Joule Ringer!

[dragon]

I've considered using an oil bath as well as some heavy coat magnet wire ( or both ). The 32 wire I'm using is called solder-on which is a special coating that will accept solder so you don't have to clean the enamel coating. Probably not the best for this application.

I'm really surprised that no one has noticed the similarities between Laser's Joule Ringer and Tesla's self exciting cirucit.
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[Muon]

@ Muon

Read through the Joule ringer thread and you will see that there is no "how to". LaserSaber said he would post a video showing how to make one, but that has not happened yet. Many of us have gotten a few minutes of run time, but he is the only one able to get 20 to 40 minutes that I recall and he can only do it with one type of transformer.

To use Fuji board as Jule thief, just replace large capacitor with a fluorescent tube or neon bulb.

Very helpful, Xee2. Thank you.
I'm thinking of just putting a resistor and an LED on the output side, and measuring the current using the R along with the total output voltage, and looking at the waveform. Your comment gets me off to a good start! I think I have a steep learning curve ahead -- I like to learn, and to share what I find out. This seems like a good place to do both.

[lanenal]

the transformer in a electrical mosquito killer

Now it is harder and harder to get a disposable Fuji AA camera. So I am wondering if any of you have tried the transformer in a electrical mosquito killer. It can raise the voltage from 3 volts to 500 volts in a JT like circuit (see attached). Any comments?

Edit: also the working frequency is about 18kHz, which is about right.

[lanenal]

this is what i just bought and drawed up for us.. this is the same as what he showed two in the box both has the same components and have double a batterys in them.. and they wont light a cfl out the box..

robbie

Hi robbie, thanks for drawing this up, I am not sure if this is indeed the diagram for the transformer? Did you try your the flash of your camera before you tare it apart?

lanenal

[mikrovolt]

Now it is harder and harder to get a disposable Fuji AA camera. So I am wondering if any of you have tried the transformer in a electrical mosquito killer. It can raise the voltage from 3 volts to 500 volts in a JT like circuit (see attached). Any comments?

Edit: also the working frequency is about 18kHz, which is about right.

there is a video done, it is in japanese. best I can decribe is it
blinks a straight 4 watt FL every 2 seconds, possibly 2 in parallel might work.

YouTube - 殺虫ラケットとグロー管＋蛍光灯

others modifying bug zapper raising the voltage were blowing transistors and arcing.
but one guy claims he hacked it.

There should be some nice transformers coming up soon. The thicker wire has thicker enamel, actually the coating is a polyeamide, NEMA N ,
we always used Q-dope also mentioned here lately was submerging in mineral oil.

[lanenal]

very nice result

This is my first post to these forums. I have been reading them for a while and trying various circuits here and there. As for this joule ringer I have gotten a bifilar toroid coil to work for 11 minutes (lighting a CFL) on about 12000 uF. It is 1.25" OD .75" ID .625 tall with approx. 70-80 turns in two or three layers of door bell wire (red & white twisted pair from Home Depot). I wound this coil till I couldn't get any more wire on it. It was a coil I hadn't used in a while and decided to try it instead of making a Stubblefield coil. The electrolytic caps were 10, 16 and 25 volts totaling approx 12000 uF. Some of these caps were scavenged from old electronics and I bet if I had newer caps the circuit would be much more efficient. I didn't have the 1n60 diodes so I used 1 megaohm resistors in parallel with a capacitor. I believe I used 3 1M resistors in series, paralleled with a 33 nF cap.

While experimenting I have burned up 2 transistors that came with the Fuji circuits and decided to switch to 2n4401 transistors. The Fuji circuit transistors max out at 10 volts according to the specs. FYI if you try to look up the specs the part numbers are prefixed with 2S (2SC5720, 2SD2504). For some reason they drop the 2S when labeling the part. 2n4401 work but I haven't been able to get as good a time out of them yet. Everything has to be matched to the transistor's gain. Currently I'm using a 50k pot in parallel with caps to make it easier to tune. Also with the 2n4401 you can charge your caps to a much higher voltage, producing brighter light and increasing lit time.

Thanks for sharing this alternative configuration, which might help understand what is going on. I'd like to replicate your setup when I got the chance. But I'm not exactly sure what transformer are you using? The same Fuji AA as lasersaber's? Thank you.

[mk1]

@all

I watched a video made by John Bedini , please watch it too !

YouTube - Nathan Stubblefield / Edward Leedskalnin Iron coil Monopole Motor.

Ok the important part is that a iron coil wound in the same way as a copper coil will exhibit opposite polarity .

If both coil setup are the same , the North and South of the magnet will be at the opposite end .

Now why is this important , lets say you make a bifillar copper and iron and pulse the copper coil the emf induced in the second coil usually is in the opposite direction but not with iron , the induced field will be going in the same direction as the current , this would suggest that using a bifillar copper coil would need to be either both coil wound in opposite direction or swapping polarity on on coil .


Now why would i write all that , well this is a highway system each wire there own respective side , what happen you use the pair as a secondary ?

But i see it more as a blood system veins and arteries are the same each have there own direction , emptying the cap and filling it back up at the same time .

Also the iron/copper pair theoretically should cancel each other , but the NS coil works , there is something there we can not see ,but it still is there !

That would really explain Leedskalnin suction effect , like to spring stuck together ...

