Donald L. Smith

[Farmhand]

Thank for that lamar.

So what seem to me is that

L1 10 turns on 3" pvc pipe

L2 30 turns on a 2" pvc pipe

Measure the inductance of the L1 and provide a capacitor so it agree with the frequency of the 1/4 wave length of the L1 wire. For 10 feet the frequency will be 24,7 MHz so when you measure the inductance you must get a capacitor that with that inductance the resonant frequency is 24,7 MHz.

A spark gap between the capacitor and the coil must be provided.

The Capacitor come in parallel with the output of the HV module..

I missed this post. I think I should wind the L1 10 turns from some much
thicker wire. So as to keep with this configuration you posted above.
What do you think sebosfato ? L1 should be insulated wire ?

[sebosfato]

I missed this post. I think I should wind the L1 10 turns from some much
thicker wire. So as to keep with this configuration you posted above.
What do you think sebosfato ? L1 should be insulated wire ?

Sorry i think is 12,7 turns on the 3" Pvc pipe 10 feet (most important)

the secondary 20 feet. Make a markerl for 10 feet for you to know where is it.

I think you could use a flyback transformer. wind 20 turns as primary and provide a self oscillating circuit from a 12v dc... Or drive it with a simple 555 timer.. will be cheaper i think.

I think a way for measuring the frequency of the primary would be useful too so you can tune the capacitor to the frequency or the wavelength of the coil.

[Farmhand]

Capacitor Plate's

Hello gents, This looks promising, I read .27nF from two 100mm x 1.2mm aluminium plate's with a piece of plastic film in between the thick heavy duty clear plastic bag stuff. But the plate's have some holes in them, I should be able to mount them or some like them to be variable with small space, but I guess they will have to exceed breakdown distance.



Closer shot.I just stuck those bits of hose in there to keep them together.


The other thing on the table is a manual variable resistor I think, 10 ohms.


It seems if the capacitor has a radial action there will always be some of the plate's in a capacitive arrangement with each other, depending on the plate shape would determin how much capacitance and the increase curve as they come into alignment. Maybe I can use these plates ? Or I can make some.

Given that reading how big should I need the plates for maximum of maybe 4 x what I need?

How much voltage could a capacitor arrangement like that take ?

Maybe I could bond some film to each plate surface so they could rub together something like that ?

I know you keep showing me how to work it out with equations sebosfato, but the equations are very confusing to me. Any ball park figure you think ? The capacitance will reduce when they are mounted with an air gap as adjustable, so I should do that and see what I can get.

Cheers

[kcarring]

I am sorry for interrupting but I've read this entire thread and it just gets more and more interesting. Have I read this wrong, or are you going to wind two Tesla coils, basically, one being bifilar, with BARE wire? In attempt to partially short the coil and produce a runaway skin effect? Am I way off here, or is that what I read.

Thanks

[sebosfato]

Helo farmhand,

I think you should go for air capacitor not film given the very high frequencies.

Other think you should keep in mind is that There can be up to 20 amps between the cap and the coil.

So remember even if the capacitance is relatively small at 3kv and 20 amps you will have 60kwatts recirculating there.

So basically get two 1mm thick copper plates ( copper for easy of soldering) and simply adjust the distance between them. You can solder thick wires that support the plates so you can adjust them and let them in the position you want. Add a plastic support and something you can use to adjust without touching the plates, cause could be dangerous. I think a couple of 10*20cm plates are enough for a very wide range of capacitance. You can make such that it turns or that you vary the distance, is up to you.

The calculation is very easy, try to add that to exel and it do it for you.
Tomorrow i'll post an exel sheet for you so you can see how it works. You keep changing the values and it calculate everything for you from the capacitance to the power consumed and voltage...


Hi kcarring, you are not interrupting.

Yes is kind of a tesla coil, but have means for tuning the length of wire to the wave length of the resonant frequency.

