How to turn plastic waste into diesel fuel cheaply

[Babataku]

Excess Gas Burner Ideas

Hi All,

Any ideas on a good burner design for excess gasses? i am working on a 400ltr retort system and i am looking for a burner design that can handle the volume of the excess gasses and if possible a design for an enclosed burner system where the flame is not visible.

My last outfits were small and the excess gasses were just burned off a regular 1/2 inch pipe with flames visible...this time i want the flames to be contained in a pipe or in some way, not visible... Any ideas??

[rozier56]

production rates

Hi folks, note the temp of 330*c was measured on top of the reflux chamber on my new plant.plus i notice from your back reference to others that mention is made that the diesel was seperated at 80-120*c.My condenser temp at exit is almost 20*C,is that too low, must i be cooling to higher temp?This means that i am going from 330*c on my reflux down to 20*c within 1.5 meters of condenser,maybe i need to cool slower?

[MargorieLonn]

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[Excalibur]

Hi folks, note the temp of 330*c was measured on top of the reflux chamber on my new plant.plus i notice from your back reference to others that mention is made that the diesel was seperated at 80-120*c.My condenser temp at exit is almost 20*C,is that too low, must i be cooling to higher temp?This means that i am going from 330*c on my reflux down to 20*c within 1.5 meters of condenser,maybe i need to cool slower?

The reasons for holding the diesel reservoir at 80-120*C is twofold. It will force any lighter fractions present to boil off and be captured downstream. The temperature determines the force at which these more volatile components will evaporate. A higher temp will drive off more, pushing it down to the petrol condenser.
The other benefit is to create more gases for a burner. Recently 120*C in my diesel reservoir yielded good, record quantities of burnable gas as well as a number of liters of petrol was trapped in the petrol condenser.

Just what target temperature you would choose depends on what outcome you are aiming for. I tend to want to evaporate the volatiles from my diesel to improve the stability and raise the boiling point. Another consideration would be specific gravity of the product.

[Beyond Biodiesel]

Hi folks, here is plant no3.I have changed the distillation column to a 40lt size[300MM X600MM].My retort is 300lt in volume full.I ran the plant at 330*c and could only produce 2lt/hr of diesel as you see attached.Looks like good product.At no stage was my condenser over heated as i have this temp monitored. This rate is far less than when i was using a small distillation column[4,5,LT].Any bright ideas about this?

hi there,

1. 330 deg celc is way too low, consider increasing temp to 400 - 420 deg celc for maximum production results.
2. It seems that you are not insulating your lead / flange and since your exit pipe is not directly on the flange / lid, that uninsulated spot will act as a reflux zone and your actual reflux even if you heat it or insulate it will not be effective. consider insulating it.

Hope it makes sense

Babataku is right. Also, your condenser should not be horizontal, but face down. See an illustration of the basic fractionation column from the Petroleum Handbook.

[rozier56]

mt rozier

THKS GUYS, I WILL TRY THESE NEW IDEAS AND REPORT BACK.

[Col]

continuous plastic feed to retort

For everyone using plastic as feedstock here's as idea for continuous feeding of plastic into the retort -
You'll need a vertical/sloped pipe running from the hopper to the retort with a series of valves in it. Once the plastic is in small pieces, dry and in the hopper, open a valve to dump a quantity of plastic pieces into the pipe, maybe the section of pipe would be 300-600mm long and 50-100mm diameter? Close the valve, now the plastic is trapped between two closed valves, with air mixed in with it. There needs to be a small gas inlet valve at the bottom of this section of pipe and a small gas outlet valve at the top of this section of pipe. Choose your gas supply (could be off-gas stored from previous runs, could be an inert gas or could be LPG for instance) and feed it into the section of pipe. This gas will fill the chamber from the bottom and work it's way up to the outlet valve near the top. It will hopefully push MOST of the air out and leave MOSTLY the introduced gas in it's place. Then repeat this procedure down into the next section of pipe and so on as many times as is needed to expel the air from the plastic feedstock. The introduced gas from the lowest section of pipe could be directed to the next section and so on until it leaves the highest section and is directed to the flare. An oxygen sensor could be used on the final / lowest section of pipe to ensure there is no oxygen left before dumping the plastic into the retort.
One advantage of this method over an auger screw feeder is simplicity. This method would allow unheated plastic to be shuffled down the pipe, section after section using only a few valves. The plastic would need to fall freely of course so maybe only dense plastics would be suitable.
I have no idea how well it would work. The idea mentioned some time back about casting cylinders of plastic to match the size of the feed tube is a very good one I think, you could melt down any density of plastic.
Col

[Col]

surface area available for evaporation of vapours

Babataku is right. Also, your condenser should not be horizontal, but face down. See an illustration of the basic fractionation column from the Petroleum Handbook.

