Ferris Wheel ?

[rave154]

142857,

quite a while ago now, on this forum, i started a thread called "where is it?"

as in, weve got geniuii like bedini, bearden, weve got dozens if not more extremely qualified & knowledgeable people via youtube etc ( i dont include myself among them btw )....... so my question was simply........where is it?

Youd think by now, someone would have grabbed hold of say.....bedini's energisers, with a stack of batterys....and done the tests, rotating batterys, etc etc ......conclusively....and produced the proof that this thing is 4-18 times OU (Bedini's figure not mine ).......so....where is it?

im not attacking ANYONE, just asking.........where is it !?!?!?

David. D

[redrichie]

Rave154,
Youve built multiple models of bedini's? correct. Big window motors right? I always read your posts, and so many others on here, intent on gaining as much insight into this technology as possible.
I keep an open mind, try to learn as much as possible. But I also keep a healthy dose of skepticism. Not to second guess, not to doubt an inventor, not to be a naysayer. But to not be sucked into "snake oil", if you will. I respect John B to the utmost. I feel he is the most knowledgeable person in the field of FE out there. As 142857 has said, he is the man. But on my flip side I have not been able to produce a device yet. Admittedly I also have not really replicated to specs either. Not that I changed a design or anything, Just not using the MJL21194's. Maybe my coils are wrapped the wrong way. maybe my soldering sucks. Maybe I dont have enough knowledge of batteries to understand what is going in something I cant see. Maybe i dont have the best type of bearings. and many more maybe's.
'Bits 10 coiler was shown using small batteries running lights at the conference, and selfrunning. But admittedly John has stated "nobody runs lights like that". That makes me doubt my ability a little. Not that free energy is impossible. But Bits has some very specialized skills to help him develop a battery swapper and really understand his system. But even with those skills he still had to rewind his coils and do a lot of "tinkering". And as far as I can remember he is still gonna use in conjunction with solar. If I am wrong I apologize Bits. Please correct me if im wrong. But Bits will probably help anyone on this forum that shows real interest and drive to build this stuff.
Ive argued before on the Bedini side that what does he have to gain? until semi-recently it was an open source phenomena with nothing but knowledge being given away by the inventor. There was nothing to buy. So what was to gain? If you have what it takes there is still no need to buy ANYTHING from Potentialtech. If I had the cash I would def buy a kit though. Just to eliminate my machining deficiency. LOL So the question there still remains. What is there to gain by John. He is still here sharing with us.
I have been part of this forum for a while now. I have some crazy theories at times, I know. But I dont think anyone here doubts my intentions. No one wants this to be more possible than me, trust me. As a father Its the most noble thing I think I can do for my family. Give them independence from a system of tyrannical control.

So here are a couple questions that I think people might be wondering and are to afraid to ask. Or maybe have in a "beating around the bush" kinda way. I would love this to be a Q&A type thing. no accusations. Honest questions.

1. Using a 12 Volt system is it possible to charge more than 1 12V battery before the initial battery runs down to "dead"? Given that we have conditioned the batteries. and have the system tuned really well. The same for a 24V system and up.
2. Can any of the systems run off a supercapacitor and charge an equal capacitor at least as fast as the drain from the run cap? I know it is possible to run off caps. But its the charge thats the kicker.
3. If 1&2 are not possible but the system is just really efficient, how come no one uses outside inputs to get the extra amount of energy required? Like earth batts, solar, etc...? to me it doesnt
4. How come I dont see anyone using the Tesla impulse technology that John demonstrates in EFTV. There is a beneficial effect to the front side of the system (Lower current draw) , and multiple coils can be used to charge. Im sure there is limit to the amount of coils that can be used, but I have no idea how many. If I have a really efficient energizer , and I add just one of these coils then I have gotten even closer to selfrunning, right? and I can do multiple coils. Seems that if we are trying to tap as much energy into the system as possible and so many are not utilizing this aspect, then we are missing something. Or am I missing something?
5. Is it possible that a reasonably intelligent person such as myself, to build this machine, even though I dont have the background of making airplanes fly, or designing circuitry, or launching rockets, or building radios? I dont expect a system to run on marbles and potato chips. But to bring it the masses without becomeing "those guys" it has to be buildable by your average resourceful person.
Enough for now. Please dont mistake my questions for accusations. This will be the last time I say that. We are all adults here and able to handle honest questioning. Lets talk.....

[miki02131]

My answers below:

Redrichie: So here are a couple questions that I think people might be wondering and are to afraid to ask. Or maybe have in a "beating around the bush" kinda way. I would love this to be a Q&A type thing. no accusations. Honest questions.

