How to turn plastic waste into diesel fuel cheaply

[aleksandarrado]

(Simple)Plastic to oil 1.mp4 - YouTube

(Simple)Plastic to oil 2.mp4 - YouTube

[aleksandarrado]

(Simple)Plastic to oil 1.mp4 - YouTube

(Simple)Plastic to oil 3.mp4 - YouTube

[aleksandarrado]

(Simple)Plastic to oil 3.mp4 - YouTube

Watch the videos and do not understand how you like to remove oil

[aleksandarrado]

Watch the videos and do not understand how you like to remove oil

Catalyst direct from

[aleksandarrado]

Catalyst direct from

Here's what can be done catalyst

[dutchdivco]

Plastic Ubiquitous; its everywhere!

Just 'sharing' where I'm coming from; so far, I've been thinking about plastic in terms of 'identifiable' plastic; food or other containers, with the 'recycle' symbol cast in, or buying 'discard' plastic 'scrap' from a manufacturer, who can tell me what kind of plastic it is.
But, recently I had an 'Ion generator/fan', that stopped working, so I took it apart, to see if i could fix it. Couldn't, but having it all apart I realised there was a fairly small amount of it that was comprised of metal, and the vast majority was plastic.
Then, with my 'eyes opened', I began to look around me, and realised plastic is all around me (Duh, huh?!)
Appliances large and small, from portable fans and clothes irons, to washers and refrigerators, (food) dishes,and of coarse many car parts, as well, are PLASTIC.
I know several 'scrappers', who comb thru dumpsters and alleys, and 'scrap' everything they can; they generally are going for the metal, and throw the plastic away.
So, I'm thinking if one were to approach people who regularly do 'scrapping', and give them a barrel, and tell them to throw all the plastic in here, and I'll pay you "X" amount per pound, this COULD be a viable source for raw material.
Could go to multiple people, rather than expending my time/energy 'scrapping', myself; they are already doing it, but, as i said, are currently focusing on the metal, and throwing the plastic away!
Thing is, these plastic products don't have the 'recycle' symbol on them, telling what KIND of plastic they are, so, how to know?
It would be great if there were some kind of test that could be used, even if just as a 'guideline', for detirmining whether a plastic is appropriate for Pyrolysis.Judging by appearence and qualities, there seems to be 3 categories;
Firstly, a hard/brittle kind; if you bend it sharply, it either snaps, or turns white just where you 'fold' it; reminds me of the model cars we used to put together when I was a kid.
A 'tougher', more resilient and 'flexible' plastic; very difficult to 'bend', like truck bed liners and fender liners and bumper covers on cars are made from,
and Thirdly, the 'nylon'; usually white or black, used for making gears and 'control arms' on appliances, etc.
It would be great if we could develop some kind of a 'simple' field test that could be used to classify plastics as to whether they were 'desirable' (for Pyrolysis) or not. Perhaps some chemicals they either do or don't react with;
I'm thinking, (for instance) of the glue we used to use to assemble those model cars, when I was a kid; it 'glued' the plastic parts together, by melting it.
Even if the 'test' was a 2-3 part test; Solution "A" melts it, but solution "B" doesn't, so its 'Good', a different plastic, solution "A" has no effect, but solution "B" melts it. And so then you see how it reacts to solution "C".
Something similar to what the cops use, to 'test' street drugs, is what I'm visualising.
These 'scrappers' I'm thinking of, regularly use magnets, etc. to figure out what kind of metal they have, since they get paid more if they 'sort' it, so they could 'learn' to test, if the $ was there. And, WE could use such a testing system, for detirmining if plastic was appropriate 'feedstock', as well.
Any CHEMISTS out there, who could put there minds and knowledge to this,and see if they can come up with something??Jim

[quintusk]

I have a ''deal'' with a friend: he recycle all the plastics that are entering his house, i come and pick it up; got something like 1kg/week. Offcourse i do the same in my house and i plan to speak to more friends about this, also some bars/restaurants.
You can do the same Dutchdivco.

Computer cases, dells have a lot of panels that are from ABS, cheap no-name computer cases have front made from ABS too. Computer monitors cases for sure, keyboards maybe.

