Peter Davey Heater

[wrtner]

How far did you get with a working model? When you say 'These devices' what do you mean?

-Core

I mean guitar tuners.

There are definitely three Davey associated devices:

1. The device in his patent 92428 which does not mention mains tuning at all
2. The beer cans that they are working on in the other Davey thread.
3. The bicycle bells device, which he tuned to ring three octaves upon his mains (which was 50Hz) namely 400Hz.

[Core]

I mean guitar tuners.

There are definitely three Davey associated devices:

1. The device in his patent 92428 which does not mention mains tuning at all
2. The beer cans that they are working on in the other Davey thread.
3. The bicycle bells device, which he tuned to ring three octaves upon his mains (which was 50Hz) namely 400Hz.

With all due respect you are spreading misinformation. Where is it written that Davey tuned to ring to 400Hz?

Also three octaves above 50hz is not 400hz or even close. Three octaves is 150Hz. Four hundred is 8 octaves over 50Hz.

-Core

[Guruji]

Music frequency

Hi Core ok than you are very informed regarding music intonation cause you're a musician. That's very good. I read on Davey documents that the device works even with one bell tuned.
Thanks

[RAMSET]

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Chet

[boguslaw]

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Chet

Ramset my friend Greetings from " tarzan"


Here is my theory how it may work : electric current is kind of sound wave and can produce higher harmonic when using resonant circuit and standing wave. This device is doing that directly in water so instead of 50 or 60Hz AC current there is also a lot of higher harmonics (and seems third harmonic is the bigger if we trust Tesla - interestingly why ? ) - exactly like in plasma spark gap in air. Because power is related to frequency - time required to boil water is shortened a lot ! And that's all. No energy is magically created (except maybe from harmonics which are not completely understood) - just time to boil water is drastically small. if Don Smith formula is correct then in the best scenario it should take 64 less times to boil water using this device then using stricly 50Hz AC current (yet still current could be the same in both cases).

[wrtner]

With all due respect you are spreading misinformation. Where is it written that Davey tuned to ring to 400Hz?

Also three octaves above 50hz is not 400hz or even close. Three octaves is 150Hz. Four hundred is 8 octaves over 50Hz.

-Core

If you want to accuse me of spreading disinformation, you must be
accurate, and you must know your stuff.

Three octaves is EXACTLY 400Hz.

Let me spell it out for you:
Fundamental: 50Hz. Doubling this gives the next octave:
Ist octave: 100Hz
2nd octave: 200Hz
3rd octave: 400Hz
and so on.

As for Davey tuning to the 400Hz octave, get yourself a bicycle
bell, and hit it with a hammer, and listen to it. It is that simple.
There is NO ALTERNATIVE octave that he could have used.
It is the G that is three frets up the highest string of a guitar.
Go to a music shop and see for yourself.

[RAMSET]

A Complete yet pleasant surprise!!

boguslaw

What A surprise!! I will be smiling all day over that one!

Thank you!!

For this one Too
Quote:
64 less times to boil water !!

Your friend
Chet

[Guruji]

If you want to accuse me of spreading disinformation, you must be
accurate, and you must know your stuff.

Three octaves is EXACTLY 400Hz.

Let me spell it out for you:
Fundamental: 50Hz. Doubling this gives the next octave:
Ist octave: 100Hz
2nd octave: 200Hz
3rd octave: 400Hz
and so on.

As for Davey tuning to the 400Hz octave, get yourself a bicycle
bell, and hit it with a hammer, and listen to it. It is that simple.
There is NO ALTERNATIVE octave that he could have used.
It is the G that is three frets up the highest string of a guitar.
Go to a music shop and see for yourself.

Hi wrtner regarding 400hz three frets up the highest guitar string I don't think so cause middle A is 440hz so then 400hz is octave lower than you mentioned.

[boguslaw]

Ok,I will explain how I got that idea....

Don Smith stated that power is proportional to square of frequency.

I took typical time 180 seconds (3 minutes) which I need to boil water in my 1.5L electric kettle (using 2400W of power )

from Smith reference the factor now with jumping up from 50Hz to 400Hz current should be :
400^2/50^2= 160000/2500=64

ideal time required to boil 1.5L of water using 400hz should then be 180/64=less then 3 seconds !!

Assuming not ideal situation and multiplying it by 2 it means 6 seconds for 6 glasses of water, which means around 1 second for one glass of water.

