Joule Ringer!

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Watered Power machine == check this out

off topic but worth replicating

Solar Light Bulb - YouTube

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Solar Light bub Day & Night Lighting 0180512

cheap way to enhance illumination sun power in day time plus solar and JR in the evening FOR THE THIRD WORLD TO ENJOY

Solar Light bub Day & Night Lighting 0180512 - YouTube

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LED Liquid Lightbulb by Liquid LED at CES 2009 - YouTube


Solar bottle-bulbs bring light to Filipinos - YouTube
A Liter of Light--with Solar Cell powered LED light for night-time - YouTube
Solar Light Bulb - YouTube

[PhysicsProf]

Jules, we seem to share many of the same interests.
Thanks for your post:

Hello Dr Jones,
I know Professors like their "students" to find by themselves instead of giving them the solutions in hands.
I think you are doing the same, see below why.

I would rather give a small finished circuit, and find someone to manufacture it in small quantities, and send the device all over the world to researchers, NGOs, Universities, etc... And sell these basic OU circuit through internet to collect funds to develop bigger ones and to finance a large communication campaign. But that's just my experience that gives me such opinion

So, coming to the OU device, I watched carefully your video from Sterling Allan interview Physicist Steven E. Jones shows 8x overunity circuit and measurements (1 of 2) - YouTube
At one point you mention your test with a Pin of 4 mW and a Pout of 920mW.
That's 230 more out than in ...
By the way I don't understand why Sterling nor anyone else ever mentioned this x230, but instead talked about x8 and x20 ???

Because I was not able to reproduce that high-yield result... unfortunately, I would say.

But we don't need x230 to prove OU, or ambient energy harnessing ...

With your very simple circuit (a Joule Ringer as LaserSaber calls it), at 4mW Pin, is it possible to light 1 or a few LEDs on the output side ?

If you can light 1 white LED at full brightness, factory rated at 3V 15mA, you would get 45mW output. ...

Let me stop you right there -- it is the "full brightness" part that is very difficult to achieve in the first place, and to PROVE that it is full brightness by eye. I have developed the "light box" to quantitatively measure Lumens output (not just Lux) as explained above IIRC.

I share the goal of achieving maximum light out per watt in, for the poor of the earth especially!

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[Jules Tresor]

Thanks Prof for your reply, I didn't know the all story about the error measurement ... your thread on OU being over 73 pages, I didn't read it from the beginning

I like this idea of using a solar cell to measure the Pout, but of course it needs a coeff. > 7, with a 15% efficient solar cell, and gathering of most of the light output.

Peanutbutter is making more and more easy to replicate videos, with off the shelf parts, already tuned !!! DIY Super Joule Ringer 2.0 "Tuned"!!! Parts common! 16-20w!! 15.00 cost! lights 6-9 LEDs - YouTube He is amazing !!

Of course many people will be interested to light their multiroom house with that little 1.3A current from a car battery, 15W Pin for 6 to 9 bulbs !!!

What about people living in a single room (most of the poors), they need only 1 lamp. A 7W LED bulb is very suitable to light brightly one 15sq. m room. It could run from a 7 Ah motorbike battery, recharged with a small solar panel.
How much a suitable SJR could achieve to light this bulb efficiently ? May be it will take only 2W = 12V x 170mA.
Then the battery could deliver light for 3 or 4 evenings without charging :0) very good - 4 nights x 5 hours x 0.17A = 3.4Ah
But this model won't be mobile, the battery weighing 1 kg

So we need more intermediate models All a line of super-efficient SJR devices !
The smallest working on 1 AA, then one working on 3AA, then 1 bulb on a small 12V-7Ah battery. And one with 3 bulbs (1 for main room, 1 for outside, 1 for kitchen area) running from a 30Ah 12V battery.