Miki: Honest questions deserve honest answers but usually those who answer honestly are rewarded with personal attacks and character assassination. Do not doubt your technical skills If you can't see OU in those systems. It is because they are not. That's why you will get all kind of backward explanations such as the magic happens in the batteries or the OU only shows in the batteries but not on the meters.

Redrichie: Using a 12 Volt system is it possible to charge more than 1 12V battery before the initial battery runs down to "dead"? Given that we have conditioned the batteries. and have the system tuned really well. The same for a 24V system and up.

Miki: NO. The only way for something like that to happen is to combine those systems with some other alternate energy source such Solar, wind, ect...

Redrichie: Can any of the systems run off a supercapacitor and charge an equal capacitor at least as fast as the drain from the run cap? I know it is possible to run off caps. But its the charge thats the kicker.

Miki: None of the systems by itself can do that but if you configure them to take advantage of an available alternate source such as wind, solar, etc.., then and only then this will be possible.

Redrichie: If 1&2 are not possible but the system is just really efficient, how come no one uses outside inputs to get the extra amount of energy required? Like earth batts, solar, etc...? to me it doesnt

Miki: Actually a combination with an alternate energy source is the only way to get extra out of these systems. However, regardless of what you're led to believe, they are not the best charging and control systems around. That's why you don't see people using them that way. Note that any charger will give you extra when combined with Wind, solar or any alternate source.

Redrichie: How come I dont see anyone using the Tesla impulse technology that John demonstrates in EFTV. There is a beneficial effect to the front side of the system (Lower current draw) , and multiple coils can be used to charge. Im sure there is limit to the amount of coils that can be used, but I have no idea how many. If I have a really efficient energizer , and I add just one of these coils then I have gotten even closer to selfrunning, right? and I can do multiple coils. Seems that if we are trying to tap as much energy into the system as possible and so many are not utilizing this aspect, then we are missing something. Or am I missing something?

Miki: Again you're not missing anything. The secret is in the energy source. It has nothing to do with the coils or how many coils. The load on the source increase proportionally with the number coils. The more coils, the more the output, the more the load on the input. Since the input source is finite, you will use it up quicker by adding more coils. The only way to get extra out of these systems is to combine them with some alternate energy source. Again THE SECRET IS IN THE ENERGY SOURCE. If you combine these with wind or solar, then you solve the mystery.

Redrichie: Is it possible that a reasonably intelligent person such as myself, to build this machine, even though I dont have the background of making airplanes fly, or designing circuitry, or launching rockets, or building radios? I dont expect a system to run on marbles and potato chips. But to bring it the masses without becomeing "those guys" it has to be buildable by your average resourceful person.

Miki: Again, don't doubt your technical skills. You're more than capable to build these systems correctly. The problem is that these systems by themselves will not yield OU. You need to come up with a design that takes advantage of some renewable and alternate energy source. In other words, you need to hybridize these systems using a known alternate energy source.

Having said that, don't get discouraged. There are still some hope in the Cold Fusion and Water Fuel fronts.

Good luck,

Miki Out.

[Farmhand]

My answers below:

Redrichie: So here are a couple questions that I think people might be wondering and are to afraid to ask. Or maybe have in a "beating around the bush" kinda way. I would love this to be a Q&A type thing. no accusations. Honest questions.

Miki: Honest questions deserve honest answers but usually those who answer honestly are rewarded with personal attacks and character assassination. Do not doubt your technical skills If you can't see OU in those systems. It is because they are not. That's why you will get all kind of backward explanations such as the magic happens in the batteries or the OU only shows in the batteries but not on the meters.

Redrichie: Using a 12 Volt system is it possible to charge more than 1 12V battery before the initial battery runs down to "dead"? Given that we have conditioned the batteries. and have the system tuned really well. The same for a 24V system and up.

Miki: NO. The only way for something like that to happen is to combine those systems with some other alternate energy source such Solar, wind, ect...

Redrichie: Can any of the systems run off a supercapacitor and charge an equal capacitor at least as fast as the drain from the run cap? I know it is possible to run off caps. But its the charge thats the kicker.

Miki: None of the systems by itself can do that but if you configure them to take advantage of an available alternate source such as wind, solar, etc.., then and only then this will be possible.

Redrichie: If 1&2 are not possible but the system is just really efficient, how come no one uses outside inputs to get the extra amount of energy required? Like earth batts, solar, etc...? to me it doesnt

Miki: Actually a combination with an alternate energy source is the only way to get extra out of these systems. However, regardless of what you're led to believe, they are not the best charging and control systems around. That's why you don't see people using them that way. Note that any charger will give you extra when combined with Wind, solar or any alternate source.

