Peter Davey Heater

[boguslaw]

I'm not a frequency expert, but could it be as simple as hooking a small scale setup to and audio amplifier, plugging in your PC output (preferably optical) and start a frequency generator program stepping up frequency and observe liquid and temps? This way we bypass the tuning of the object, instead we tune too the object.

Or is the frequency range of an audio amplifier not wide enough?


About observing the light shine, when in a totall dark, a simple webcam can help, or almost any other digital cam, as they see infrared as well, it could help.

This is the right idea The problem is with amplifier power maybe, that's all.
Does it work for 200W of power ? Yes,I think it should for higher frequencies. Resonant cavity would be then smaller and less water but for testing it is ideal ! I wish I could have variable frequency sinewave generator and 200-500W audio amplifier !

[Core]

I think it does.

Cavitation could be an important issue here. It is a weird business.
viz: John Worrell Keely.

Cavitation is interesting, I've seen large pump impellers, brass, stainless, and steel, get destroyed in a short period of time.

I found this site: what_is_ultrasonic_cavitation

Here is a quote from the site.

Sound waves are composed of 2 actions; and expansion cycle during which the liquid molecules are being pulled apart, and a compression cycle, during which the molecules are being compressed. If the expansion cycle of the wave has enough energy to overcome the forces which hold the molecules of liquid together, a cavity is produced. Immediately following the expansion cycle, the compression cycle follows, rapidly compressing the cavities created.

-Core

[Core]

Yes. Right on. Can anyone with a rig which is running try it in the dark and see if there is an "eerie glow"?

As it stands I'm about 3 - 6 working hours away from a complete un-tuned unit. The last few days I've had 0 hours available. Saturday is looking very promising.

-Core

[Core]

I'm not a frequency expert, but could it be as simple as hooking a small scale setup to and audio amplifier, plugging in your PC output (preferably optical) and start a frequency generator program stepping up frequency and observe liquid and temps? This way we bypass the tuning of the object, instead we tune too the object.

Or is the frequency range of an audio amplifier not wide enough?


About observing the light shine, when in a totall dark, a simple webcam can help, or almost any other digital cam, as they see infrared as well, it could help.

I was kinda thinking along the same line. I have an old keyboard and was thinking of using the 'Head phones' out to drive a transistor. Transistor would be feed with 120v DC. Pan Flute gives a nice clean sine wave. Possible? don't know.

-Core

[Core]

Look what I found under the video !
Peter Davey's Sonic Resonance Boiler - 02.2008 - YouTube

Look at comment , it has one important information.

There is another video here: Peter Davey

Check out the comment by user: ClwnJuNkY (1st one below video)

I have shot him several emails but have not gotten a response. If anyone wants to give it a try go ahead.

Another person, a professor of biology from Serbia, on this site: Shocking history of the revolutionary boiler which bits all possible records (in English) is using a 1% solution of potassium carbonate. Its my understanding that potassium carbonate increases conductivity? any comments?

Here is the quote:

In June 2009 I received an email from a professor of biology in Serbia. He also constructed another duplicate of the telekinetic heater on the basis of descriptions from this web page. In his email he informs that his duplicate of the heater in fact works as described here and really uses only 5% of electric energy. Around 2% of energy is consumed into the generation of hydrogen which releases huge amounts of energy.
This researcher claims also, that for the winter of 2009/10 he assembled the heater described here in his electric house heating installation, replacing with it the previously used resistance heater, and also replacing in his radiators the pure water by the 1% solution of potassium carbonate. He also claims, that in the result of this replacing, in winter his bills for the electricity decreased by over 60%. (Such a significant decrease of bills could occur only in case when the efficiency of this heater really is at least 3 times greater than the efficiency of a resistance heater.) Unfortunately, this researcher has NOT supplied me with any quantitative results of measurements, which would scientifically support his claims.

His email address is on the webpage as: nsavic60@yahoo.com If anyone is interested shoot him an email.


-Core

[Core]

Almost

Got some time to build today. Some odds and ends to complete and I can start tuning and testing.

For safety purposes I need to replace the brass coupler with a plastic one. This will allow me to grab the flexible neck with no risk.

-Core

Prototype 1 Pic

[Core]

Here is the cup layout.

[wrtner]

I was kinda thinking along the same line. I have an old keyboard and was thinking of using the 'Head phones' out to drive a transistor. Transistor would be feed with 120v DC. Pan Flute gives a nice clean sine wave. Possible? don't know.

-Core

Originally Posted by Cherryman:
"I'm not a frequency expert, but could it be as simple as hooking a small scale setup to and audio amplifier, plugging in your PC output (preferably optical) and start a frequency generator program stepping up frequency and observe liquid and temps? This way we bypass the tuning of the object, instead we tune too the object..."