The one working on a "big" 80Ah car battery exists already ! See video link above. 1.3Ah to light 6 to 9 bulbs !! Then it can light these bulbs for almost 1 week without charging. 7 days x 5 hours x 1.3A = 45.5Ah

Just ideas, I wish I could help, by being skilled "in the art" or millionaire
Good luck everyone !
Jules

[Jules Tresor]

The procedure to tune SJR

Hello,
Actually I realized how simple Peanutbutter SJR are to replicate !!
So instead of asking him anything more to do, I should ask him "how to" tune ANY transformer to get the super-efficiency

Did I miss where he explained the procedure to determine the capacitors to put in parallel with the coils, to tune the device ?
I suppose we need to include a voltage regulator to stabilize the output voltage from the battery, to keep the circuit at sweet spot.

- toroid cores are definitely a NO WAY in undeveloped countries, so Peanutbutter is offering us THE alternative
- oscilloscopes are also a NO WAY, even here I can't find an oscilloscope nor anyone knowing how to use one

Being able to "retrofit" any standard square form transformer would be great. And being able to tune it without an oscilloscope would be the greatest thing. Then everyone could have a go, all over the world.
People could just download the procedure file in open source, and make their own, where ever they live

As I understand the tuning depend of the load. So, as this LED bulbs are still quite expensive and RARE there, people could just build their own, from bunches of small LED, and tune their SJR with that specific load.

I think the story is becoming very hopeful with this SJRs !!! I am so excited ! If we can do without oscilloscope, then even myself will be able to start such a project !! Unbelievable ! ahahaha

Seriously, LED bulbs sold are using twice less power than a CFL, but driving them even 2 or 3 times more efficiently with a SJR would be very great !

PS : I thought about solar cell to measure Pout of devices because "here" it's very difficult and expensive to put a hand on a Lux meter !! My own experience confirming it. While solar panels are available and quite cheap for small sizes ... my 2 cts again

[PhysicsProf]

I appreciate your enthusiasm, Jules!

"Peanutbutter is making more and more easy to replicate videos, with off the shelf parts, already tuned !!! DIY Super Joule Ringer 2.0 "Tuned"!!! Parts common! 16-20w!! 15.00 cost! lights 6-9 LEDs - YouTube He is amazing !!

Of course many people will be interested to light their multiroom house with that little 1.3A current from a car battery, 15W Pin for 6 to 9 bulbs !!!

What about people living in a single room (most of the poors), they need only 1 lamp. A 7W LED bulb is very suitable to light brightly one 15sq. m room.

Right. Can you provide a link where Peanutbutter is posting in a forum? (is he still posting?)

[b_rads]

Could you imagine this?

cheap way to enhance illumination sun power in day time plus solar and JR in the evening FOR THE THIRD WORLD TO ENJOY

Solar Light bub Day & Night Lighting 0180512 - YouTube

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Solar bottle-bulbs bring light to Filipinos - YouTube

Solar Light Bulb - YouTube

What if these people had access to mineral oil.

DIY FIBER OPTIC FLUID mineral oil DIY fibre optic lighting - YouTube

You could have heat, hot water, and light.

Edit Add: Here is a short video of the Lasersaber circuit and the LynxSteam Joule lamp. This is my replication. LynxSteam has a youtube channel and is posting this information at ou.

Air Core - Lynx Joule Lamp - Replication

Sorry for the abrupt end - ran out of space on the camera. Hope you enjoy.

[PhysicsProf]

I enjoyed the vid, thanks b-rads. Good comments, all.

In post #1178, I talked about a simple light-box built for quantitative light-output measurements. Here's more, hopefully helpful.

I've plotted the data points for the calibration of my light-box-2.
The plot shows the linearity of the response in Lux for various Lumens output, with Lumens given on the packaging for each bulb.

The slope of the graph is the conversion factor FOR THIS LIGHT BOX. You should do such a quick plot for each light box you build. For this one, the conversion factor is 0.08(0) Lumens/Lux.

Now I can put an unknown light source in there, such as a bulb during Lynx-Lamp or LaserSaber Joule Ringer testing, and actually measure the Lumens! I will be able to tell if the light is actually getting brighter or dimmer as I change things like the tap on the primary.