Redrichie: How come I dont see anyone using the Tesla impulse technology that John demonstrates in EFTV. There is a beneficial effect to the front side of the system (Lower current draw) , and multiple coils can be used to charge. Im sure there is limit to the amount of coils that can be used, but I have no idea how many. If I have a really efficient energizer , and I add just one of these coils then I have gotten even closer to selfrunning, right? and I can do multiple coils. Seems that if we are trying to tap as much energy into the system as possible and so many are not utilizing this aspect, then we are missing something. Or am I missing something?

Miki: Again you're not missing anything. The secret is in the energy source. It has nothing to do with the coils or how many coils. The load on the source increase proportionally with the number coils. The more coils, the more the output, the more the load on the input. Since the input source is finite, you will use it up quicker by adding more coils. The only way to get extra out of these systems is to combine them with some alternate energy source. Again THE SECRET IS IN THE ENERGY SOURCE. If you combine these with wind or solar, then you solve the mystery.

Redrichie: Is it possible that a reasonably intelligent person such as myself, to build this machine, even though I dont have the background of making airplanes fly, or designing circuitry, or launching rockets, or building radios? I dont expect a system to run on marbles and potato chips. But to bring it the masses without becomeing "those guys" it has to be buildable by your average resourceful person.

Miki: Again, don't doubt your technical skills. You're more than capable to build these systems correctly. The problem is that these systems by themselves will not yield OU. You need to come up with a design that takes advantage of some renewable and alternate energy source. In other words, you need to hybridize these systems using a known alternate energy source.

Having said that, don't get discouraged. There are still some hope in the Cold Fusion and Water Fuel fronts.

Good luck,

Miki Out.

It's hardly worth repying to a post like that on a forum like this.

But here go's.

Why ?

For all your answers.

Seriously please explain.

Rgds

[FRC]

Why not ?

There was a similar thread before and someone said just build a Newman motor. But the Bedini/Cole motor can be made to self run (so they say). And the electric garden tractor that Rick Friedrich showed at the CDA conference was a self running window motor. So I am pretty sure OU is possible, since these window motors work. After all why did Cole drink himself to death ? Probably, like John B. said in some previous post, "people don't believe what they see or do not accept it". Even if you can get a larger gain from a small input, I think that's worth it in itself.

FRC

[miki02131]

It's hardly worth repying to a post like that on a forum like this.

But here go's.

Why ?

For all your answers.

Seriously please explain.

Rgds

The answer to your "WHY" was given. The secret to any energy system is in the Energy Source not in the circuits. What Bedini gives you are circuits not a new energy source.

You will get quick results by doing what I told you before. Just hybridize the bedini circuits with a known external and alternate energy source such as wind or solar and you will see. I configured a window motor as wind generator and I was able to charge battery for free. As you can see, the important thing is not the circuit but the energy source, in my case wind energy.

Miki Out.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

But Bits will probably help anyone on this forum that shows real interest and drive to build this stuff..

Thanks Richie, Yes I will help anyone who needs assist. BTW, have you checked out the Use for Tesla Switch thread? See you at the conference.

Bit's

[rave154]

Thanks Richie, Yes I will help anyone who needs assist. BTW, have you checked out the Use for Tesla Switch thread? See you at the conference.

Bit's

I can confirm that, Bits helped me with a PIC/circuit problem i had and helped me solve it nicely.

[kcarring]

Lets think about my mini charger. I'll tell you what it does and what I think about it and you tell me why it doesn't make perfectly logical sense.
I have a hard drive disk and bearing. I have 2 sewing machine bobbin size coils so it's tiny. One coil is Bifilar, trigger and drive, typical ssg. The other, slave coil is single wound. The only dif in my circut and the classic ssg scematic is that I have no light bulb, no neon, and no resistors. Also the coils are air core. I'm imputting 4.5volts in and in about 30-45 seconds after spin up I have 125volts in my cap. Obviously this is where my spikes are 125.
So when I build my AA battery packs , I'll be running off of 3 batteries. First thing I'll do is hook up the drive batteries and run the machine as long as it can off of those 3 batteries. I intend to do this a couple times to find out how long it can go. Once I know that, I'll hook up two more sets of three on the charge side. Then, I'll physically change out the batteries by hand, every time a charge set gets full swap it to the drive, put the drive on charge.
So, assuming this tech does what it claims and as long as I'm there to swap batteries at the proper time, my machine should never stop untill machanical degridation of my parts sets in or untill my battetries are no good anymore. Right?

