Joule Ringer!

[minoly]

This is our LaserSaber Bedini build on the multi-oscillating Joule Ringer. We’re still having fun learning what it does and why. Just thought we’d add our 2cents to the pot. We are using the tinfoil to hear the “regauging”/speeding up oscillation (so many options!). Thought that might be interesting to some.
YouTube - min2oly's Channel

Update – two hours later the voltage has climbed to 6.33 – will keep you all posted if that is all fluff or not. Double-checking meter batteries etc… if this is true than we are no longer using this for light alone, that CFL is one of the many oscillating catalysts in this ckt which puts out light as well.

[Lidmotor]

Solving the puzzle

@Lasersaber & All
I looked at what I have done so far on a scope today and saw (maybe) the reason why this works. There are very sharp spikes and the pulse duration is very short. I looked at the circuit first with the bifilar coil in it and then with a .22uf cap instead. Both were similar wave forms so I made a video of the .22uf cap arrangement. If people can get the circuit running this way (on a .22uf cap) maybe we can go from there and not be hung up winding coils. The power consumption calculations being done here might be off if what we are seeing is an extremely short pulse blinker. .
I might be way off on this. I am just trying to figure out this puzzle .

Here is what mine looks like on the scope. I'm running a 110v LED bulb this time.
YouTube - Joule Ringer scope shots.ASF

Lidmotor

[LaserSaber]

@Lidmotor

I see that you are driving it with only 1.5V. I have also seen others doing the same. If what you have made works at 1.5V it most likely is not the same as what I am doing. Try running it at 15V and see how it does. If you have the circuit built correctly, running it at 15V should be no problem at all. If it works well at 1.5V it may just be an efficient joule thief but it probably will not run when taken off of the battery or super cap and left to run on just an electrolytic capacitor.

[xee2]

I do not think this is a replication of what LaserSaber did. But it does light a neon for about one minute from 20,000 uF charged to 6 volts.

YouTube - RC string test

[Lidmotor]

My setup on 15 volts and a 6800uf /100v cap

@Lidmotor

I see that you are driving it with only 1.5V. I have also seen others doing the same. If what you have made works at 1.5V it most likely is not the same as what I am doing. Try running it at 15V and see how it does. If you have the circuit built correctly, running it at 15V should be no problem at all. If it works well at 1.5V it may just be an efficient joule thief but it probably will not run when taken off of the battery or super cap and left to run on just an electrolytic capacitor.

OK I ran an experiment with 15volt and a 6800uf /100v cap that I had. The circuit ran just fine but only for a few seconds. I am waiting on the 10,000 uf caps from Goldmine to see what happens with them. I was going to wind the small coil today like what you used in your second video but I got sidetracked.

Here is a quick video of what I just tried with 15 volts:

YouTube - Joule Ringer on 15volts and 6800uf cap.ASF

Lidmotor

[fusionchip]

Lasersaber you say it takes 15 volts .That makes a little more practacal to me then .bleed a cap to provide 1 volt for the circuit to run cause they will run on those volts limiting the current or vise versa ,15v and limit the current .Still a puzzle when caps dont hold that much juice . .a bit off topic but these are cool videos and clarify something i needed to know about caps . . YouTube - Fun with ultracapacitors. well a bit more understanding i hope for us that graduated in the early 70's from college . Can you find the time when your playing and see if a 1.5 volt joule thief will Charge your caps . I know My aa battery Jt standard will charge up a 650 Farad 2.7 volt cap in a day . and i have played with caps charging them up to several hundred volts on a jt in just a few minuits . If so the this could be ran on just an aa battery .Thanks for the inspration and a distraction from pain .

Albert

[dragon]

Wow, everyone is doing some nice experiments with Lasers Ringer.. pretty cool. I had a little time to play tonight and put another one together, I put it on the scope and started swapping parts... I have one running at an incredibly low frequency. I can get this thing to pulse an FL tube at 7-10 Hz. No usable light by any means, noticeable in daylight, I find it quite fascinating that it will run at or around earth frequencies. Still can't seem to get past the 15 min mark for run times on the CFL's. My best results is still with the bifilar coils.
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[mikrovolt]

misc ref to flash cam, bifilar. and led arrangement.