Mark

[lanenal]

some calculations

Anyone interested in the basic JT with the Lasersaber mod here is a circuit that I put together during a break. It's been running for 5 hours and counting....

The bifilar is a basic 2 wire bedini type coil ( 400 turns on this one ) and the primary is a typical toroid center tap as any ordinary JT.

Notice the LED is going back to the pos of the cap and not to ground.

There is no doubt in my mind that a small tuned crystal radio circuit could make this run almost indefinitely - as long as there was a reasonable signal coming in

I did some calculations based on the data you provided, and it is simply incredable...here it is:

I suppose you probably started with a mere 3V,
this means that the average current i drawn
from your cap should be:

C = 0.04F = 40,000uF
V = 3V
t = 6.5 x 3600 s
i = CV/t = 0.005 ma

So i is significantly less than your measured 0.035ma!
Assuming that there were some recharging of the
cap during the process from some unknown source,
A rough estimation of COP: 0.035/0.005 = 7

Definitely something to wonder...

lanenal

[dragon]

Actually I started with a 7.5 volt charge on the caps ( dead 9v ) so it would end up being a .0128 ma draw overall and a COP of 2.73. I liked your numbers better.

The LED was pretty dim through out the run, although noticeable from across the room and really dim the last hour or so. Lasersaber is on to something very interesting here.. I've run into lots of oddities with these circuits.

I realized after winding the coils on the flyback core that it closely resembles tesla's self exciting circuit shown in the Colorado springs notes,starting on page 136. There are many variations of the circuit in there. I played with a few variations of it in the past but never got the response that I'm getting with Lasers circuit.
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[kooler]

Hi robbie, thanks for drawing this up, I am not sure if this is indeed the diagram for the transformer? Did you try your the flash of your camera before you tare it apart?

lanenal

yeah i always test the circuit before i tear them down..
once i unmounted all components and didn't use the led on the base then it lite a cfl..
4 days later i bought a pack of them at a thift store and they would lite a cfl right out the box..
so i think it is just being lucky to get one that works out the box really good..

robbie

[lanenal]

calculations for fusionchip

Lasersaber ,post like that make me want to just give up .As i said you are gifted with free energy.I have put days and nights continuiously and now i am just zapped of energy . Very Nice LS. Why won't you tell us the answer on how you make the coil you are using right now and you see me and others struggling to replicate it . You have to be getting external energy from a powerful source be it cell tower ,radio or military microwaves . I have already seen the germanium put of some good volts and amps with just the rf from a cfl bulb . Please show us the coil dimentions windings ,wire size so at least we have half a chance PLease man . I was happy with 46 hours from an aa battery but i could make your circuit run for years with another circuit i have and you probably know certain red blinking leds pass power intermittely and can keep your circuit charged for the price of a blinker led . Anyways you have won My Vote that this is the closest thing to ou i have ever seen and nice video on your stubblefield Coil . I think my winding days are over and now i give it a rest . l8r

Albert Now desperate .

Here is my calculation for fusionchip's 9W cfl running 46 hours from an aa battery.

Energy consumed: 9W X (46 X 3600)s = 1490400 J

Max energy from an AA batt: 11050 J (see below for a reference)

Battery energy storage in various battery sizes

COP: = 1490400 / 11050 = 135

lanenal

[lanenal]

This was on the Bedini Ferris wheel thread. I think he meant LaserSaber.


FRC

What does the advancement mean?

[kcarring]

Here is my calculation for fusionchip's 9W cfl running 46 hours from an aa battery.

Energy consumed: 9W X (46 X 3600)s = 1490400 J

Max energy from an AA batt: 11050 J (see below for a reference)

Battery energy storage in various battery sizes

COP: = 1490400 / 11050 = 135

lanenal

With all due respect, and plenty of astonishment towards this thread and lasresabre's / fusionchip's findings... doesn't one need to pretty much ignore the "9 watt rating" on the bulb? Illumination of a bulb rated at a certain power is no real indication of what power went in, is it? Just a thought. Not trying to sound negative, I am following this thread closely too, it is very very interesting any way you look at it. Thanks

[lanenal]

With all due respect, and plenty of astonishment towards this thread and lasresabre's / fusionchip's findings... doesn't one need to pretty much ignore the "9 watt rating" on the bulb? Illumination of a bulb rated at a certain power is no real indication of what power went in, is it? Just a thought. Not trying to sound negative, I am following this thread closely too, it is very very interesting any way you look at it. Thanks

Sure, that calculation is only a rough approx. The nominal 9W is probably just an indicator of the magnitude. But if it only consumes 0.9W, the result is still amazing: 13.5 COP

The CFL we bought from a market is also oscilating at about 20kHz (see wikipedia), which is probably the optimal frequency, and human ear can't hear the vibration.

lanenal

[lanenal]

over optimistic

Sure, that calculation is only a rough approx. The nominal 9W is probably just an indicator of the magnitude. But if it only consumes 0.9W, the result is still amazing: 13.5 COP

The CFL we bought from a market is also oscilating at about 20kHz (see wikipedia), which is probably the optimal frequency, and human ear can't hear the vibration.

lanenal

I'm probably over optimistic in my calculations. From the scope shots shared by others here, it seems the CFL is only lit for a tiny fraction of each cycle. correct me if this is not the case.