I hope you have advanced from this line of thought, I mean, in all due respect to both you, and John Bedini... your setup... it's just.. so full of problems and unrealistic expectations, i don't know where to begin... ummm you seriously have to re-read the things said by John and Rick?

THEY, and other advanced experimenters may be working on advanced COP>1 and self looped closed systems, BUT they never ever claimed that you could close the loop, or you swap the batteries. Your dry cells are not the type of battery to be using... your large bearing-to-rotor mass (contains iron?) may be a problem... you have a tiny Bedini and a large NPN,

with all due respect, you've really botched it up man.

If you wish to critique their concepts, you need to start over.

I built my first Bedini last week AS PER INSTRUCTIONS and my results were EXACTLY what Rick told me I'd get.

And what's that?

An electric motor that runs without cogging, that can almost charge a secondary battery WHILE performing work.

Think about this.

Take a normal battery charger, and place the charge battery and a 2a fan in parallel.

Use a PWM current controller limiter, and drop your draw to about oh say 80-100 mA.

Come back 13 hours later and tell us how well the fan operated, and if your secondary battery is charged.

Now you have a very unscientific, but approximate comparison of the SSG to conventional charge circuit.

[redrichie]

miki02131,
Are you familiar with EFTV video 6, i believe? Regarding the Tesla Impulse tech.? From what i gathered there is no "extra" load applied to the system when using this. A coil is placed into the system that is independent of the rotor. the energy flows through this coil with the pulse. then we capture that energy as it collapses as well, as it is heading to the charge battery. I have no idea how many of these coils can be added to the system. I have not encountered many people using this. The thread SSg anomalies touches on it.
I have experimented slightly with it as well. I used a bifilar coil and collected the collapse and induction in the extra winding from the same pulse headed to the charge battery. again no extra load to the system. I collected the induction into a cap from a bridge, then ran a small hobby motor. This with just a very small coil. The charging to the battery seemed to stay at the same rate.
sorry to come away from topic. If 142857 is not ok with this i will post elsewhere.

[Farmhand]

The answer to your "WHY" was given. The secret to any energy system is in the Energy Source not in the circuits. What Bedini gives you are circuits not a new energy source.

You will get quick results by doing what I told you before. Just hybridize the bedini circuits with a known external and alternate energy source such as wind or solar and you will see. I configured a window motor as wind generator and I was able to charge battery for free. As you can see, the important thing is not the circuit but the energy source, in my case wind energy.

Miki Out.

Hi Miki,

It's not possible for John to give away an energy source. Nobody gave you
the Sun or the Wind. You don't need to actually have a source of power in
your possesion.

Nor will you, ever.

John has shown a few ways to tap energy from the Aether or the Ambient
Backround ( several other name's or descriptions). This is where all energy
comes from and go's back to, for want of a better description.

I'm glad you found good ways to harness some energy from the wind.

I take it you do not believe that it's possible to extract energy from the
Aether. Or do you not believe in the exsistance the Aether ?

Where do you think the wind gets it's energy from ?

If you don't or won't accept the possibility of there being an Aether or
Backround energy responsible for just about everything, then there is
probably very little to be gained by arguing with you.

Denying the possibility of the Aether is like saying Tesla was a lier, John is a
lier, Don Smith is a lier, Moray was a lier the list go's on.

I don't think they were lying. In fact I know from my own experiments they
were and are not lying.

If all you want is a bit of energy then stick with wind, there's no harm in it.
I would like to build a small wind generator myself, very usefull. I already
have solar panels. But these are not the only way to get free energy.

But what I really want is a deeper understanding of everything, a wind
generator just doesn't help me to do that.

A wind generator is just a wind generator.

Which brings me to quote you again. And ask the same simple question.

Miki: Again, don't doubt your technical skills. You're more than
capable to build these systems correctly. The problem is that these systems
by themselves will not yield OU. You need to come up with a design that
takes advantage of some renewable and alternate energy source. In other
words, you need to hybridize these systems using a known alternate
energy source.

Why does a "Known" alternate energy source need to be used. Or did you
mean a widely recognised or currently accepted alternate energy source ?

Please don't think i'm trying to attack you or your beliefs. I just think maybe
you should consider a lot more could be possible than what is already known.

Imagine where we would be if everyone stopped looking for new sources of
energy because some one said they were better off to just use what is
already availiable.