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Liquid Led in a Solar Light Bulb DIY 190512

Liquid Led in a Solar Light Bulb DIY 190512 - YouTube
DIY liquid led as explained from the link below

The Liquid Light Bulb from Switch on Greentech Media TV.mp4 - YouTube

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[Jules Tresor]

2 coils resonance

Is it what Peanutbutter is doing withe SJR, tuning coils to get that same effect as here ? Energy Propagation - YouTube
The creator of the video answers here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ce-simple.html

PButter says in a video that SJR frequency is multiple of 60Hz. Is it related to his power supply plugged in 60Hz grid power ?
If we could use a small incandescent bulb in series with SJR variable resistor to find the resonance point of the transformer, what a great simple and visual solution it would be

@Prof : Sorry I have no idea where PButter could be posting, I read on OU.com that he wanted to stop forums ... But he answers to comments below his videos.

[Jules Tresor]

Comparing Joule Ringer with Dual Battery

I like to compare circuits

[Peanutbutter29]

Hello. I figured I would make an account to answer questions if I can. I do watch this and I commented I'm hoping to get professor physics light box setup soon. I did mess up and get the lux meter from Hong Kong instead of US (Doh!), so it will be a couple of weeks.

@Joules oh my wow! I did not realize some were excited about this circuit, nor had I considered areas that can use this now. That is a good point.
I'd mainly looked at these as a "just in case" there was a time without common power. I assume 12v will be common and LED's are becoming that way fast.

For tuning I can try and offer some tips that I've noticed with the 5 versions so far. I DO use the audibility of the operation to help too, so there is a "feel" about it. I'm looking for a particular smooth sound now, that is hard to describe. However, my first took about 10hours straight to tune (SJRC 1.0) and these last two I'm down to about 4 hours. I don't have a huge supply of parts though, as I'd stopped my research a long while ago.

My results up until and including the Toroidal v1.1; led me to the possibility of a 50w appx. 120-12 or 24v may work for a small possible size. Though, these are not probably wound the most favorably.

I suppose I want to state that I do not feel there's overunity here (and why I've never stated such); in the utmost sense, just an efficiency of operation.

My hope for these last versions was to make this something easy for many to accomplish or re-create. Also, I'm hoping for others to verify or dispute what I'm seeing. I've done all the testing I have at my disposal, but still will not have removed all personal doubt without another verification. My self and a life mentor of mine, both tend to look for errors first; rather than expect something unknown.

Last, yes. I am no longer posting at OU, though I stick to myself a lot; so it's more a personal thing. I really debated about not posting anything, as I don't look for money or attention; however, I did not want to leave ONLY showing transformers that may be hard to find. As I mentioned, I felt somewhat unfinished. There is one other thing, I'm working on here too, but is taking a while; so that will be a bit.

Sorry to ramble and I don't plan to post here much, but I will watch to answer or be around if needed. I think I covered it all .
Sincerely, PB

EDIT: At Prof.Physics; how should I arrange for testing 6 bulbs? Since my circuits are designed for such and I've shown almost the same current draw with one bulb. I was thinking of making a box that contained just one in the set? I could then shift from bulb to bulb to ensure each is the same (or similar). I cannot think of a way (even with parabola's) to get an even light distribution on to a single light meter with 6 or more bulbs.

[Jules Tresor]

Welcome Pb !

Welcome, welcome, welcome PB ! I am so glad you came to visit us !

Of course your circuit is VERY IMPORTANT, it will save a lot of expenses to many people. They'll need a much smaller solar installation to recharge their batteries, and smaller batteries too ! It could divide per 2 or 3 the initial investment. It will give access to clean lighting to people that couldn't afford it before !!!

It's such a good feeling to see such a qualified person joining the forum !

