Peter Davey Heater

[wrtner]

Bicycle bells.

It should be mentioned that they vary a lot. A small
change in the diameter will make a big difference to
the note sounded.


They are not the same. But the one I tested was
very close indeed to 400hz.

[Guruji]

Bicycle bells.

It should be mentioned that they vary a lot. A small
change in the diameter will make a big difference to
the note sounded.


They are not the same. But the one I tested was
very close indeed to 400hz.

Is it possible to build a frequency generator with a 555 and reach that frequency? I tried once but could not higher frequency to 440hz with the 555
maybe I was doing something wrong.

[Core]

If you want to accuse me of spreading disinformation, you must be
accurate, and you must know your stuff.

Three octaves is EXACTLY 400Hz.

Let me spell it out for you:
Fundamental: 50Hz. Doubling this gives the next octave:
Ist octave: 100Hz
2nd octave: 200Hz
3rd octave: 400Hz
and so on.

As for Davey tuning to the 400Hz octave, get yourself a bicycle
bell, and hit it with a hammer, and listen to it. It is that simple.
There is NO ALTERNATIVE octave that he could have used.
It is the G that is three frets up the highest string of a guitar.
Go to a music shop and see for yourself.

Yes you are right my apologies, I came off sounding a bit arrogant I'll eat my crow.

Other news...

Found a cheap desk lamp at Home Depot for $5.00. It has an excellent flexible neck on it. Hoping to take Friday off and finish an 'un-tuned' device. From here I'm looking to take some benchmark numbers for a baseline readings.

After that I'll take suggestions for tuning frequencies for the cup.

Core

[wrtner]

Yes you are right my apologies, I came off sounding a bit arrogant I'll eat my crow.

This is statesmanship. If we had more politicians like you, Core, the
planet wouldn't be in the mess it is in.

Paul-R.

[boguslaw]

Can someone somehow measure Peter Davey hand heater diameter ?
Did he tuned it to 50Hz or 400Hz ?
HOW he did that tunning ?

It may be more simple than we think,really.No magic higher frequency generation.

Here is continuation of this my last simple theory.

What is faster to boil ? cold water or very heat water which was boiled 5 minutes ago ?

Imagine a heater with a closed metal ball inside , around is water and you try to boil that water passing high AC current through it. Nothing extraordinary. Now let's assume that ball inside is a magic ball. It is somehow heated from inside (magic) to the temperature higher then boiling water 100C. Does it change something ? Yes, I think it will dramatically speed up boiling of water outside ball.
Am I wrong ?

Is that superheated steam kept inside can by sonic standing wave which outside is higher then 100C a bit and allow to heat the rest of water fairy quick ????

[boguslaw]

Look what I found under the video !
Peter Davey's Sonic Resonance Boiler - 02.2008 - YouTube

Look at comment , it has one important information.

[AhuraMazda]

Look what I found under the video !
Peter Davey's Sonic Resonance Boiler - 02.2008 - YouTube

Look at comment , it has one important information.

Thanks. You mean:

I met Peter a few occasions totally unrelated to his invention over the matter of years, and I remember him asking me to invest in his invention whihc I thought was pretty amazing, basically boiled water in a matter of seconds. However the one problem it had he mentioned was if you put any other liquid into the water such as milk and then tried to heat the water it didn't work! He could never work it out, hence wanting the investment! I last saw him in 2007.

[RAMSET]

What would milk do??

Funny another fellow claimed he lived with Peter For A year and he said if Salt was added the water would practically explode from the glass?

Obviously Conductivity played a role in the salt scenario !
Milk....... perhaps a Viscosity issue?
To me this gives a lot more credibility to the whole device ,a lot of folks claim "Resistive heat" It wouldn't matter if milk was added to a "resistive" heater!
Well at least it would not completely disable the resister heater?

Oh well we shall see!!

Thanks
boguslaw

Chet

[wrtner]

Can someone somehow measure Peter Davey hand heater diameter ?
Did he tuned it to 50Hz or 400Hz ?
HOW he did that tuning ?

His bowl must be between 2 - 4 inches in diameter. This will
almost certainly be 400hz. (A bowl ringing at 50hz will need
to be the size of a wok).