Chers

[142857]

kcarring:
I may not have expressed it in this thread yet, but, I fully expected my 10 dollar charger to fail, and when it did so, I expected it would be my fault. Due to me "botching it up". I did make a mistake earlier, I am not using big NPN's, I harvested some small ones from so "E-waste"....(and your are correct...while wireing it on the breadboard I realized that while it went faster with 3055's it wouldn't charge my cap but to 25volts.)
And for the record after a day of charging and killing a pair of NiCad AAA's, I would assess it to be at least as good at charging as the charger that came with the batteries in the first place.
However, to note: This contraption works almost exactly to my expectations and thus far does what I thought it would do...not what I wanted it to do when I first started looking into bedini tech....nothing close to "free energy" but argueably just as much free energy as any other bedini sys, big or small. I can nearly charge a battery while running off an equal battery and light up a couple LED's around the disk while it does it....or I can input 4.5 and run a fully bright 110volt neon...and LED's...and still charge a cap a little.....I'll post a video.....I prolly did botch it up, but it does seem to perform just like a bedini circut.....



And no richie, I don't mind a tangent into left field....this thread was to hopefully clear a little smoke. It would be cool if we could discuss somthing new or not fully explored or understood as opposed to regurgitating stuff we already seem to know.


Truth is I'm not looking for wind or solar anything (the establishment keeps that stuff at bay) It's all good, killer, but I'm not the well funded guy who's trying to find or perfect the next great Alt energy source or beat out the oil interests so we could use it.....
... lets just say that you managed to develope a solarcell that was 50,000 times more efficent than we have today....or that you built tesla's giant pole from ground to space and shorted the ends together and supplied the whole world with clean free ele.
.....I'm still going to be looking for the machine that can run it's self....is it impossible...so they say, heck, maybe so, I dunno...that is why I ever learned any of this stuff anyway. A machine that makes more energy than it uses...

Nobody has one yet..not proveable anyway....

Personally I don't really think making a battery charger that's a fan too is all that great a leap(not that I don't think it's cool or I wouldn't have made one)....but, I could just have a battery charger and a fan....if it was all running off of my solar and wind setup it's all "free" anyway.

Wether anybody will outright admitt it or not that endlessly looping magnetic ramp is(or any version of this idea) is what most of us got into this stuff thinking about.

I still defy anybody to prove they have a self running device...not because I just don't believe you(can't till you prove it) and not because I'm a naysayer, but because I DO want to believe....

think I'm just tired of "self runner" videos....

[sucahyo]

And for the record after a day of charging and killing a pair of NiCad AAA's, I would assess it to be at least as good at charging as the charger that came with the batteries in the first place.

How do that happen? Did you use one diode recovery?

Do you kill the nicad by heating them up?

lets just say that you managed to develope a solarcell that was 50,000 times more efficent than we have today....

If you connect the battery with radiant circuit, you will have solar cell that will still work on very low light condition because radiant circuit with automatically adjust its output voltage.

[kcarring]

I may not have expressed it in this thread yet, but, I fully expected my 10 dollar charger to fail, and when it did so, I expected it would be my fault. Due to me "botching it up". I did make a mistake earlier, I am not using big NPN's, I harvested some small ones from so "E-waste"....(and your are correct...while wireing it on the breadboard I realized that while it went faster with 3055's it wouldn't charge my cap but to 25volts.) And for the record after a day of charging and killing a pair of NiCad AAA's, I would assess it to be at least as good at charging as the charger that came with the batteries in the first place.

Think about how much you learned right there, now wasn't that more fun than fixing a dead toaster? Very few of us truly know exactly what we are looking for or how to build it, here. It's all journey! Everyone has a slightly different "sub-goal" and mandate for their research, and some, maybe they just love the curiosity period. It's all good. I swear some of them are just in it for the notoriety. But to each their own. Thankfully, it's better than watching sitcoms on TV.

[142857]

How do that happen? Did you use one diode recovery?

Do you kill the nicad by heating them up?

I dunno how it happens but it seems too. Simple circut: not sure the #'s on my transistors(smaller than 3055's but not little joule thief size) standard 4001 and 4007 diodes....center diode to pos on 200volt cap.......no resistors....
batteries in paralel off the cap...wire to bifilar coil and to input power....identical circut running a slave coil...emiters connected ect.

And no, it hasn't heated up the nicads at all as far as I can tell...I may be killing them, I dunno yet.

All I did was hook 2 aa nicads to a little 3-6V erector set motor and ran them till they were dead.

I charged them for 20 mins....hook them back to the motor and run them down again...bout 30 mins....take em out and charge them again, run them down again.

Longest they ever stayed on charge was 1.5hrs....still no noticeable heat.