If we find free energy, then what?

[JasonD]

Just a question I want to throw out there.

Let's say someone from this forum figures out a real source of free, clean abundant energy that is universally accessible. What next? Does the person who has the break through in his/her garage while burning the midnight oil share their discovery? Because if they have a miraculous discovery, surely it will be in part because of the community discussion happening here. Or is it more the situation of the first one to the patent office wins? In that case the discussion that are happening here are more information leaching and not really sharing. Is it the case where one shares just enough information to get some help, but not enough information so that another user could replicate the apparatus being talked about? I think it is an important question to ask oneself because are some serious advantages and disadvantages to these ways of perceiving how this forum should operate and what one expects to get out of being a contributing member of the forum. I ask to try to get a sense of how this community perceives itself. Are we truly an open forum or are we only willing to be just open enough to get "unstuck" in our own personal free energy pursuits. If we don't know the answer to this question we will certainly squander any technological breakthroughs we have. So I humbly ask the question to all forum members again, if we stumble upon a secret of free energy, what are we to do with that?

Now there is always a group of people who are out for themselves and are completely gripped in fear to fully share their ideas or plans. I understand this situation and hope that it is something that isn't a life long infliction for these people. I would encourage this group to take a risk, the gains could be immeasurable. There are really no way to make any plan with this group, because the plan is secrecy and self gain.

But if this forum is really an open community for the full realization of free energy technology, do we have a plan for after the breakthrough? How does a community bring forth these ideas for real prosperity of the average Joe? God knows how many times an idea has been bought off, or suppressed, or threatened. Maybe we should take this time to come up with a well thought out plan that would make it difficult for other interests to cover up. A comprehensive plan could take a long time and could take a considerable amount of energy to come up with.

Anyone here have any experiences with this or have given thought to how we as a group can thwart those that would have our efforts dashed?

[Dave45]

Going to the patent office is the wrong thing to do, free energy will not come through the patent office you either sell out or.
Greed has kept free energy from the people greed of the inventor and greed of the government, the only way free energy will come about is by the inventor giving it away, spam the net or it will never reach the people.
David

[ibpointless2]

It is better to die with your idea's out their in the public domain then to die with you idea.

[toranarod]

power to the people

The first Free energy device that give abundant supply of power to the mass population with out the need to buy power any more will bring the economy of the world to total collapse, Its will shift the power base from the people that control the planet right now.
And those people who control this planet would rather destroy it than had over control or lose there control.
But it will happen. Not if but When.
The patent office is full of better ways to produce power than we are currently doing. They are all under lock and key and classified strict military importance.

So I say lets all work together pool our ideas and bring energy out of the dark ages and free the people from these control freaks. Lets put greed aside and work for something better than just personal gain.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

[bugwithjug]

This question feels like someone is jumping to the second step without completing the first step. Given, it's an interesting "thought experiment," I think most of us are focused on the first step. i.e. creating a "free energy device." I don't like to tackle a problem like this because it has too many undefined variables, but here's an attempt.
The real answer is that we're not really sure what to do if we achieve our energy goals. Some of us have vague ideas how to carry out our discoveries, but for the most part, people are focused on the task at hand; producing efficient electrical energy from any means possible. From my perspective, as an open source engineer, I would release the information to every news outlet possible, including reproducible experiments. I would use all available media to communicate my discovery. Nothing less would do.
With that said, I know too much about human behavior to think that others would do the same. Some will, some won't, including members of this forum. We can use mathematics to predict what will happen, but really, really we can't predict what any of us would do with the technology.
What makes you pose this question to the forum? I would like to know. Maybe you just need a little inspiration to continue. I know I do every once in a while. Oh, and I also have several "energy devices"/"electric art" sitting around in my shop.
What would you do if you had the technology?

[FRC]

I agree with Toranarod, That the economy would collapse. But then a new
type of economy would probably arise. Our current economy doesn't work.
Look at the world right now (or not very good at least). I live in an oil town
and things are pretty good here, so free energy would probably devastate
the local economy. However, I think the way to bring a free energy device
to the public, would be if possible to have something, with a reasonable price
$200.00 to $500.00, even if the output was not that great. Not have it patented (open source) , have a large network, that could all at once, start
selling them and flood the market with them, so as to avoid suppression. Once
enough people got a hold of them, there would be no turning back. The genie
would be out of the bottle. Then we advance from there.

FRC

[bugler]

If I found a way to produce free energy I would start selling home devices to family and friends. Then their friends & family will see they have free energy and more people will come to buy the device.

No patent, no ads, no publicity at all but mouth to mouth sales. In this way it won't be stopped right before getting to the public. In no time many people will have it and it will be unstoppable.