I agree with you that it might just be a way to drive LEDs very efficiently, but it's because the LED bulbs sold are of low efficiency compared to those that they have in laboratory.
There might be no OU, but at least there is less Pin used ! And the collapsing pulse is used too, sent through the load !
So the SJR is more efficient than "classical" circuits by using more of the energy sent in, and also it might be taking the LEDs to a much higher efficiency with this current-less (cold) high voltage back spike !?

The only risk of drawback I can see would be a shortening of the lifespan of the LEDs ... Except that it seems ALL BENEFIT so far

It's impressive to read that you put so many hours to tune your devices, your are definitely opening a new road that not many people could have done
Again WELCOME PB ! And THANK YOU !
Jules

[PhysicsProf]

Hello. I figured I would make an account to answer questions if I can. I do watch this and I commented I'm hoping to get professor physics light box setup soon. I did mess up and get the lux meter from Hong Kong instead of US (Doh!), so it will be a couple of weeks.
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EDIT: At Prof.Physics; how should I arrange for testing 6 bulbs? Since my circuits are designed for such and I've shown almost the same current draw with one bulb. I was thinking of making a box that contained just one in the set? I could then shift from bulb to bulb to ensure each is the same (or similar). I cannot think of a way (even with parabola's) to get an even light distribution on to a single light meter with 6 or more bulbs.

First, let me say how much I appreciate your videos and contributions!
And I'm excited that you will be putting together a light box soon.

To hand 6 or more bulbs: USE A BIGGER BOX, AND CALIBRATE WITH KNOWN-LUMENS BULBS.

Let me explain further. Take a look at the attached photo with THREE bulbs in it, using a power-strip and plug-in adapters for three bulbs. Everything has to be securely "plugged in" for good electrical contact, and the power-strips should be taped to the bottom of the box so they won't shift around.

For 6 or more bulbs, I would recommend the power-strip approach and use THREE power strips on the bottom of a larger box. Suggest a Xerox-box size or larger, lined with shiny foil on the inside, and easy-to-open lid.

The crucial thing is that you calibrate with the SAME number of light bulbs in the SAME positions as in your test.

And for calibrating, suggest you use known-lumens and wattages to "bracket" what you use on the test. So, you might use 6 40 W bulbs and 6 100 W bulbs, also the same LED bulbs you will use for the test, but run at their RATED volts and watts in (off the grid) in order to calibrate the box for those bulbs. Then do a graph like I did of Lumens (rated) on the y-axis and observed LUX from your meter on the x-axis. Hopefully close to a straight line as I found. (You might want to review my vid and further discussion -- my posts on previous pages.)

Then, with your TEST bulbs, you can measure the Lux and find that on the line -- and trace over to the y-axis to get your Lumens output. With your power input measurement, you can finally divide to get Lumens/Watt, and we can start seeing how well we are doing with various circuit changes and bulbs and so on.

[Peanutbutter29]

Thank you all for the warm welcome and good comments. I'm not really used to this and don't know how to properly respond. I feel a bit, that I owe everyone something for all their good wishes.