I have here a jacket that has watte on the inside that is made from polyester; the futter is made out polyamid nylon. Old cloth made from plastics, polyester and others...

Other usables: shampoo bottles, milk juggs, combustible tanks from cars, dops from bottles, plastic toys ...

Jetijs have you ever considered glass jars as ''condensers''?

thx!

Later edit:

http://pubs.awma.org/gsearch/journal.../45_11_855.pdf

The higher the temperature, the better, i see 570C...

What about routing the diesel back to pyro chamber for more gasoline?

[mercedes 308]

Member aleksandarrado posted a question about the reflux/catalyst directed to me in my profile. I know that he is more comfortable in his native Macedonian than English. I just want to make sure he understands everything. Beside, the information I did provide to him was already discussed in this thread but maybe hard for non native English speaker to spot. Just trying to help, not hiding any secrets from the group. I apologize if my post offended anyone.

Vtech

I think this is part of the problem. It isn't that people won't read the post, it's that the available translator software isn't up to the job. If english isn't your native language, your already at a disadvantage. It's a testament to all the contributors, that this is read in so many places.

[CRMoore]

Aha! (I was wondering what other language that this might be) mainly I was puzzled/curious (definitely not offended). I do appreciate the effort made by this international community to share & I'm glad I don't have to (even try to) write in another language-might be able to in Spanish but to change alphabets-whew.

[mercedes 308]

Just 'sharing' where I'm coming from; so far, I've been thinking about plastic in terms of 'identifiable' plastic; food or other containers, with the 'recycle' symbol cast in, or buying 'discard' plastic 'scrap' from a manufacturer, who can tell me what kind of plastic it is.
But, recently I had an 'Ion generator/fan', that stopped working, so I took it apart, to see if i could fix it. Couldn't, but having it all apart I realised there was a fairly small amount of it that was comprised of metal, and the vast majority was plastic.
Then, with my 'eyes opened', I began to look around me, and realised plastic is all around me (Duh, huh?!)
Appliances large and small, from portable fans and clothes irons, to washers and refrigerators, (food) dishes,and of coarse many car parts, as well, are PLASTIC.
I know several 'scrappers', who comb thru dumpsters and alleys, and 'scrap' everything they can; they generally are going for the metal, and throw the plastic away.
So, I'm thinking if one were to approach people who regularly do 'scrapping', and give them a barrel, and tell them to throw all the plastic in here, and I'll pay you "X" amount per pound, this COULD be a viable source for raw material.
Could go to multiple people, rather than expending my time/energy 'scrapping', myself; they are already doing it, but, as i said, are currently focusing on the metal, and throwing the plastic away!
Thing is, these plastic products don't have the 'recycle' symbol on them, telling what KIND of plastic they are, so, how to know?
It would be great if there were some kind of test that could be used, even if just as a 'guideline', for detirmining whether a plastic is appropriate for Pyrolysis.Judging by appearence and qualities, there seems to be 3 categories;
Firstly, a hard/brittle kind; if you bend it sharply, it either snaps, or turns white just where you 'fold' it; reminds me of the model cars we used to put together when I was a kid.
A 'tougher', more resilient and 'flexible' plastic; very difficult to 'bend', like truck bed liners and fender liners and bumper covers on cars are made from,
and Thirdly, the 'nylon'; usually white or black, used for making gears and 'control arms' on appliances, etc.
It would be great if we could develop some kind of a 'simple' field test that could be used to classify plastics as to whether they were 'desirable' (for Pyrolysis) or not. Perhaps some chemicals they either do or don't react with;
I'm thinking, (for instance) of the glue we used to use to assemble those model cars, when I was a kid; it 'glued' the plastic parts together, by melting it.
Even if the 'test' was a 2-3 part test; Solution "A" melts it, but solution "B" doesn't, so its 'Good', a different plastic, solution "A" has no effect, but solution "B" melts it. And so then you see how it reacts to solution "C".
Something similar to what the cops use, to 'test' street drugs, is what I'm visualising.
These 'scrappers' I'm thinking of, regularly use magnets, etc. to figure out what kind of metal they have, since they get paid more if they 'sort' it, so they could 'learn' to test, if the $ was there. And, WE could use such a testing system, for detirmining if plastic was appropriate 'feedstock', as well.
Any CHEMISTS out there, who could put there minds and knowledge to this,and see if they can come up with something??Jim

look to jetis's posts

If you melt your sample with a soldering iron, if it has a sharp smell and leaves black residue, it is most probably PVC - do NOT use that. If it has a terible smell and tends to bubble a lot when melting, it is most probably PETE - also NOT good. If it does not bubble, leave black residue where it was heated and does not have a too sharp or terrible smell, it is probably PP or PE and is good for making a good quality fuel.