I think this is the way to go.

[Roland]

It really seems that a discovery should be open sourced, in multiple locations, at the same time, all the details, and testing, of a design included. The inventor could sell books with short cuts, kits, and miscellaneous parts... The inventor could also accept donations from those who benefit from the invention. I believe this could be the win win course of action for an inventor with minimal cost to them.

Now, there is one question. If some one invents a inexpensive cheap/free energy device. They open source it and do as i mention above, can they be sewed by someone somewhere who possibly has a patent similar to it?
I guess im asking how can someone know that there is not a patent out there that may cover their invention without spending thousands of dollars?


To a large degree I agree with FRC and Toranorod. The effect on the worlds economy could be huge, But that would be mainly be dependent on how fast the technology is accepted on a large scale.
We are still talking "IF" it is discovered, and for all purposes it is already here. Yet even in this small, enlightened, community it is not accepted completely. So i truly question how big the impact on the economy will be. It appears that acceptance will be relatively slow.

[Iotayodi]

You cant avoid laws. In order to sell any electrical device,and especially a single power source to power homes, it has to be approved for sale to the public if mass produced. Ac/heat/Refrigeration and stoves use the most power. Out of all of them Heat is the most critical for the World masses.
I think the most efficient way,at the moment,and by the laws already in place, is to use an efficient engine ran generator. Hho would be nice but a multiple flywheel and electromagnet scheme would seem to work. Im surprised it hasnt been done already.

[bugler]

You cant avoid laws. In order to sell any electrical device,and especially a single power source to power homes, it has to be approved for sale to the public if mass produced. Ac/heat/Refrigeration and stoves use the most power. Out of all of them Heat is the most critical for the World masses.
I think the most efficient way,at the moment,and by the laws already in place, is to use an efficient engine ran generator. Hho would be nice but a multiple flywheel and electromagnet scheme would seem to work. Im surprised it hasnt been done already.

There ways around laws.

You can find people willing to help test the device. You are not selling anything but leasing (or something) the device to be tested. Customers will take the role of research partners.

[caru]

There ways around laws.

You can find people willing to help test the device. You are not selling anything but leasing (or something) the device to be tested. Customers will take the role of research partners.

I agree. Also selling kits is a good way to leave all the responsibility to the buyer...

[Savvypro]

Memberships/Private clubs are also another way to cut through unnecessary red tape.

On the then what questions, based on past results keeping the secret and trying to make trillions doesn't work as people have been killed, scared off or paid off (you could say they are the lucky ones).

Releasing the information would have to be done in such a way that it instantly becomes public knowledge. Tom Bearden in one of the energy of the vacuums dvd tells how he did it with a discovery. However it sill didn’t get a working device into the hands of the masses.

Which means it may have to involve multiple approaches - depending on the “free energy” method/device.

A combination of kits, plans and release of information may be the way to go.

[cikljamas]

excuse me

Do not get me wrong but i think we are bunch of idiots !

Why ?

Because now in INTERNET era we have unique chance to help each other
to realize that OU goal, things are already made, for example this one :
see attachment !

Why do not we just help each other to make it and than every one spread it through his own channels ????????????????????????????????????

We should pick out one thing and make it, and publish every single
detail about it and that is it. And there is one other important thing :
We should use right one thing not wrong one, otherwise we lose precious time !!! Do you think that those guys who demolished wtcs are
not able to demolish internet too ?????? Seize the day, do not waste our
precious time !!!!!!!!!! It is your chance too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your selfish
behaviour will destroy you too !!! Be certain of it !

Lets agree first what is that right thing !
I propose this attachment one !

Lets roll, because these mother #$#ers have been rolling us already
100 years, and with what result ?...They lead us to selfdestruction !
Is it finally time to stop this terror ?
Give your contribution, because you wont leave forever no metter how
reach you are, and if you are not reach do not try to become reach in
this "patented" way because you are going just to destroy yourself
and your idea with you !

So, there is no other way but publish it if you have something with
which you could help us !!!

[bugler]

I asked Peter several weeks ago what his view on the most interesting devices to invest our time on them.

He said he would give a comprenhensive answer. Hi must be very busy with the selling of the recent conference articles, videos, etc. Let's hope we hear his views soon.

I uploaded the image in his right orientation:

[cikljamas]

I asked Peter several weeks ago what his view on the most interesting devices to invest our time on them.

He said he would give a comprenhensive answer. Hi must be very busy with the selling of the recent conference articles, videos, etc. Let's hope we hear his views soon.

I uploaded the image in his right orientation:

Thanks bugler for your uploaded image in its right orientation !
Does it mean you agree with me regarding my choice of the
right device ?

Cheers !