How to turn plastic waste into diesel fuel cheaply

[Jetijs]

Asad, you are right. Oxidation might be a problem, because as the fuel flows out the condenser, it is yellow, but it turns dark brown over time and this is not the impurities, because we have the centrifugal filter now and this thing gets every solid out of the fuel and it still stays the same color. I don't know how this would work out over longer periods of time, but so far after some two weeks, the diesel fuel still is usable and works like a charm. My friend has been driving on this fuel for some time now, almost 300KM for now without any problems. Anyway, oxidizing problem can be easily solved with additives. I don't know the right brand or name yet, but it does not cost much, about some 15$ for liter, but you need to mix in only some 200 grams of the additive for 200 liters of fuel if I recall corectly. My friend will get some soon and I will post details of that stuff

[Aaron]

fuel stabilizer

$15 for a liter sounds cheap if it works good.

I used this for years mostly for gasoline:
“I’M NOT SMOKING DOPE WHEN I TELL YOU THAT I CAN MAKE YOUR GAS GREEN

Anyone can bypass that page to the purchase page here:
Aaron's Special Discount Page

It is a fuel stabilizer as well, prevents bacterial growth in diesel, etc...

This is the enhanced version of RXP Gas Kicker that is available in thousands
of Autozone stores across the US.
Amazon.com: RXP - Gas Kicker, 2.5 fl. oz.: Automotive
That is a small bottle with a lot of shipping cost - most people can get it
locally at autozone to experiment with.

The rxp generation ii is better and cheaper. It is the top fuel stabilizer
in the country. Unfortunately, it was distributed by an MLM company
by people that had no business being in business if you know what I
mean. When I run out of inventory that I'm stocked up on, I'll just buy
the gas kicker from Autozone.

This is all 1/2 ounce per 10 gallons. The label says 1 ounce per 10 gallons
but that was never shown to have any more effect. One of my partners
did all the tests with his 5 gas analyzer and 1/2 per 10 gallons gave the
max benefit possible.

Anyway, it preserves fuel for much longer than it normally lasts.

[curiousgeorge]

how much energy

I have always thought about doing this, but how much energy realistically does this take, seems like a negative output device

[dutchdivco]

Seems like your not all that curious,

George.My first thought was to tell you about the new kind of Dr.; Cross between a chiropracter and a Proctologist.
Not sure what you mean by 'negative energy device'.If you mean its not perpetual motion plus, i.e. produces more energy than it uses, you are right.There are other threads on this forum where that concept is discussed.
Still, there are a # of variables, such as what source you are using for the heat; electricity, wood fired, or the gases or liquid fuels produced by the device.And, the material; plastic purchased from a recycling plant, old tires, etc.Even biomass.
So, i'm left with wondering why you posted, at all. Your other post in this forum, is also rather puzzling.Jim

[ashtweth]

Should be a site set up showing people/scams who have extracted open source for profit against the open source engineers wishes, we will offer a domain for that if any one can do it (understaffed here), at least stop these guys some how with exposure

Ash

[mbrownn]

Should be a site set up showing people/scams who have extracted open source for profit against the open source engineers wishes, we will offer a domain for that if any one can do it (understaffed here), at least stop these guys some how with exposure

Ash

I like that idea although anyone that does it may face litigation problems

[dutchdivco]

Thought, questions

If these guys are really 'deliverying'; thats one thing. If someone doesn't want to research and build their own, and buys a unit, AND ACTUALLY GETS A WORKING UNIT, thats one thing.On the other hand, if they send their $, for a unit, or 'buy' a regional dealership, and never get anything for their $, thats a 'scam', and definetly needs to be exposed, ASAP.
Benefit of the doubt, PERHAPS this 'guy' was working on it on his own, just about had it all worked out, had his business plan, etc. and then 'stumbled' across this site, and in his eagerness, 'borrower' some of Jetsis materials.
As had been said, open source DOES mean anyone can use.If someone wants to use it, to start a legitimate business, their entitled. If someone wants to BUY a ready made unit, rather than building their own, their entitled.
The regional dealership thing looks to me like a way to raise capital; many start-ups are underfunded, and try this approach.Some few are able to make it work; most end up going broke, and end up in court, or with the principle sneaking out of town in the middle of the night.At the least, we should keep eyes on this 'operation', and be prepared to 'drop a dime' at the first sign of shenanigans. Would hate to see a scam give this technology a bad name.
One thing I did notice; said there are 2 options on condensing the last liquid fuel (gasoline) out of the gaseous discharge; bubble thru water, and then seperate, OR, 'if the condeser is cold enough' ALL of the remaining gasoline will precipitate out.So, depending on the set-up and practicality, one could put the last condeser in a cold water bath, or perhaps a small 'mini-fridge'. Its an option.
For the set-up I'm contemplating, would love to reduce/eliminate the carbon in the reactor; so I wouldn't have to open it up periodically to clean out the charcoal.Still trying to figure a way to use waste heat from a gen-set as my heat source.Its a matter of the design, not the task of cleaning. Would like to avoid making the hatch, with the conical seal, at all.Pump the plastic in through a pipe,and remove the gas with pipe.Then I could use a water heater for my reactor vessel, and run the exhaust from the genset through the central pipe of the water heater.Making an access hatch with the seal, on the side of a curved surface is proving challenging.Anyway, great stuff!Jim