Note how much surface area is available for evaporation. In laboratory scale experiments like this I believe they never fill the round bottom flask any higher than half full because when you go above that level the surface area begins to reduce. When the surface area is small relative to the volume being boiled I understand the vapours struggle to escape fast enough (depending on how much heat you are putting into the flask) and the reaction is impeded. I do not remember what the consequences are. So a larger relative diameter is better then a smaller diameter for facilitating evaporation.
Col

[Beyond Biodiesel]

For everyone using plastic as feedstock here's as idea for continuous feeding of plastic into the retort -
Col

Interesting idea on feeding solid plastic into a continuous fired retort. I expect that, as you mentioned, light plastics, such as polyethylene will not gravity flow. Also, at some point along that pipe it is going to be hot enough to melt plastic, and the plastic is going to stick there, and stop rolling down hill.

Over the weekend I reflected on another idea for continuous feed system based upon pneumatic pumping. A large retort with a cone shaped bottom and a wide seal-able top could be filled with your feed stock, then the lid closed, then heated to the transition temperature of the plastic feed stock. The pressure vessel is pressurized using an inert gas, such as CO2 to about 5-10 PSI. Then a lower valve is opened and the now liquid feed stock will move into the retort at whatever rate you want, and you close the valve if you want to stop the feed.

The valve would have to be able to handle the temperature of your plastic feed stock at its transition temperature.

Note how much surface area is available for evaporation. In laboratory scale experiments like this I believe they never fill the round bottom flask any higher than half full because when you go above that level the surface area begins to reduce. When the surface area is small relative to the volume being boiled I understand the vapours struggle to escape fast enough (depending on how much heat you are putting into the flask) and the reaction is impeded. I do not remember what the consequences are. So a larger relative diameter is better then a smaller diameter for facilitating evaporation.
Col

The illustration shows just how much volume is needed to avoid boil-over, but anyone who has operated one of these glassware fractionation columns, as I have, will know, if the retort is heated too aggressively, then it will boil-over, so the temperature has to rise slowly.

A more typical arrangement in a working lab would be using electric heating mantels closely controlled by variac, instead of the bunsen burner, and the operator would have to bring the temperature up very slowly to avoid boil-over.

[fox32]

Hello guys, i see you are talking about a injection machine, i think it is very interesting subject, so i'we done a little reasearch and come across this. Maybe it can be addapted to our cause, upscalled, any opinions?

Home Plastic Injection Molding

[Col]

liquid plastic feed mechanism

Over the weekend I reflected on another idea for continuous feed system based upon pneumatic pumping. A large retort with a cone shaped bottom and a wide seal-able top could be filled with your feed stock, then the lid closed, then heated to the transition temperature of the plastic feed stock. The pressure vessel is pressurized using an inert gas, such as CO2 to about 5-10 PSI. Then a lower valve is opened and the now liquid feed stock will move into the retort at whatever rate you want, and you close the valve if you want to stop the feed.

The valve would have to be able to handle the temperature of your plastic feed stock at its transition temperature.

Very nice BBD! I like the simplicity, it seems like it would be reliable, controllable and useable at any scale. What else could we want?
Col

[Chris@NL]

In a plastic injection moulding machine there is no oxigen at all in the barrel.
Once the plastic is melted the air is pushed out to the back.
If you had air trapped in the plastic it would give you a bad product in the mould.
A very small screw/barrel gives you up to 100 liters of plastic per hour.
These barrels are fitted on 75 tons machines.(clamp force).
The only problem with these screws is, you need a very strong motor.
Normally its driven by a hydraulic motor.

[Excalibur]

FYI. Talk of LPG/propane cylinder wall thickness got me thinking, so I located a number of them which have been cut open. I measured each with an imperial micrometer. The thinnest was .085" and heaviest .125", others were in between. All were the 9kg variety except the .125" which was a 60L auto cylinder.

After numerous requests for schematic diagrams, I have initiated a series of them using Open Office Draw. The 1st is an overview of my plant while the 2nd is the turk burner head. Others are being considered. There is a new, dedicated page on my DIY Diesel blog Orion Schematic Diagram Library
I hope this helps.

[fox32]

Very nice design and very helpfull, i built a simmilar one, it is not ready yet, i will put some pictures soon, i see you have some nifty improvements, the Draw back arrestor is a new thing to me, it is there to prevent water to be sucked up from the bubler?

Also, the Flashback arrestor i had some dificulties managing to build one, since i can't find fine steel wool so i'we used some kitchen steel sponges, your design is something simmilar or you use other matterials? I was thinking a one made from a car exhaust catalyzer...

I see you have a heat exchanger/condenser, i was planning for my diesel trap to act as condensor , may i ask why you chose this design?

Thanks Excalibur, great work as always!

[fox32]

In a plastic injection moulding machine there is no oxigen at all in the barrel.
Once the plastic is melted the air is pushed out to the back.
If you had air trapped in the plastic it would give you a bad product in the mould.
A very small screw/barrel gives you up to 100 liters of plastic per hour.
These barrels are fitted on 75 tons machines.(clamp force).
The only problem with these screws is, you need a very strong motor.
Normally its driven by a hydraulic motor.

I see, it will be usless without proper motors or hidraulics. I have a excavator hidraulic piston that used to lift the bucket, i was thinking to adapt that somehow, but i guess it will be quite a hassle...