I'm not sure what is runaway skin effect, but the idea from Don L.S. is that as the frequency is very high there will be a pronounced skin effect and he say that given certain conditions instead of becoming a impedance the skin effect create a kind of superconducting condition under ambient temperature.
He say that the electrons fly free in the air and therefore they don't lose energy in the resistance of the copper.

Yes something tell me that part of the secondary have a section shorted. I can be wrong.

I'm just trying to put my knowledge together with the info available to try understand and replicate and help others to replicate his device.

Is about generating energy almost from nothing well actually not from nothing nor is a new thing but is from the principles of old good physics.

I'm not completely sure, but my doubt about how questionable is the history, gives me the energy to keep studying and thinking about this all the time. I'm trying to make a better world. Come with us.



Good night
br

[kcarring]

He say that the electrons fly free in the air and therefore they don't lose energy in the resistance of the copper.

That's pretty much what I imagined and coined "runaway skin effect". That's very interesting.

Something quite amazing about aircore at high frequency pulses that's for sure. I've been pretty much dumbfounded by the amount of LED's and CFL's are getting lit up by jiffycoil, gBluer, Lidmotor circuits et all. Even my tiny little Exciter illuminated a 15 watt pretty bright at less than a third of a watt input. Bifilar aircore is high on my list to play with. Maybe John and Tom are right, maybe it is a vacuum pump when allowed to collapse. If it can separate water like Stan claimed, that'd be a miracle, for sure, one that we need. From everything I've ever read on SM replications though, you guys seem to be making some good headway. There is one fellow on youtube getting some high voltage production that doesn't look to be "nothing" (at low amps of course). I'll dig him up if you like. The more I read how you are treating the whole electrolyser like a capacitor the more it makes sense. If correct, it's not even really electrolysis. It's like a pulsed high frequency, high voltage Rife machine occurring in a capacitor environment.

[Farmhand]

Thanks sebosfato, I don't have any copper plate but I will get some as soon as I can, variable distance sounds good as long as it doesn't need be too big. Little bit big is OK for first go. Changing distance may also allow better tuning, actually I have an idea for a twist and in-out adjustment, set the gap for voltage or capacitance range then twist to fine tune. I'll try to make a sketch later.

I will keep playing with these round plates to make a multi plate radial twisting type one, at least untill I go to town for some copper plate. Can never have too many variable air caps. I hope I can find a easy way to make them good.

I'll be measuring some wire for a different project likely tommorow if it's not raining so i'll measure out the 10 feet and 20 feet lengths accuritly then for this.

Thank you very much for this.

The calculation is very easy, try to add that to exel and it do it for you.
Tomorrow i'll post an exel sheet for you so you can see how it works. You keep changing the values and it calculate everything for you from the capacitance to the power consumed and voltage...

Don't worry i'll be carefull. I understand it could be a bit dangerous because of the amps, if i'm lucky or do it right.


Hi kcarring, I think you kinda got it right, maybe not two Tesla coils but two coils a primary and secondary. Boguslaw very kindly provided some really good info on the Kapanadze device, which looks like it has the coil arrangement you outlined, slightly different from the Don Smith way but very very good too by the sound of it and Boguslaw seems to have a good amount of info availiable for that or has worked it out.

I will try to build the setup sebosfato is describing. One way or another, of course I will have to be prepared to stick at it and do some trial and error.

Like maybe completely rewind or build different coils or something. I feel like I almost have enough understanding to do it with the right kind of help and enough time.

I think maybe there are a lot of people who may not be able for some reason to build things much, maybe lack of time or resources could be many reasons, but they have a lot of knowledge and understanding and idea's and such. And I have a lot of time and curiousity, We can help each other a lot, maybe it can work like this- sebosfato helps me to understand some things and give me idea's to help me build the stuff I want and at the same time I can try things out and test some things for him, also hopefully others might get some help too, or join in.

Anyway what sebosfato was saying made sense to me and I wanted to build a don smith device but it's not easy to understand. So I jump in and take the info I can get from him. I'm in the middle of another project or two at the moment, but i'll do what i can when I can.