[treehugrecycling@gmail.co]

Hi Dtchdivco,

On using a water heater you may want to make sure you find one with thick sides - I was thinking along the same concept as it is hard to find free old propane, welding or thick air compressor tanks in my area. A lot of the water heaters now have glass lining because the metal walls are so thin that somehow under the small pressure and heating of water it could get through the tank, so they added a glass layer (other reasons as well). The glass lining makes it harder to cut and weld as well.

I think Jetijs was able to put the machine grooved (which really is GREAT to save on replacing gaskets as well) on what was once curved by welding on a large pipe which would be the base for the tank side machined grove. I was actually thinking of doing that at the bottom of the tank for clean out and having a smaller "Jetijs style" grooved seal at the top for plastic input (perhaps the extruder could have a matching grove that would mate there as well??).

I am not as smart as Jetijs and many others in this group - so I am learning ALOT and am very thankful for all the help. Although my belief is that all "free energy" or "free to me energy" concepts should be open and for the greater good of all people, sometimes raising capital is the only way to advance something. That being said the person who photoshoped Jetijs' unit blue is going to have a lot of legal issues by selling dealerships if he is has not or is unable to obtain necessary regulatory approval for these units to actually be used in commerce. There is a big difference between experimenting in the inventive stage and actually producing a product that is to be sold as a business.

[Jetijs]

Although my belief is that all "free energy" or "free to me energy" concepts should be open and for the greater good of all people.

I can drink to that!

[Jetijs]

I removed the end piece of the extruder and pressed out the drill. It had some plastics stuck to it but it came off very easily, the metal just needs to be smooth and the plastic will not stick to it. That is a good thing Cleaning wont be a problem.

[dutchdivco]

Just a thought

They make titannium coated drill bits now, in about every configuration; you know the golden/amber colored ones. Also, its not that expensive to have something titannium coated. Just thinking that might give you a better surface; smoother, harder, less subject to heat, and that the plastic may stick to it less.Just thinking,....

And yeah, once you start doing something as a business, and start selling a product, and taking peoples $ for exclusive dealerships, their are all sorts of legal and regulatory issues you have to be aware of.Jim

[Jetijs]

And yeah, once you start doing something as a business, and start selling a product, and taking peoples $ for exclusive dealerships, their are all sorts of legal and regulatory issues you have to be aware of.Jim

I don't plan anything like that in near future. So far our filosofy has been to share everything so that anyone with building skills can replicate it. And we will make the devices for those who can't or don't want to build them for themselves. For a little profit of course. Anyway, the main thing is the info needs to get out there. There is a saying, - you wont get new info if you don't give away the current one-

[ashtweth]

Jetijs they are some of the most liberating open source spirited words ever uttered in this field, your one of a kind Bro. I think every one values you here, not only your talent but your ability to get on with the job and get it out there, i think in the end open source successful systems will override the small mishaps, if we keep on the job, i see you already won bro


Sincerely
Ash

PS, some one should be making a documentary on OPEN source in this field for many benefits and support, those words Jet said are enough inspiration for me, i am in contact with Christopher Toussaint
From Free Spirit Productions
He is the producer of the videos, Free Energy: The Race to Zero Point and
Cold Fusion: Fire from Water, i bet he would be interested down the track.

[brenie]

Ash I'll second that, 'you wont get new info if you don't give away the current one' I think we already know that jetijs lives by that philosophy, it's the folk like he and yourself that will lead many more too that goal.

regards, Bren.

[CRMoore]

ERM site-still open for business

Wanted to add that I wondered about their contact address (a PO Box in Tulahoma(sp?)) so I checked with Tulahoma City. The helpful officials I called hadn't heard of this company which they agreed was suspect thus alerted I traced down a video linked to you w/o much surprise. Now I wonder from where remaining photos/text on this website were lifted.