Ismeal Aviso self charging electric car

[bolt1]

Ismael technology has been rather hyped up over the months. Before the car tests we was getting information that the fork lift motor was running at very high power but incredibly low draw from the battery but we never did see any true power reading other than a "battery volt drop test" which we all know means nothing.

The dyno test was good and of course it gets 3rd party verification and government recognition. That's the good news. The not so good news is the MEG as he calls it was only running at not more than 1000 watts otherwise the COP takes a dive as well as many parts over heating. The Dyno "road test" also revealed a few interesting facts including the total losses from grid to wheels was 50%. From this loss due to the motor and gear train losses it was able to make a small OU of 134% between the battery and wheels. Now by deducting the losses the MEG had a COP of 2.7 at 1000 watts 0/p.

What is interesting about this is the COP is very typical of brute force BEMF coil bangers. There is certainly nothing amazing with this technology that is not already open source nor is it particularly efficient compared to Kapandze 5KW o/p with a COP of 100 or the TPU has a COP of 1000 at 1000 watts and Sweet VTA the COP > 1000. So the MEG device is one of the lowest class OU devices.

So i wondered about this cellphone RF stuff on hearing it was extracting power from the 1 gig region and somehow compressing this received signal. Well i think this is rubbish. I am quite sure this is all very low tech, low frequency coil banging in the Khz range. Then i see this posted

"Rattling sound from Low freq shorting of coils & translate into 25KHZ oscillation and cascade so far only up to 100Khz" under one of the youtube vids.

So it IS a simple coil banger of facing Bifilar flat Tesla coils then dump the BEMF into a bank of caps. This low frequency operation has nothing whatsoever to do with extraction cell tower energy!!

You will also notice as the power increases the COP drops rapidly. One of the lasts post on PESN

"March 07, 2011 11:41 PM
Subject: Update: MEG testing

Sterling

MEG testing . I've got the trending now from 160% efficiency up to 220%. Testing procedures Normal & MEG alternately 16 times. 1800 watts to 2000 variation of load.

Yesterday testing down to 105% eff. start from 180%. We keep the temperature in a moderate level"

The COP has dropped to an average of 1.7 which means you cant loop at this level you need at least a COP of 2.5 to cover losses to get it looped which means its not self contained power source like other historic devices. In fact its only right now a glorified Energy Saver and an expensive one at that!

So what's the bottom line is the meg is still deep in R and D and its NOT open source and still no big investors come along yet otherwise we see a brand new workshop with all new PC's and test gear everywhere like Steorn LOL

Anyway don't hang around waiting for this project to effect you cos you got a very long wait. For an electric car needs to be at least 50kw and more like 100kw to run the average family car at hiway speed. To reach these power levels on shoe string budget its never going to happen.

Oh and don't worry about how it works all the information is already open source. He just managed to put some of it together and try it.

[kcarring]

compared to Kapandze 5KW o/p with a COP of 100 or the TPU has a COP of 1000 at 1000 watts and Sweet VTA the COP > 1000

In general I tend to agree with your overall view /statement. As amazing as any overunity device is... a very large factor, that which is SCALABLE is needed.
I think a lot of people fall into the misconception that we could change the world by going 20-60% overunity. The problem is, we already do AND THEN SOME. How far overunity is a solar panel? Infinitely? Technically speaking the thing DOES NOT DRAW POWER AND PRODUCES POWER!

anyhow...

The one thing that gets me about your statement is that you refer to Sweet's and Kapandze work like they were known, replicable successful devices. Are they, truly?

Do you "have a couple lying around" to know for sure "they work?".

I don't and I've never seen anything beyond JNaudin, is it? - his work -. And i question his work, (though respect it at the same time). It seems like he has made a hobby of going over unity, yet doesn't seem to persue any one direction. With all due respect though, I spend a lot of time on his website and find all of it facinating.

[kippered]

Technically speaking the thing DOES NOT DRAW POWER AND PRODUCES POWER!

One thing that I find lacking from energy efficiency calculations is the amount of energy consumed to make the device. This is currently a big factor for solar... The "Energy buyback" period if you will.

Besides that I agree with what you are saying

[kcarring]

One thing that I find lacking from energy efficiency calculations is the amount of energy consumed to make the device. This is currently a big factor for solar... The "Energy buyback" period if you will.

Besides that I agree with what you are saying

Good point indeed.

[bolt1]

One thing that I find lacking from energy efficiency calculations is the amount of energy consumed to make the device. This is currently a big factor for solar... The "Energy buyback" period if you will.

Besides that I agree with what you are saying

If you are talking about construction costs then yes its quite expensive in terms of raw materials but then there is no such thing as FREE energy. You got to buy it or make it first. Even if it has a COP of 100 to procure that device is either going to cost a fortune or you spend several thousand man hours in R and D to make one device. Fact is solar power is not free either. A 5Kw system will cost around $25k installed and you be lucky to see a real ROI after 25 years.

Now if the Aviso MEG cost say $5k and can produce 5kw AND its looped now we have a clear winner ahead of any other technologies.

[bobo36us]

Magnetic Repulsion......been thinking about that one for a while.

Here are a few guys doing similar work:
YouTube - hoogerhydemotors's Channel

There was also another guy called MrCleanPower, but it
looks like he took down his videos. I copied them though,
so if anyone wants to see it just let me know.

[nat1971a]

Philippine DOE Verifies Aviso's Self-Charging EV

Today, the Philippine Department of Energy tested Ismael Aviso's electric car, showing that running off wall power, the 11 kW DC motor ran at 45% efficiency, but with Aviso's on-board generator which harvests ambient energy from the surroundings, the motor ran at 133% efficiency (overunity).

