignition coil, I believe it to be an overunity device as it is a form of Tesla coil, the amount of output is anomalous in terms of what it does when compared to just volts and amps. If we generate a similar voltage at the amps of a Tesla coil and try to ignite fuel with it under pressure, we find that there is only just enough energy to generate the arc and heat required to do so. Because of this the ignition of the fuel would be unreliable under the varied conditions in an engine, yet the ignition coil does it with almost perfect reliability. For this reason, I believe that there is more energy in the spark than we can measure, this energy cannot be from the supply as the electrical losses are too great. So for this spark to have the energy required It must be getting it from somewhere.

On the Lockridge device. This is a device, reportedly out of second world war Germany, that could run itself and power lights or charge a battery. This sounds too good to be true and there is very little information out there on it to prove it but with experiments using an Imhotep/Bedini fan I was able to prove the concept of overunity. If you haven't already, I recomend that you build and test one to prove it for yourself. Now I devote much of my time on reserching and trying to replicate overunity devices including the Lockridge device.

If we have an electric motor that is 100w and is 70% efficient its mechanical output will be 70 watts. With that output, using a generator, we could produce maybe 50w. Nothing new there but we also know it is possible to recover energy from a pulsed coil and in excess of 50%. Using a Bedini circuit it is relatively easy to recover 90%. Motors contain coils so we can recover energy from them and this too has been proven. So what we have to do is recover 50% of the energy from the motor and add the generated power, then feed it back to the source and we have a self running motor. All possible but there is no proof that it has been done. If we can recover more than 50% of the power we then have a self running motor/generator and this is the goal. None of this breaks any laws of physics and is proven, only standard electrical theory does not allow for this and that's why it is a theory.

Good sources of information on the Lockridge device are the series Energy from the Vacuum series (part 14 is specifically the Lockridge device but to understand it is possible you need to understand the rest of the series) and peter Linemann's electric motor secrets part 1 and 2.

Where is this energy coming from? Something anomalous is happening in the coil.

If we put a voltage across a coil, current flows but the fact that we can put a capacitor in series on the return and charge it up tells you that this energy has not been consumed in the coil. Most of this energy comes out of the coil and is shorted out on the source and converted to heat. What is consumed, by some means, powers a motor. The same thing happens when we pulse a coil but there is a second output known commonly as flyback that cost nothing more to produce than running the motor. If we collect this and add it to what has passed through the coil we find we have more energy than we put in when we use high frequency.

When an electron enters into a wire we create a negatively charged pole. By the Laws of attraction, anything positively charged will be attracted and anything negative will be repelled. When that electron leaves, the wire is for a moment, charged positively by what has been attracted and so the reverse law of attraction happens. It has been proven by experiment that some of this positive charge can be used to charge batteries and capacitors but yet little or no current flows. This is a second source of energy to be found in a pulsed coil. This must not be mistaken for the inductive kickback caused by the magnetic field collapse. Inductive kickback cannot be of a higher potential (voltage) than the power that created it. The higher voltage measured on inductive kickback is actually this second input. It is only momentary spike whereas the inductive kickback lasts a much longer period of time and has current. By creating very short pulses it has been found that these spikes have at least 97% of the energy that charged the coil when charging batteries. If the voltage of the charging battery is higher than the voltage pulsed into the coil, it cannot be the inductive kickback that is charging the battery.

If we now add up all the power in the circuit we see something very important has happened. Assuming very low coil resistance wire is used in a coil we can have an input of 1 watt and close to 1 watt output to charge a capacitor in series in the return wire. We have an output of almost 1 watt inductive kickback plus a spike which can put almost 1 watt of charge in a battery, plus magnetic energy that can power a motor. 1 input = 4 outputs of near equal magnitudes.

All this is in many areas of physics and is accepted but not included in standard electrical theory.

Now we can theories and take this a step further. When we put an electron into a wire, we get a separation of charges outside of the wire; we have demonstrated that the positive can be collected. It must be that the negative is there too for us to collect and many have demonstrated devices that claim to do just that.

This input of charge from the environment does not need any conductor or media, it is present in a vacuum and because of this, it must be radiant energy.

I should write a book on this

[Iotayodi]

This input of charge from the environment does not need any conductor or media

I see this as an existing potential charge to be delivered to a conductor. Sort of like opening a valve on a water tower feeding a hose. The water tower being the aether. If the universes aether is really the major charge or radiant energy then there is no over unity. The conductor and the input device can only handle so much pressure/current due to resistance/impedance in a given amount of time. It seems with cold electricity that more current can be carried on a certain conductor size relative to standard "hot" electricity.
One thing Ive noticed with Tesla is that he used high voltage/pressure with varying frequencies. The impedance factors sure get complicated.

[mbrownn]

I see this as an existing potential charge to be delivered to a conductor. Sort of like opening a valve on a water tower feeding a hose. The water tower being the aether. If the universes aether is really the major charge or radiant energy then there is no over unity. The conductor and the input device can only handle so much pressure/current due to resistance/impedance in a given amount of time. It seems with cold electricity that more current can be carried on a certain conductor size relative to standard "hot" electricity.
One thing Ive noticed with Tesla is that he used high voltage/pressure with varying frequencies. The impedance factors sure get complicated.

I think the aether is a sea of both positive and negative charges in equilibrium, the negative charges are the cold electricity you speak of. A wire with an electron creates a dipole and is then able to separate the charges, some of that charge can be collected with a Bedini circuit. The gray tube demonstrates that we can collect it as a ripple as it propagates outward, a possible confirmation of that aetheric sea.