Of course it is all speculation but now return back and see in video again how Peter Davey is boiling one (no full) glass of water INSTANTLY

[wrtner]

Hi wrtner regarding 400hz three frets up the highest guitar string I don't think so cause middle A is 440hz so then 400hz is octave lower than you mentioned.

I have lost my A (440) tuning fork which is a nuisance but I am
pretty certain that the A at the fifth fret of the highest string
is, indeed, that particular A.

And so, it is sense that the G which is approx 400 is two frets lower.

If you ring a bicycle bell, it will sound like that third fret on the highest
string. Try it. That has to be the octave that Peter Davey was working to.

Paul-R

[Guruji]

I have lost my A (440) tuning fork which is a nuisance but I am
pretty certain that the A at the fifth fret of the highest string
is, indeed, that particular A.

And so, it is sense that the G which is approx 400 is two frets lower.

If you ring a bicycle bell, it will sound like that third fret on the highest
string. Try it. That has to be the octave that Peter Davey was working to.

Paul-R

Hi wrtner the A at the fifth fret on highest string is octave higher of the middle A 440hz I'm sure of this cause I play a bit guitar although I'm a violinist. Yes maybe the Davey bicycle bell is octave higher than middle A.

[wrtner]

Hi wrtner the A at the fifth fret on highest string is octave higher of the middle A 440hz I'm sure of this cause I play a bit guitar although I'm a violinist. Yes maybe the Davey bicycle bell is octave higher than middle A.

The guitar's highest string, when open, E, is 320Hz (approx)
Guitar tunings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This means that the twelve fret will be one octave more, i.e.
double the frequncy, about 640hz or thereabouts.

Your A, 440Hz, must be in between these two. It is at the fifth.

It doesn't really affect our work, though. The main thing is to have
bells that can be tuned to any convenient octave (NOT harmonic)
of the mains frequency. I contend that the average bicycle bell
on the street will ring at approximately the third fret of the
highest string of a guitar. This fret is around the 400Hz mark, and
is three octaves above the mains note, 50Hz (for UK users and
people in NZ and several other countries but NOT the USA).

I still believe the best way is to get a hefty resistor in series with
a cheap loudspeaker and put them across your mains. Then tune
your bells to this note. (GET YOUR SUMS RIGHT OR YOU WILL
SMOKE THE L.S.).

Tuning three octaves apart is not that easy. There is a lot to be
said for asking a sound engineer, if available, to help or someone
knowledgeable in a music shop.



Paul-R

[RAMSET]

From Master Plaster at OU And OUR

A very Good read VERY
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A very informative patent from this August .

MasterBlaster



Re: DISSOCIATION OF THE WATER MOLECULE



Re:- water resonance

http://www.google.com/patents/downlo...erview_r&cad=0

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Chet

[MonsieurM]

A very Good read VERY
-------------------
A very informative patent from this August .

MasterBlaster



Re: DISSOCIATION OF THE WATER MOLECULE



Re:- water resonance

http://www.google.com/patents/downlo...erview_r&cad=0

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Chet

interesting info RAMSET thanks

[Guruji]

The guitar's highest string, when open, E, is 320Hz (approx)
Guitar tunings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This means that the twelve fret will be one octave more, i.e.
double the frequncy, about 640hz or thereabouts.

Your A, 440Hz, must be in between these two. It is at the fifth.

It doesn't really affect our work, though. The main thing is to have
bells that can be tuned to any convenient octave (NOT harmonic)
of the mains frequency. I contend that the average bicycle bell
on the street will ring at approximately the third fret of the
highest string of a guitar. This fret is around the 400Hz mark, and
is three octaves above the mains note, 50Hz (for UK users and
people in NZ and several other countries but NOT the USA).

I still believe the best way is to get a hefty resistor in series with
a cheap loudspeaker and put them across your mains. Then tune
your bells to this note. (GET YOUR SUMS RIGHT OR YOU WILL
SMOKE THE L.S.).

Tuning three octaves apart is not that easy. There is a lot to be
said for asking a sound engineer, if available, to help or someone
knowledgeable in a music shop.



Paul-R

Hi wrtner you're right the guitar sounds an octave lower not like the violin. So yes the higher string of the guitar is same as lower E on violin. Yes so higher than that is the middle A 440hz