Growing Crystals, Piezoelectric Energy Harvesting

[Roland]

I ended up with more than what I started with. I tried putting just the 30ml of dry powder just to see what it looks like in comparsion in the bottom of the mason jar. It seemed to barely cover the bottom and compared to what I ended up it was right up to the 100ml mark on the jar. They must have grown for me to have that much more.
I can't say its right or not though. I figured it should be. I tried out the transducers yesterday without the zinc to see output. If you put two inches of water over them it produces more output. Its definitely not flammable. Then I put the zinc in water soluble material and hung it over the transducer and didn't see any increase and tried putting the zinc directly into the water. Zinc in the water damped the effect. Output became minimal.
So I am at the point where I don't know what to do now. It would need to split the water to be flammable otherwise just the fog acts like increased octane in a motor and to cool the motor.
FRC if you look on overunity you don't need to be a member to see the photos and mine looked like theirs that's why I thought it must have worked.
Do you know if I was supposed to separate it immediately after cooling to let it dry out? I just left it in the jar until I was ready to use it then I heated it until it dried out.
Chris

Why dont you post this info on OU thread Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
or here on the Discussion Best way to use heat from HHO to generate electricity thread?

I think "Power" moniters both of those threads.

On my count, this make 0 for 3 (since we have not copied exactly how the Power did it we cant conclude much)

[superman9976]

I didnt post it there because my activation email never showed up until yesterday and actually it was a manual activation so I posted all this here. I just realized today that I did not use a 36v transformer. I used the stock one. His response is that I am the creator what do I think. Doesn't that sound about right? I wish there was some real answers. I love experimenting and learning but I am not really sure of the end result or how to even achieve it. If I could get one thing to work I think I would feel better.

[superman9976]

Oh and one more thing exactly? power... doesnt ever say how to exactly do anything. He just tip toes around it and drops a few clues here and there. I read through all the posts and developed a mental picture then set out to do it.

[Vickers]

Keep at it Superman. Everything is explained in the first post. And it is accurate.
Here is a pic of what the crystals should look like. I think pic (a) is the ideal.
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[Roland]

I didnt post it there because my activation email never showed up until yesterday and actually it was a manual activation so I posted all this here. I just realized today that I did not use a 36v transformer. I used the stock one. His response is that I am the creator what do I think. Doesn't that sound about right? I wish there was some real answers. I love experimenting and learning but I am not really sure of the end result or how to even achieve it. If I could get one thing to work I think I would feel better.

LOL, yeah i Know what you mean. You forgot "we are all equals"

Personally I wish i was less equal, then he might explain some of his details.

It was mentioned that you should not increase the voltage on these US foggers. I hope to find out a good way to increase the frequency ( 45 khz) of these Ultra Sonic foggers soon. ill let you know if i figure it out.

[Roland]

Keep at it Superman. Everything is explained in the first post. And it is accurate.
Here is a pic of what the crystals should look like. I think pic (a) is the ideal.
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I wonder what kind of micro scope id need to see the crystals formation? And how much that would call.

[Vickers]

I wonder what kind of micro scope id need to see the crystals formation? And how much that would call.

Need electron microscope. Most universities have one.

[FRC]

Chris

FRC if you look on overunity you don't need to be a member to see the photos and mine looked like theirs that's why I thought it must have worked. Do you know if I was supposed to separate it immediately after cooling to let it dry out? I just left it in the jar until I was ready to use it then I heated it until it dried out.Chris

I am not sure about that. Have you seen this video, or his other one ?

YouTube - Ultrasonic Gasoline Vaporizer by Sul-tech

Maybe if one could find out the frequency of the model he is using . He is
not using zinc but still gets combustion with HHO and so did Altrez with his
unit.

FRC

[Vickers]

Hope Powerme dont mind but I would like to simplify some of his very simple instructions. (just to speed things up a little).

Zinc oxide can be bought at any pottery supply outlet over the counter.
May not be nano... but if u really keen u can grind the hell out of it with a mortar and pestle for as long as u can.

Can concentrate ammonia easily and safely using a crock pot with upside down lid full of icewater. Place a small collector bowl in center of crock pot.

Instead of mag stirrer and hotplate use a plastic drink bottle. Ur household hot tap water is 60C. To prevent fumes make sure u seal it as mentioned in powerme first post. This is perfectly safe. There will be zero pressure build up. Learn boiling temp of water VS boiling temp of ammonia.
Immerse bottle in hot tap water to heat and shake the hell out of it every minute or so. The longer the better.

Freeze overnight to concentrate the ammonia and slowly heat again to maximize the reaction of highly concentrated yet safely contained ammonia.

Pour onto oven tray and evaporate.

Scrape up ur crystals.

Done.

[Roland]

Hope Powerme dont mind but I would like to simplify some of his very simple instructions. (just to speed things up a little).