Cheers

[FRC]

Halyde

I know Smith used neon transformers. I was wondering if something could be done with 1000 watt halyde transformers to achieve extra energy ? Anyone
have any comments ?

FRC

[Farmhand]

VIC Coil

Hi all I found this very short video.

YouTube - stanley meyer VIC coil

Is this the VIC coil you speak of sebosfato ? Voltage Intensifier Circuit Coil ?

I take it the primary is very thick and go's on the center former. Interesting.

This Stan Meyer tech. is a real rabbit hole, it just keeps going.

FRC I don't know very much at all about transformers yet. What is a halyde transformer ?

I knew this stuff would be hard to understand, with no prior knowledge.

I feel like i'm being hit by an information train everyday.

There are some interesting new video's in the Stan Meyer video thread, incase anyone missed them. (new to me anyway)

Cheers

[kcarring]

Hi all I found this very short video.

YouTube - stanley meyer VIC coil

Is this the VIC coil you speak of sebosfato ? Voltage Intensifier Circuit Coil ?

I take it the primary is very thick and go's on the center former. Interesting.

This Stan Meyer tech. is a real rabbit hole, it just keeps going.

FRC I don't know very much at all about transformers yet. What is a halyde transformer ?

I knew this stuff would be hard to understand, with no prior knowledge.

I feel like i'm being hit by an information train everyday.

There are some interesting new video's in the Stan Meyer video thread, incase anyone missed them. (new to me anyway)

Cheers

interesting - it appears to be concentric plastic core coils with seperation of winds, all inside an e core, all inside an aluminum casing. Very strange.

[FRC]

Halyde transformer

FRC I don't know very much at all about transformers yet. What is a halyde transformer ?
Cheers

Farmhand, what I meant for was 1000 watt metal halyde light transformer. These are used for street lights and sometimes for marijuana grow ops. I do
not use pot. I use the lights to start tobacco plants inside and then later
plant them outside. I am still a heavy smoker.

FRC

[sebosfato]

Copper conduction.

Copper has the second highest electrical conductivity of any element, just after silver. This high value is due to virtually all the valence electrons (one per atom) taking part in conduction. The thing is that for copper to conduct it has to have also free electrons and therefore, the more free electrons there are the greater will be the conduction.

This makes clear my intent of having high density of electrons (high net negative voltage (net charge) on the resonant tank).

I think that if we could use a silver wire with iron core in the center of the wire we could improve the skin effect.

I think the skin effect is desirable cause the electrons don't go inside the wire. This can cause an impedance, however different from inductive reactance but yet similar in the point that non of they consume power.

[sebosfato]

When electrons that are not the valence of the conductor are present, them will be free to move as will be unbounded. The net charge on the conductor will stay at its surface cause no charge can ever exist inside a conductor.

I read about the fact that unbounded electrons don't follow the same rules of repulsion.

Just thought this.

A copper tube could be used cause it will have a very increased surface other wise a thick wire should be used. I think that it should be bare for best results.

The greater is the space between the turns the greater will be the Q of the coil an its self resonance frequency.

The will be a great deal of electric field between the turns, so i'm thinking about what if the unbounded electrons actually could fly together with the field lines therefore increasing the flux and for this reason the increase in energy... well maybe not


this is the exel sheet

http://rapidshare.com/files/44555235..._sebosfato.xls

[kcarring]

Farmhand, what I meant for was 1000 watt metal halyde light transformer. These are used for street lights and sometimes for marijuana grow ops. I do
not use pot. I use the lights to start tobacco plants inside and then later
plant them outside. I am still a heavy smoker.

FRC

I will use something similar to these:

YouTube - Induction Fluorescent Grow Light - Product Review

I just got them in and haven't tried them but they look to be pretty amazing.

[7imix]

There appears to be quite a lot of material on Don Smith here:

Index for /papers

Just now catching up on this thread. I will definitely be working on replications of what is being discussed here!

Unfortunately the link above is now dead, does anyone have an alternate link or an archive of what was there?