SSG charged batteries cannot be used to drive SSG machines

[shingot]

It was said in many instances that a radiantly charged battery (charged directly from SSG - without cap pulser) cannot be used to power SSG devices. Does anyone knows the reason why? (they said its because of the negative energy or because the battery was negatively charged - so what about it? )or anyone can point me to a thread if this was answered before. TIA

[Farmhand]

Hi shingot, to the forum.

My understanding is that the SSG charged battery if left to rest for long enough it should be fine. But with the cap pulser charged battery it could be swapped to the source battery almost straight away. I think it is because the battery transforms the energy slower than the electrolytic capacitor.

Cheers

[mbrownn]

You can

I swap the batteries round all the time with no problem at all on the SSG circuit. You can also do it with the SG cap pulsed circuit and I have been doing this for 4 years, but if you use the SG circuit without the caps and charge the battery directly, the battery changes to use negative energy.

This battery will no longer charge normally and appears shorted when you try.

When you charge a battery with negative energy its capacity increases significantly on resistive loads but not on inductive like a Bedini circuit.

Gel type batteries are quickly destroyed on negative energy by crystallising the gel, this can also happen to a lead acid battery too in my experience. See the attached picture.

[elias]

When you charge a battery with negative energy its capacity increases significantly on resistive loads but not on inductive like a Bedini circuit.

Have you verified this?

[Guruji]

Ssg

Hi guys what's a SG cap pulser? Is it a bedini with a FWBR and a Cap you mean to be clear?
Thanks

[shingot]

@ Farmland, thanks for that.

@ mbrownn,

This battery will no longer charge normally and appears shorted when you try.

what do you mean by that? appears shorted?

Gel type batteries are quickly destroyed on negative energy by crystallising the gel, this can also happen to a lead acid battery too in my experience. See the attached picture.

also, in what instance or mode of charging does your battery get destroyed?

@ guruji, yeah that's it, there should be a cap for it to be a cap pulser but it doesn't really need to be a FWBR, i think single diode would do - this is what i have.

[Guruji]

[QUOTE=shingot;132513
@ guruji, yeah that's it, there should be a cap for it to be a cap pulser but it doesn't really need to be a FWBR, i think single diode would do - this is what i have.[/QUOTE]

Hi Shingot thanks for response I think Sucahyo was right when he told me that AC caps are better with a FWBR to charge batteries cause with my Stingo circuit they charge better.
Thanks

[mbrownn]

Have you verified this?

I need to clarify what I have been doing.

I have been using an Imhotep/Bedini fan; I wound it with 7 wires, 2 at #27 and 5 at #32. The #27 wires were the Bedini circuit and the #32 were connected in series and their output connected via a bridge rectifier to the souce battery.

Input was 24v at 80mA

My batteries were 12v 9Ah

Output from the series coils with no load was 36+v AC with radiant spikes too high to measure on my scope with the probe I have (More than 160v).

My goal was to feed back to the source to make a self runner but I found that the losses were too great and the batteries slowly lost power.

I then set about measuring the power output by charging a 12 4Ah battery that I had recovered with the SSG circuit. I did not know at the time that this output is negative energy.

The batteries I was using on the fan had died, or so I thought, and I threw them away.

I was now using a 24v dc supply transformer to power the fan.

When measured by powering a 12v 21w bulb, the 4ah battery lasted 2 hours after recovery. After the charge from the fan it lasted 3 hours. Wow. I recharged it again and placed it back on the motorcycle, it died the same day.

I placed it on a conventional charger and the battery drew 2A, got hot and boiled but would not charge. I placed it on my SSG wired fan and again it would not charge. I then put it on my 7 filar fan and it charged.

The next day I put it back on the motorcycle and it died again but I noticed the battery was hot and had lost a lot of electrolyte. I topped the battery up and recharged it on the 7 filar fan overnight. When I got up the fan was hot and had stopped, the battery was not charged, hot and full of white crystals. The fan was deformed because of the heat but not shorted and the Bedini circuit and bridge rectifier were fine.