I suppose I'd stopped research back in the day from frustration, a lot of things I worked on, would never "do" anything. I've got an odd logic at times, so to me (even though I enjoyed researching) I'd considered much a waste of my time; since nothing came of the effort. I've since, made efforts to avoid researching and instead; find areas to get enjoyment where I don't expect a resulting utilization. Even before I researched and had a Marine store I tried to make things and never got them out. I made some nice skimmers, an actual "mount on tank" automatic frozen fish food feeder and even an automatic phytoplankton doser / reactor (supposedly impossible in a closed system). I suppose we did help a couple professors and an environmental company, but only released one item; which was a Montmorillonite (sp) additive.
My research was sparked by a customer at the store who began approaching me with science / physics questions; after he learned we were good at Marine. The first question he proposed was related to "lifters" and so my research there and into Tesla etc began. When my store closed I'd gotten lifters to about 2gm per watt of lift (equal to heli's). I designed a lifter kit with supply (help of Steve Ward) and the "customer" was supposed to get a investor, but never did. This "customer" now hired me as an engineer.
Now my boss, I was directed to a horde of other areas. For him, he was looking to make lots of money fast. For me, I was getting paid to research and I loved it. My first task there, he pointed me to a system to "leach" gold from electronic scrap and recover the gold. He said, "they want 300K for the system and 10% royalty. I want you to make this for less money". I did get a process and system able to recover as low as 100mg with 99% recovery of 24ct. By then, I'd suggested just mechanical processing and refining of scrap; so I began that system (for less than 250K was my target, lol). Finally that was completed for design and even utilized Ferro-fluid gravity separation from working with a professor in the UK. However, now he was on to gold mining and recovery. So, I had to research mines and tailing recovery systems. I did get to go look at a few mines and hot springs which was fun there, but otherwise we just improved a shaker, jig and had an 80% recovery system designed.
At this point, since he'd realized most mines have already been re-processed; he was on to Hydrogen augmentation. So, I researched the various systems he found and other aspects related to H2 with engines. My final presentation to him here, was a "proof of concept ready" design for a fully hydrogen run scooter. The only engineering necessary was the engine and it could be marketed for 20K to start. Solar charge for H2, PEM, solid H2 tanks on board etc.
And about this time, we was chased off by the FED's as he was running from a few fraud charges. I was left in a remote city with no money or vehicle and had to beg my way home.

This is when I decided to stop researching and I haven't picked it up until recently. Also, this is why I don't have lots of stuff around anymore either. I know that's a long ramble, but maybe it can help with understanding and why I say research was frustrating.

I must say, I've really enjoyed playing with these circuits and I've tried to thank Lasersaber several times, since he got enough spark for me to pick something up again. The fact that these could provide some use, would almost satisfy a wish I've had for a long time. For if it is used, then it is real and was worth the effort. I don't care to get money, or make a business (never again!), heck I don't even care if anyone knows where it came from. Just that it may be an improvement and used is enough for me.

I'm going to have to come up with something to thank everyone, somehow.

Okay, I'm sorry for talking on long here and I hope I didn't have a foot in my mouth too much.

@Jules. With the LED lifetimes, I'm actually not too worried with these dimmable ones'. They, "feel" as if they are running well and don't heat as much. Heat really is what shortens these LED's from what I understand.
With compacts on the other hand, I would assume the circuit will fry quicker; though they are designed with obsolescence from operation temp and low Hr Electrolytics.

I have a personal grudge against compacts, since I had my store. I much prefer a Metal Halide or VHO over compacts ANY day. PC's are hot, they change color, they have poor life and now they are even cheaper!? Also, we ran 10-20 watts per gallon on our coral tanks (1200w on a 120g).

@Physics Prof (heh, got it the right way this time) ty for the recommendation for 6 bulbs. It's also nice I can see the pics now, lol. I'll try the multi spike bar in a bigger box as you suggest.
For reference, I plan then, to use the 7.5w LED and a set of 13w compacts for "line voltage" reference, okay here?
Also, you note to run (off the grid).....do you mean; do the "line voltage" test on an inverter then? I was planning on watt metering the A/C main. Should I get an inverter then instead? I have all my solar stuff already (1kw in panels, mppt) minus inverter and batts. Was planning on full sine inverter and Trojan batts, but do not have yet. So, I can get the inverter if you prefer that setup.

Thanks again all for the welcome and good comments. I'm VERY sorry for being long.

oh @ minoly. Why I chose peanutbutter, it just was literally what popped into my head when making my first account with it. Has no real reason, but I suppose That is reason enough for me .

Thank you much,
PB

EDIT: @ Minoly....Junk meter ay,...wha'dya sayin? Hehe, naw I agree with you for "proof of concept" as that's similar to what I was doing with my crummy old meter. Though, I would like to "pin down" a more accurate number for both sanity and to just know. I suppose a digital meter may help better tune as my analog isn't as accurate. Having the analog did help when tuning where I could not easily not the changes with my eye.