Zinc oxide can be bought at any pottery supply outlet over the counter.
May not be nano... but if u really keen u can grind the hell out of it with a mortar and pestle for as long as u can.

Can concentrate ammonia easily and safely using a crock pot with upside down lid full of icewater. Place a small collector bowl in center of crock pot.

Instead of mag stirrer and hotplate use a plastic drink bottle. Ur household hot tap water is 60C. To prevent fumes make sure u seal it as mentioned in powerme first post. This is perfectly safe. There will be zero pressure build up. Learn boiling temp of water VS boiling temp of ammonia.
Immerse bottle in hot tap water to heat and shake the hell out of it every minute or so. The longer the better.

Freeze overnight to concentrate the ammonia and slowly heat again to maximize the reaction of highly concentrated yet safely contained ammonia.

Pour onto oven tray and evaporate.

Scrape up ur crystals.

Done.

WAIT a minute, ARE YOU SURE NO PRESSURE BIULDS UP??????


Id hate to see someone get hurt so lets be sure about this. i question the wisdom of the plastic bottle. Pressure and boiling points are two different things. I believe pressure does rise regardless of boiling points that is how you super heat steam...

I made my second batch of crystals last night. I watched the lid of a mason jar at 60c 140f bulge out. Just guessing but I'd bet it was at the very least 10 psi! I tried to push down on that lid to see if i could get it to click up and down. No dice, it was very much pressurize. In fact it i did even smell trace amounts ammonium leaking.

I did mix in my zinc while the ammonium was just added to the 60c water bath that was sitting on my heater stirrer. So the temp was under 80 F when i put the lid on tight. I know that capping it at lower temps does give a greater pressure this was my goal because, Power mentioned the pressure is needed for transmutation.

I don't mean to over react i just want to be safe. I do like your other Tips thanks

[Vickers]

If u shake it u will have zero pressure build up. This is the whole point of the stirring/shaking. Ammonia loves water. Glad ur having a go man. Good stuff.

[Slovenia]

Thanks

Hi Vickers,

Thanks a lot for sharing your alternate crystal making method with us. I just got the hot plate with magnetic stirrer, so maybe I don't need that after all.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Hope Powerme dont mind but I would like to simplify some of his very simple instructions. (just to speed things up a little).

Zinc oxide can be bought at any pottery supply outlet over the counter.
May not be nano... but if u really keen u can grind the hell out of it with a mortar and pestle for as long as u can.

Can concentrate ammonia easily and safely using a crock pot with upside down lid full of icewater. Place a small collector bowl in center of crock pot.

Instead of mag stirrer and hotplate use a plastic drink bottle. Ur household hot tap water is 60C. To prevent fumes make sure u seal it as mentioned in powerme first post. This is perfectly safe. There will be zero pressure build up. Learn boiling temp of water VS boiling temp of ammonia.
Immerse bottle in hot tap water to heat and shake the hell out of it every minute or so. The longer the better.

Freeze overnight to concentrate the ammonia and slowly heat again to maximize the reaction of highly concentrated yet safely contained ammonia.

Pour onto oven tray and evaporate.

Scrape up ur crystals.

Done.

[geotrouvetout]

Hi all,

Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

the melting point of ammonium hydroxyde is lower than the water, maybe it's more easy to have high concentration of ammonium hydroxyde by freezing instead of evaporating and condensing, just a thought.

Geo

just what i said few days ago, but nobody take it and still going to evaporate until superman9976 did it , but what i think is only keeping the amonium hydroxide with ZnO melting in it and pouring in an other jar (just after the mix has been cold to 0°C and the Zno that not melt fall down to the jar) then continuing with the heating at 60°C until the ZnO crystals grows, you should have only ZnO crystals without ZnO that not melt.

An other good way to growing crytals is like Vickers did

Just using Google, reading, learning, looking around, and using his imagination

Geo

[Vickers]

Hey Slovenia, A hot plate and mag stir is a very handy thing to have. Money well spent brother.

[Vickers]

[QUOTE=geotrouvetout;134174]Hi all,



just what i said few days ago, but nobody take it and still going to evaporate until superman9976 did it , but what i think is only keeping the amonium hydroxide with ZnO melting in it and pouring in an other jar (just after the mix has been cold to 0°C and the Zno that not melt fall down to the jar) then continuing with the heating at 60°C until the ZnO crystals grows, you should have only ZnO crystals without ZnO that not melt.

An other good way to growing crytals is like Vickers did

Just using Google, reading, learning, looking around, and using his imagination
Dude... I am just stating that the first post is safe and accurate.
No experience required. The guy has obviously spent a bit of time on making it simple, safe and foolproof. The guy has passion and deserves some respect ..He started the thread not me.
PM me a pic of ur lab and creds and I will gladly explain a faster way to make these crystals.
Fortunately the nature of this thread is solely about making these crystals. What u choose to do with them is your business.