In fact I have made a basic presentation with all the basic info needed about the material types, pros and cons and yield numbers. Here is a link:
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it will be active for two weeks only

[dutchdivco]

Quintusk

Yes, thanks, already recycling in my house; but re-iterating my suggestion, cause I THINK it has merit;
There are so many things made out of plastic, that DON'T 'say' what kind of plastic they are. Is there some way to tell, by the qualities of the plastic, or by its responce to certain 'test solutions' WHAT kind of plastic it is; whether it is something we want to Pyrolise, or NOT?
What about 'plastic' car bumpers, truck bed liners and fender liners, for instance? And the plastic 'trim' all over the interior of cars?
The 'ion generator' I just took apart, portable fans, and other small 'household appliances? Etc., etc, Rather than simply listing the kinds of things that are made out of the plastic we want, it would be great if we had some way to 'field test'.
Or, perhaps a 'rule out' kind of test; if this liquid melts the plastic, DON'T use it?Thanks, Jim

[mercedes 308]

Yes, thanks, already recycling in my house; but re-iterating my suggestion, cause I THINK it has merit;
There are so many things made out of plastic, that DON'T 'say' what kind of plastic they are. Is there some way to tell, by the qualities of the plastic, or by its responce to certain 'test solutions' WHAT kind of plastic it is; whether it is something we want to Pyrolise, or NOT?
What about 'plastic' car bumpers, truck bed liners and fender liners, for instance? And the plastic 'trim' all over the interior of cars?
The 'ion generator' I just took apart, portable fans, and other small 'household appliances? Etc., etc, Rather than simply listing the kinds of things that are made out of the plastic we want, it would be great if we had some way to 'field test'.
Or, perhaps a 'rule out' kind of test; if this liquid melts the plastic, DON'T use it?Thanks, Jim

What about 'plastic' car bumpers, ABS do not use
Wheel arch covers, HDPE I believe need to test.

[CRMoore]

Thanks for the long explanation as the ISEF site did not have details. What precautions will you take re fumes off the melt?

[quintusk]

ABS do not use

???

Dutchdivco, can't help you, sorry! the way i go if i have some ''x'' object from a strange ''y'' plastic, i just google it:

1. from what is made ''x'' object; result ''y''

2. pyrolysis of y

Hope u understand me

I put a glass jar on cooking machine with some spacers , reached ~140c in ~15minutes, stopped and put the jar in a pot and hit it a bit, trow it side to side. Jar is fine didnt shatter or crack, I wil test it at higher temperature after i get my self a good K-type probe. My old one broke down because of experiments like melting cooper

[mercedes 308]

I have a ''deal'' with a friend: he recycle all the plastics that are entering his house, i come and pick it up; got something like 1kg/week. Offcourse i do the same in my house and i plan to speak to more friends about this, also some bars/restaurants.
You can do the same Dutchdivco.

Computer cases, dells have a lot of panels that are from ABS, cheap no-name computer cases have front made from ABS too. Computer monitors cases for sure, keyboards maybe.

I have here a jacket that has watte on the inside that is made from polyester; the futter is made out polyamid nylon. Old cloth made from plastics, polyester and others...

Other usables: shampoo bottles, milk juggs, combustible tanks from cars, dops from bottles, plastic toys ...

Jetijs have you ever considered glass jars as ''condensers''?

thx!

Later edit:

http://pubs.awma.org/gsearch/journal.../45_11_855.pdf

The higher the temperature, the better, i see 570C...

What about routing the diesel back to pyro chamber for more gasoline?

interesting pdf

(3) the yield of gasoline
increased due to the catalyst zeolite added, and the yield of
diesel increased due to the addition of the catalyst calcium
carbonate; (4)