ALERT: SUPPRESSION UNDER WAY for the V-Gate motor

[jibbguy]

Man if this keeps up, i will have to learn German after all.

We can call the final working version the "V III" . Just kidding. (although i must admit "Vengeance 3" would be a pretty fitting name to stick it to the "magnets doing work is impossible and you're all crazy" naysayers lol).

@ yx: What i got from that vid you posted is this: Where can i get a hat like that that dude's? It roxx Thanks for the info. Very nice machining there BTW!

[boguslaw]

Der MagnetMotor von George Video by Dietmar - Myspace Video

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

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UPDATE

it looks good so far. now for either a cam, or maybe I'll use a switch to trigger an electromagnet shield for the stator magnet to be nulled at the sticky point.

[ABCStore]

I think two key points to replicate this easier:

1. Run it in attraction mode
2. Flip it upside-down to utilize gravity in pulling the bar away from magnets.

Like I postulated earlier, these types of devices are only possible where superposition of two forces exists.

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[Mark]

If you flip it around and use gravity to help pull the bar away then you'll have to lift it back up again. I think having the bar on the top is fine but a lever and fulcum design is needed so less energy is used to lift the lever.

[Rubberband]

sticky point

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UPDATE

it looks good so far. now for either a cam, or maybe I'll use a switch to trigger an electromagnet shield for the stator magnet to be nulled at the sticky point.

I've been thinking?... Could a right angle magnetic torque be used to overcome the sicky point? By this I mean if you fix a V-gate rotor in a frame ang inclose it in a cylinder with bearings on each end of the tube mounted on the V-gates shaft. The tube is of a dia. to support multible V-gate rotor shafts on bearings, mounted inside the cylinder,orbiting the fixed V-gate and use the torque of the mass as well for flywheel effect. Then mounting magnets on the inside of the cylinder to effect a right angle torque tiiming load towards the rotating rotors, so the are effected to hold different posistions as the rotate around the fixed V-gate.....Hope this makes sense?

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

I've been thinking?... Could a right angle magnetic torque be used to overcome the sicky point? By this I mean if you fix a V-gate rotor in a frame ang inclose it in a cylinder with bearings on each end of the tube mounted on the V-gates shaft. The tube is of a dia. to support multible V-gate rotor shafts on bearings, mounted inside the cylinder,orbiting the fixed V-gate and use the torque of the mass as well for flywheel effect. Then mounting magnets on the inside of the cylinder to effect a right angle torque tiiming load towards the rotating rotors, so the are effected to hold different posistions as the rotate around the fixed V-gate.....Hope this makes sense?

I'm finding it a little difficult to visualize what you're describing. Could you sketch it out and upload a picture? I think you may have something there, but a picture is worth 1000 words.

My next step is to make a magnetic beamer as shown in Boyd Bushman's patent, so create a directed magnetic field for the stator magnet. 3 or 4 magnets facing inwards with the same polarity on a plane, with an other magnet in the center perpendicular to the radial magnets. This will help stop the bending and cogging effect of the magnetic fields. You can alter the radial magnets to form a conical shape rather than a pure radial one, and also move the center magnet in and out to focus the beam. Also, I was considering adding magnets on either side of my disk, above and below the radial magnets already there, so as to lock their fields in in the same manner, making the magnetic geometry more ridgid.

With "magnetic beams" rather than magnetic "fields", there will be a MUCH SMALLER sticking point, and momentum will more easily overcome that point.

[Rubberband]

I'm finding it a little difficult to visualize what you're describing. Could you sketch it out and upload a picture? I think you may have something there, but a picture is worth 1000 words.

My next step is to make a magnetic beamer as shown in Boyd Bushman's patent, so create a directed magnetic field for the stator magnet. 3 or 4 magnets facing inwards with the same polarity on a plane, with an other magnet in the center perpendicular to the radial magnets. This will help stop the bending and cogging effect of the magnetic fields. You can alter the radial magnets to form a conical shape rather than a pure radial one, and also move the center magnet in and out to focus the beam. Also, I was considering adding magnets on either side of my disk, above and below the radial magnets already there, so as to lock their fields in in the same manner, making the magnetic geometry more ridgid.

With "magnetic beams" rather than magnetic "fields", there will be a MUCH SMALLER sticking point, and momentum will more easily overcome that point.

got picture..don't know how to attach.....wally

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

if you go down below the place on the screen where you type the reply, there is the section labeled "additional options" in that section is a button that says "manage attatchments" click on it, select the picture, upload it. before you close the attachemnt window that pops up, put your cursor over the link to your attachment that it shows. it will have a 4 digit attachment number, probably somewhere around 7400. in the text of your reply, type "[ATTACH]12345[/ATTACH]" without the quotes, and with the number associated with the image you uploaded. that way it shows up for everyone, not just members who are logged in.

[caru]

It now turns out that clanzer just made a no-sense move... indeed a very strange move: if suppression is not involved, I can only explain it as a marketing move. See the same updated article.

Of course I do not intend to discourage anyone from verifying this strange case...

[Rubberband]

if you go down below the place on the screen where you type the reply, there is the section labeled "additional options" in that section is a button that says "manage attatchments" click on it, select the picture, upload it. before you close the attachemnt window that pops up, put your cursor over the link to your attachment that it shows. it will have a 4 digit attachment number, probably somewhere around 7400. in the text of your reply, type "[ATTACH]12345[/ATTACH]" without the quotes, and with the number associated with the image you uploaded. that way it shows up for everyone, not just members who are logged in.

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[Rubberband]

Thanks

if you go down below the place on the screen where you type the reply, there is the section labeled "additional options" in that section is a button that says "manage attatchments" click on it, select the picture, upload it. before you close the attachemnt window that pops up, put your cursor over the link to your attachment that it shows. it will have a 4 digit attachment number, probably somewhere around 7400. in the text of your reply, type "[ATTACH]12345[/ATTACH]" without the quotes, and with the number associated with the image you uploaded. that way it shows up for everyone, not just members who are logged in.

Thanks for all the help, I hope this helps some...I,ve been wanting to build this and some variations but....times are tough, Family needs come first..

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

Rubberband
you've got it! orbit with precession! All moving parts are in repulsion to each other, all stationary parts are in repulsion to each other, and moving/rotating parts are attracted. I've come to a similar conclusion myself before, but never built it. One thing though, does your picture mean that each axis of rotation is actually an ellipse? that's what the drawing shows

[Rubberband]

Rubberband
you've got it! orbit with precession! All moving parts are in repulsion to each other, all stationary parts are in repulsion to each other, and moving/rotating parts are attracted. I've come to a similar conclusion myself before, but never built it. One thing though, does your picture mean that each axis of rotation is actually an ellipse? that's what the drawing shows

Sorry about the crude picture, brought it from my thoughts too fast, but no, not an eliptical axis orbit...just rough attempt to illustrate the bearing pillows... I see this as possible due to Newtons every action law application with applied fulcrum pressure.....Maybe? someday I can get to work on it...Wally

[Joit]

I made a crude rebuild of it, ordered couple Magnets,
but the Results are actually more dissapointing.

The Rotor at all has not realy a Torque,
and the only Point, where i can see a Force is,
where the V connect into the Start.

The Arrangement is left side N-Poles
right Side S- Poles, to attract or repell it,
I used couple shorter Magnets sticked together to a Bar.
The only Point i can push it is at the Start-End Area,
and anyhow i think it will not be more as a funny Tool,
in case, someone can make it let run.