I gave up on the 7 fillar fan.

After learning a lot more over the years reading everything I could on Bedini I learned that my output on this 7 filar fan was negative energy and also all the advantages and disadvantages of this form of energy. Bedini’s explanation of what it could do fitted my experience.

So No, I have not experimentally verified it but I have quoted Bedini with confidence that it is true based on my experience.

I have also found all gel type batteries are also eventually destroyed by the SSG circuit, some faster than others.
Ordinary lead acid batteries do not suffer the same fate on an SSG and can be put back into service without any problems. The issue of fluffy charges, I believe, is dying gel batteries, I have never had a fluffy charge on an ordinary lead acid battery.

[shingot]

but performance wise based on your experience which would you prefer direct radiant charging or with cap pulser?

[Guruji]

Ssg

Hi Mbrown regarding Gel batteries is there a way that can be revived after negative charging in you experience?
Thanks

[mbrownn]

but performance wise based on your experience which would you prefer direct radiant charging or with cap pulser?

I suspect that John Bedini’s high COP was done using the negative energy directly with no capacitors but I can’t be sure until I test it but I am reluctant to do so because of the potential to crystallise my batteries. That would make it an expensive test for me.
The next problem is how much use this “High COP” would be if it can only be achieved on resistive loads as most loads like washing machines etc. are inductive?

[mbrownn]

Hi Mbrown regarding Gel batteries is there a way that can be revived after negative charging in you experience?
Thanks

I have never recovered a battery that has been crystallised of any type.

I have cut open dried gel batteries and replaced the gel with acid but with limited success.

I have once been able to reverse the negative energy from a lead acid battery by completely flattening it down to milli volts output before charging it with my SSG.

Discharging the battery this far is not good for a battery so I would not recommend it unless you have nothing to loose

[mbrownn]

Hi Mbrown regarding Gel batteries is there a way that can be revived after negative charging in you experience?
Thanks

@ Farmland, thanks for that.

@ mbrownn,



what do you mean by that? appears shorted?



also, in what instance or mode of charging does your battery get destroyed?

@ guruji, yeah that's it, there should be a cap for it to be a cap pulser but it doesn't really need to be a FWBR, i think single diode would do - this is what i have.

A battery that appears shorted when charging, draws high amps and gets hot with no increase in voltage.

Gel batteries don’t like radiant, it dries out the gel, many will crystallise and the crystals do not dissolve in water or acid. I won’t put gel batteries on my radiant chargers. Putting a big cap in parallel with the battery will reduce this damage a lot but does not eliminate it. The only way is to charge the cap and delay the pulse to the battery so that all the radiant is converted to “normal” electricity first (Cap Pulsing) but don’t use more than a few volts above standing voltage.

I have never been able to recover a gel battery charged with negative energy.

[mbrownn]

but performance wise based on your experience which would you prefer direct radiant charging or with cap pulser?

Sorry about the multiple posts, I haven’t got the hang of the quote system yet.

I haven’t done a lot with cap pulsing but direct seems better on an SSG as there is no negative and no capacitor losses. On the SG you have the negative to deal with and all its associated problems so I think you need a cap there even though there is a loss.

I haven’t as yet been able to establish if there is an overunity effect with cap pulsing or just pulsing from a battery charger although there is a more efficient charge.

With an SSG I have achieved up to 97% efficiency of charge. Cap Pulsing has been mid 80% at best. The Bedini Tesla switch variant may be a little better but I need some new batteries to run the test.

Of course these tests are limited in the fact that there is lots of different capacitors to choose from and the accuracy of my meters + or – 3%

[kcarring]

I haven’t done a lot with cap pulsing but direct seems better on an SSG as there is no negative and no capacitor losses. On the SG you have the negative to deal with and all its associated problems so I think you need a cap there even though there is a loss.

Can someone explain this "fix" on the SSG circuit?