Nothing in this breaks any laws of physics, no new energy is created, we have a second source putting energy in to the circuit and that is the environment.

Resistance only allows the charges to escape the wire and return to the environment as does time.

It seams logical that the greater the surface area the more energy we can collect, this also applies to frequency and potential. If we can find the frequency that will set up a ripple so that the waves are in time with the circuit, we should get an increase in quantity of this charge. If we create a standing wave on the collector we will then get a flow and that flow can be controlled by potential or surface area.

In your water scenario, surface area is the size of the valve and potential is the pressure.

I suspect placing multiple collector coils over our pulsed coil we will collect more energy, of course one coil will be able to rob energy from the other but the sum of the coils should be greater than a single coil. I don't know if the expense of the copper will be worth the extra energy gained.

[mbrownn]

Notice in the reply above I did not mention current. This is because little or no current can be measured in the spike and the magnitude of the spike is independent of current.

[chrishillesland]

Hi All,

I have a question and a challenge for you all that I think could generate some useful discussion about alternative methods of generating electricity.

How could you use the parts that exist in a typical motor car to generate electricity?

Think about it.

You basically have a working tesla coil sitting in there called an ignition coil. It converts a 12v pulse generates something like 30,0000 to 40,000 volts each time it activates just in order to distribute it through the distributor cap to create the tiny sparks at the spark plugs that then ignite a combustable fuel.

The rest of the car is then geared to use that combustion to generate mechanical work and drive us around.

You also have an alternator in there that converts that mechanical energy into around 13 to 14 volts just to charge the 12v accessory battery.

Generating that much energy just to ignite a fuel to do some mechanical work seems like a bit of waste of energy if you really think about it.

We already know that a car is full of good gear to create electricity. Coils, Relays, condensers, capacitors, wiring harnesses, etc.

So let us now assume we replace all the internal combustion engine (ICE) parts of the car with an electric motor, a motor controller and other electrical parts to make the car a pure electric vehicle.

Ok so now we have our test mule sitting there without an energy source.

What are we going to use to power this electric vehicle?

Conventional wisdom suggests putting a couple of battery banks in there and running it that way. That would work woudnt it? Well yes but there are drawbacks:

- lack of range you could maybe get 80 to 100 kilometers at best;
- life of the batteries themselves is limited to at best 2000 cycles with Lithium and 600-700 cycles with Lead;
- we have to charge it up every night for 6-8 hours;

So now think about your habits with your current car.

You fill it up once a week or fortnight. You get in it and go. You occasionally service it. You dont wait for it to charge up overnight and you dont have to replace around $2000 - $6000 worth of batteries every other year.

So what else could we do?

Tesla already did it. He provided a new power source for the vehicle.
His Pierce Arrow used a power source that was drawn from the atmosphere using the standing waves he said are all around us. Unfortunately that technology has now been lost to us so we cant use that.

So we will all have to come up with something else.

So here are the rules:
- it has to be primarily solid state not mechanical;
- it needs to produce no potentially harmful, flamable or toxic gases;
- it needs to be environmentally friendly;
- it needs to be quiet less than 80 decibels;
- it needs to make use of the electronic components already in the car;
- you can augment the cars electronic components with some other electrical parts that can be readily purchased;
- the resulting car needs to be of equal or better performance to your current car;
- the car needs to be as usable and convenient as your current car;

So how about it, given all you currently know about alternative energy sources and all the electrical and mechanical parts in a motor car what would you make with them all to put back into the car to generate the electricity to power this new electric vehicle of ours?

Regards,

AusEv

I know this is kindda late thread but im not intending to revive this up. On my own point of view, the electric technology has been engaged in the industry since then and people are aware of it. However, there is a potential that car parts would go on further through converting them to a power box that could be used on several vehicles as well as other electronics. On the other hand, there were varying devices as additionals.

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jcw car parts

[mbrownn]

I know this is kindda late thread but im not intending to revive this up. On my own point of view, the electric technology has been engaged in the industry since then and people are aware of it. However, there is a potential that car parts would go on further through converting them to a power box that could be used on several vehicles as well as other electronics. On the other hand, there were varying devices as additionals.

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jcw car parts

Some car parts are the best engineered small generators at the moment and so could donate useful parts.

[ewizard]

One square centimeter of Quenco should do the trick. Note he mentions powering an electric car on this page:

THEORY - QUENCO(Quantum Energy Convertor)Public Launch 25th Sept 2012

Also see home page: QUENCO(Quantum Energy Convertor)Public Launch 25th Sept 2012 - HOME - release dates in late September. There is a message thread on overunity forum about it with the physicist Philip Hardcastle joining in there. He's been working on this at least 14 years if I recall and yes they will be rewriting some laws of physics from this.

[zapzap]

Quenco?

I did a seach on this forum regarding quenco, if you visit Hardcastle's web page you will find a $10 experiment supporting his theories. You will also now find considerable technical data regarding his invention. I am curious as to why there is no discussion, etc, about this invention and the related matters?

[boguslaw]

Ok, here is the secret which I know is true but I have no ability to construct due to various reasons . This is how to convert car insot Pierce Arrow in very short words : You have to use : car ignition coil, 12V battery , electric motor most probably DC kind , distributor, probably modified and a car body... and a few common parts you find here and there (mostly cable and tubes, maybe iron ,maybe pvc).