This is interesting but not Peter Daysh Davey technology. I think this is
more John Worrell Keely. You may find that 42.8Khz is the business.

Since there is some capacitance around, there should be resonance
to be found, but the circuit should be adjusted to resonate at 42.8Khz
which can have an effect on the bonds of the water molecule.

You might get HHO gas coming off, a stochiometric mixture of hydrogen
and oxygen, which is SPECTACULARY DANGEROUS.

If this happens, and you are not familiar with HHO (also called hydroxy
gas, electrolysed for motor applications), remember:
1. Do NOT burn it
2. Do NOT store it
3. Do not compress it.

There is the possibility of blowing your ear drums and blowing a
wall clean out of a room.

It burns at a rate faster than the speed of sound and causes a shock wave.

The only recognised safe way to use this stuff is to generate in a car
and feed it directly into the carburettor where it will do wonders for
your MPG.

If you have any shamrock, now is the time to bring it out.

Paul-R

[Cherryman]

Originally Posted by Cherryman:
"I'm not a frequency expert, but could it be as simple as hooking a small scale setup to and audio amplifier, plugging in your PC output (preferably optical) and start a frequency generator program stepping up frequency and observe liquid and temps? This way we bypass the tuning of the object, instead we tune too the object..."

This is interesting but not Peter Daysh Davey technology. I think this is
more John Worrell Keely. You may find that 42.8Khz is the business.

Since there is some capacitance around, there should be resonance
to be found, but the circuit should be adjusted to resonate at 42.8Khz
which can have an effect on the bonds of the water molecule.

You might get HHO gas coming off, a stochiometric mixture of hydrogen
and oxygen, which is SPECTACULARY DANGEROUS.

If this happens, and you are not familiar with HHO (also called hydroxy
gas, electrolysed for motor applications), remember:
1. Do NOT burn it
2. Do NOT store it
3. Do not compress it.

There is the possibility of blowing your ear drums and blowing a
wall clean out of a room.

It burns at a rate faster than the speed of sound and causes a shock wave.

The only recognised safe way to use this stuff is to generate in a car
and feed it directly into the carburettor where it will do wonders for
your MPG.

If you have any shamrock, now is the time to bring it out.

Paul-R

Tnx for the warning, I do have some HHO or Brown gas experience. The hole in my ceiling is a silent witness of a previous mishap


Back to the subject:

I tried it yesterday, just a basic start setup to observe;

Stereo amplyfier: Marantz SR1020
Signal Generator: Visual analyzer 2011 Visual Analyser 2011 XE
Two thin stainless steel tubes in water (with and without Soda)

Just wanted to see IF something happened. (resonation, heat and/or HHO)
I did a few frequency sweeps.

Nothing happened, so I tried measuring the output on the speaker connections. I tried every position on my multimeter, but it seems I did blow a fuse on the multimeter. (Is that possible?)

So today I need to find out if I have a signal coming out my amplifier, I will have to find an old loudspeaker.

Not resonance but I was expecting at least something like this:

Audio generated HHO - YouTube

[Guruji]

Heater

Hi Core nice build. Does the neutral cup needed? Did you tune the cups again when connected? Yes for sure you should use plastic for more safety.
Thanks for sharing.

[wrtner]

I did a few frequency sweeps.

Did you have an ammeter connected in series with the electrodes?
or in the mains input circuit?

As you sweep, you may get a maximum or a minimum. One may go up
as the other goes down. Does the sweep get you to 42.8Khz?

Sometimes, the HHO takes a time to become visible. It should make
the liquid milky white.

[RAMSET]

Sure looks like it'll fly...........

Core
Thanks for taking the time and effort to share your hard work!!

I do believe you will Crack this with The skills we have here.

Chet
PS
Yes the Serbian link is Inspiring ,If one man alone can get it done
Imagine the OU Monster we can make as a group!

[wrtner]

So today I need to find out if I have a signal coming out my amplifier, I will have to find an old loudspeaker.

If you do not have one to hand, you could use an 8 Ohm or 16 Ohm
high wattage resistor. If the amplifier works, it will probably hum
a bit and certainly get warm.

don't tun the volume up much or you will blow the resistor and
when you are thenrunning on no load, blow the amp.

[Core]

Details....

Completed the touch-up work with the exception of the plastic coupling. I did have some hose that I ran over the flexible neck of the lamp. this for now will be sufficient.

Spent time making the tunable cup an EZ out setup. With my setup I am able to remove the tunable cup in less then 10 seconds. Even better I can swap out different cups just as fast.

I took some details from the original Davey Patent. Within the next week I will upload a build diagram for reference.

Here is the cup with the quick connect fitting. Also I'm hoping to test the un-tuned model at least by this Friday.

-Core

[RAMSET]

If I may ask??

Core
Whats that inside the cup??
Braided wire to nut to?

Thanks
Chet