I believe he simply filed down the edge. One must remember that
in the last stages of tuning, the bowl should be fixed in position since
the fixing can alter the frequency that the bowl rings at.

[boguslaw]

That comment about milk seems to confirm my theory about steam role in device. Did you ever saw if milk when boiled is producing steam ?

[Guruji]

Funny another fellow claimed he lived with Peter For A year and he said if Salt was added the water would practically explode from the glass?

Obviously Conductivity played a role in the salt scenario !
Milk....... perhaps a Viscosity issue?
To me this gives a lot more credibility to the whole device ,a lot of folks claim "Resistive heat" It wouldn't matter if milk was added to a "resistive" heater!
Well at least it would not completely disable the resister heater?

Oh well we shall see!!

Thanks
boguslaw

Chet

Well said Ramset in observation. Milk will hold the bells from oscillation that's why it will not work.
This heater works with resonance; it's a sonofusion heater.

[wrtner]

That comment about milk seems to confirm my theory about steam role in device. Did you ever saw if milk when boiled is producing steam ?

I think it does.

Cavitation could be an important issue here. It is a weird business.
viz: John Worrell Keely.

[Cherryman]

I think it does.

Cavitation could be an important issue here. It is a weird business.
viz: John Worrell Keely.

You are suggesting it works by creating multiple tiny cavitation bubbles imploding continuously, creating heat?
A boat propellor suffers from cavitation, so maybe we could use the RPM of a boat propeller to work out a frequency/speed.

Ultrasonic irradiation of liquids causes acoustic cavitation: the formation, growth, and
implosive collapse of bubbles. Bubble collapse during cavitation generates transient
hot spots responsible for high-energy chemistry and emission of light. Determination
of the temperatures reached in a cavitating bubble has remained a difficult experimental
problem. As a spectroscopic probe of the cavitation event, sonoluminescence
provides a solution. Sonoluminescence spectra from silicone oil were reported and
analyzed. The observed emission came from excited state C2 (Swan band transitions,
d3Hi - A3HI), which has been modeled with synthetic spectra as a function of
rotational and vibrational temperatures. From comparison of synthetic to observed
spectra, the effective cavitation temperature was found to be 5075 ± 156 K.

Full pdf: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/25.../1397.full.pdf

If so, i think it might be visible in dark surroundings.





About the steam, milk produces steam as well. the resume only get a little more messy as water.

[wrtner]

You are suggesting it works by creating multiple tiny cavitation bubbles imploding continuously, creating heat?
A boat propellor suffers from cavitation, so maybe we could use the RPM of a boat propeller to work out a frequency/speed.

If so, i think it might be visible in dark surroundings.

Yes. Right on. Can anyone with a rig which is running try it in the dark and see if there is an "eerie glow"?

But the frequency issue is a red herring. The frequency is determined by
our local mains frequency if the device is to have convenient and practical
operation.

There is no reason why one should not drive the device with a frequency of choice. Useful if we have bowls perfectly tuned to a frequency which is not mains frequency. But in practice, this new frequency will have to be supplied to the user, a big nuisance and expense. This idea was mooted at the UK Free Energy Conference in 2008. - Determine the bowls' frequency and supply it via an amp.

[Cherryman]

Yes. Right on. Can anyone with a rig which is running try it in the dark and see if there is an "eerie glow"?

But the frequency issue is a red herring. The frequency is determined by
our local mains frequency if the device is to have convenient and practical
operation.

There is no reason why one should not drive the device with a frequency of choice. Useful if we have bowls perfectly tuned to a frequency which is not mains frequency. But in practice, this new frequency will have to be supplied to the user, a big nuisance and expense. This idea was mooted at the UK Free Energy Conference in 2008. - Determine the bowls' frequency and supply it via an amp.

I'm not a frequency expert, but could it be as simple as hooking a small scale setup to and audio amplifier, plugging in your PC output (preferably optical) and start a frequency generator program stepping up frequency and observe liquid and temps? This way we bypass the tuning of the object, instead we tune too the object.

Or is the frequency range of an audio amplifier not wide enough?


About observing the light shine, when in a totall dark, a simple webcam can help, or almost any other digital cam, as they see infrared as well, it could help.