[abdlquadri]

this is going down

If it works; It will never see the light of Day. We have scores of examples to learn from(Tesla, Meyers, Gray etc). The problem is people dont learn.

[abdlquadri]

ask bedini

@synchro direct your questions to John Bedini is experienced in Batteries and Radio frequencies

[kcarring]

A 5Kw system will cost around $25k installed and you be lucky to see a real ROI after 25 years.

Old thinking. My cost on (24) 190 Watt UL Rated Panels (4560 watts) is $11280.
Add to that a $3000 inverter, and $3000 worth of batteries, $700 in cabling and you are under $20k. A system like this will add, easily add $10,000 of value to your home. Where I live electricity is 13c/kilowatt hour. And it's poised to double, if not triple. When electricity hits 20c/kilowatt hour (here, we're told it will within 18 months...) 4 kilowatts in a good sun hour (with MPPT its possible) x 6 good sun hours x 100 days a year PLUS all the other sun, easily equates $1500 dollars worth of energy per year.

Your argument is valid; don't get me wrong...

but...

What other investment saves you monthly bills WHILE it adds value to your home, and in some provinces/states is subject to rebates and grid tie in rewards?

A second vehicle?

A couple of nice vacations over a decade?

Once the savings come in, invest the same amount of money, be that $100 a month into a strong investment.

How much will power cost in 25 years?

I recently had a friend who sold his second vehicle for $4000 and invested $2500 additonal hard cash into what I call a "half system". His mains shut off and go to battery during peak demand, and during late night. He applied for a special incentive to save money by not using much, if any, power, during peak demand (BC Canada). He now saves $60 a month in power consumption and gets his power cheaper, that he does consume, to a tune of $30/mo. He rides an electric assisted bicycle to work that he charges for free, and saves an additional $175 a month in fuel costs. He's taking the sum total of savings and in a year he will implement a 2 kilowatt wind turbine. He works retail sales and makes less than $32,000 per year. He anticipates being off the electrical grid within 5 years total. 20 years after that point, he will have saved how much?!?!

MY personal system is 1300 watts, and I am working on methane based refrigeration using ammonia heat exchange; my single biggest electrical consumer. I, personally do not see the necessity for more than 2500 watts, and my entire system has been afforded by avoiding driving vehicles whenever and where-ever possible: fuel savings.

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I was just thinking about this, the inventor says he will hide the method he uses to do this. So we can discount everything he says because he doesn't want anyone to know how it works.

I think it's simple. I think he is just using the Tesla switch principal to keep energy in the system. In my opinon he is somehow converting the 12 volts from the battery to a higher voltage (in say capacitors), then he is running the motor between the higher voltage and the 12 volts of the battery which puts the energy he took out back into it. The higher voltage and the battery share a common ground. He can then also use the flowing current to produce more power. HE can harvest the coil discharge of the motor windings to "top up" the battery or increase the potential difference. If the energy is kept in the system and the current that flows is going back to recharge the battery it came from it is almost irrelevent how much current the motor require's.

I think he is simply switching the potential from one place to another.
The principal is sound, and with the correct electronic knowledge and eqipment it should be relatively easy to acheive.

No need for fancy antenna's or broadcasting electricity. The coil on the back of the car is for distraction purposes, in my opinion. He admit's it is normal for an inventor to protect the technology secret, even to the point of lying.

So he's a lier he doesn't tell the truth. Why believe anything he says or any information he provide's. Anything he say's is probably disinformation.

Don't we detest this type of people ? Selfish Guy, in my opinion.

I think he is hiding just how simple what he is doing is.

Create a greater potential than the battery posses from the battery then switch it back to the battery through the Motor. Losses are small and energy can be gained from CEMF in the process.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Maybe Like This ?

Ok Guy's, Here is a drawing of something like what I mean. There are some thing's still not sorted in that drawing. Some way to increase the ocillator Fequency and or PW in relation to the motor control (Feeback) would be required. If the Oscillator Frequency and the Motor frequency are far different or out of phase I don't see why it couldn't work. I suppose a modified commutator or diode's would be needed to collect the coil discharge from the motor coils.

http://wv3rsa.bay.livefilestore.com/...007.JPG?psid=1

Now I'm not saying that this would necessarily work, but there is my idea of how I would try to do it. Well that's the preliminary concept drawing anyway.
Do with it as you shall desire.

Cheers

[boguslaw]

Ok Guy's, Here is a drawing of something like what I mean. There are some thing's still not sorted in that drawing. The CEMF is still not dealt with. And some way to increase the ocillator Fequency and or PW in relation to the motor control (Feeback) would be required. If the Oscillator Frequency and the Motor frequency are far different or out of phase I don't see why it couldn't work. I suppose a modified commutator or diode's would be needed to collect the CEMF from the motor coils.

http://wv3rsa.bay.livefilestore.com/...007.JPG?psid=1

Now I'm not saying that this would necessarily work, but there is my idea of how I would try to do it. Well that's the preliminary concept drawing anyway.
Do with it as you shall desire.

Cheers

Farmhand

You take a cake ! I think this is it and the coil is used as a part of HF circuit. At least I would do that

[Farmhand]

Thanks for the Cake !

Thanks Boguslaw, I like cake.

[boguslaw]

Farmhand

Do you have an idea how to filter out HF from 12V dc ? I'm sure that output capacitors are dumped back to battery source in a short current impulses with frequency dependent on load needs.In the same time electronic circuit is powered by 12V DC and any HF should be filtered out from electronic because it would heat it up and damage.
Maybe chokes are enough ?