The Joule ringer has been moving up.
In checking bifilar coil: power just single coil, notice compass move.
then connect the bifilar with (loop in the center) now the compass deflects another 30% (( 10mH 1.25 inch ID by 3.5 inch long ferrite material Fe Mn. ))

hibp.ecse.rpi.edu/~connor/.../lectures/Lecture_9_flash_camera.pdf -
http://talkingelectronics.com/projec...orCircuits.pdf
page 10
YouTube - $6 Movie Light
bigger is better however light pattern rectangular evenly diffused

later we need to talk about shielding like putting inductor in a coffee can

[skaght]

measuring output voltage...

Some folks have recommended measuring the output voltage on these devices. That's actually quite difficult, as when you change your output, the circuit changes radically in its response. I've been trying to measure the output by using capacitors and the current draw shoots up dramatically with just a cap to replace the CFL. You can try to keep a load on the output with a resistor and capacitor in series to replace the CFL, but then you're loosing power through that connection. Output voltages have ranged as high as 500 volts with what I can measure.

I've also seen spark gap activity that looked like a higher DC voltage (1500 or more volts) when my meter told me the capacitor had only 100 volts present. I'm not sure if our volt meters can measure this thing very accurately.

[sucahyo]

This is off topic, this circuit is not Joule Ringer, but I just want to say thanks to LaserSaber for the idea to use germanium diode between two coil. Here is my result:
YouTube - Stingo that produce neon purple

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi All

Well nobody took me up on the post I made before, I'm not trying to promote another thread, look at this first post I made, look at the circuit and you will understand what is happening with what you are doing here.

I am only trying to help, with using a switching means and and electrolytic cap with a pre charge you can get the circuit running for ever or until a component fails.

You can also use a ni-cad and it will never loose its charge, I will not be posting a circuit due to a commercial application of this and is also why I stopped posting on that thread.

You are very close to a self runner, BUT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING. Think of the bifiler as a cap and only a cap of a certain size, look at what happens to the large coil within the oscillations, it changes size.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tion-pump.html

Mike

[FRC]

Mike

What is the commercial application of the circuit ? Or is that some proprietary
secret ?

FRC

[ztec2002]

charge dump

i was just wandering about using those zener diode beam bot circuits that use a solar cell to charge up a cap and dump its charge to a motor to make it move.instead of a motor we can dump it into the main run cap instead.may make the ringer a self runner.trying this after work to day.

cheers

[Michael John Nunnerley]

What is the commercial application of the circuit ? Or is that some proprietary
secret ?

FRC

Light, and only light at the moment, 24 large bright white leds at full light, will run more but with 24 it just keeps going and never stops. I have not done anything more on this project for quite some time as I have been busy with my other project, EB manipulation of molecules "heavey going"

Alinement with the earths magnetic flux makes a difference but not totally critical, works better at lower frequencies and can as so, take advantage of iron laminated transformers, but ferrite also is ok.

Mike

[ewizard]

I'm looking for suggestions on the Joule Ringer as I tried a bunch of things but no luck. My Fuji AA camera had a D2607 transistor which I checked the datasheet and like the others it has the BCE pinout. I tried many hookup variations on the Fuji transformer but none worked. I tried 2 diodes with a 2 Megohm resistor across them as well as alone, reversed and resistor only. Nothing on the scope indicated I was getting any voltage at the output where the CFL was that was anything close to what I think it would need to fire. Scope goes to 400 Mhz so I don't think I missed anything. I'll admit my bifilar coil may be part of the problem as I just used one I had that is a rather unusual toroid wind I just had handy. But that toroid works fine for a Joule thief. Most of the time I was using a 40,000 ufd electrolytic but tried some smaller ones too. I also tried a 2N2222a as someone had mentioned. One other less common component is my FL tube is actually a 13 watt U tube.

In one setup I did see some very sharp spikes at fairly high frequency. But the output was too low to do anything.

MJN I remember following the STEAP for a while but was too busy at the time to do anything with it. Thanks for your input on that and the JR relationship. It gives me hope there is still a chance for a self runner. I'd gladly sign an NDA if I could get more info