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**FRC** · 04-02-2011, 09:14 PM

Looks like a variation of a Bedini 10 coiler.

FRC

**yx630514** · 04-04-2011, 09:44 PM

Muller Motor / Generator is very similar

I feel, and Muller Motor / Generator is very similar.

**ltseung888** · 04-05-2011, 11:57 PM

The theory behind the Tong Wheel

It may be a good idea to explain the theory behind the Tong Wheel here.

There are certain statements that I shall justify in a number of separate posts. These Statements are:

1. The Tong Wheel is an OPEN system. Gravitational and Electromagnetic Energy can flow in and out of this system.

2. Tong Wheel can bring-in both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.

3. Pulsed rotation is the mechanism to bring-in the gravitational energy. The pulsing should be at the correct resonance frequency. In this case, the Tong Wheel must be in the vertical plane.

4. The bringing-in of the electromagnetic energy is more subtle. There are rotating permanent magnets interacting with stationary Collector Coils in a pulsing manner. The Tong Wheel in this case can be in any plane (vertical, horizontal or inclined at any angle).

5. The exact pulsing mechanism is important in the design efficiency. If the Wheel is large, a small tangential repulsion force can produce a large torque � resulting in higher efficiency and easier to fully use the bringing-in mechanism of energy.

6. The starting power supply was a battery providing DC power. The power collected by the Collectors was converted to DC for comparison. However, both Input and Output are NOT steady DC. Both are pulsed DC. Thus use of the Oscilloscopes and examination of the exact waveform is important.

7. The tuning of the Tong Wheel was done via positioning of the Proximity Switch, the number of Drive Coils used, the number of Collector Coils used, the voltage of the DC Battery, the Load on the Output side and the resistance of the wires or the value of the resistors used.

Have I missed any important theoretical points? If I have, I shall add to the above later. You will find that the same theory may be applicable to all the claimed pulse rotating wheels. Examples include Newman, Bedini, Adams, Muller, Wang, Liang, 225 HP etc. Thus, understanding of the Tong Wheel will help in the understanding of all these claimed OU wheels.

The water has been turned into wine. The tasting and serving of wine to the masses now begins. Amen.

**ltseung888** · 04-06-2011, 01:08 AM

The Tong Wheel is an OPEN system.

The Theory behind the Tong Wheel

1. The Tong Wheel is an OPEN system. Gravitational and Electromagnetic Energy can flow in and out of this system.

The most common objection to any device that claims that the Output Energy is greater than the Input Energy is the Law of Conservation of Energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only change from one form to another.

However, this Law only applies to a CLOSED system. If we can draw a real or imaginary boundary around our system and can definitely demonstrate that all interactions occur within this CLOSED system, we can apply the Law of Conservation of Energy confidently.

If there were a possibility that energy can flow in and out of the imaginary boundary, we cannot apply the Law of Conservation of Energy blindly. We must take into account the net Energy that may have crossed this imaginary boundary. This type of system is commonly called an OPEN system in Physics.

In Aaron�s words, such an OPEN system is in non-equilibrium thermodynamics.

In Lawrence Tseung�s word, such an OPEN system still obeys the Classical Newtonian Physics. We just need to identify and understand exactly how the energy flows in and out of the imaginary boundary. If possible, determine the quantitative value.

We cannot draw any imaginary boundary to limit the gravitational field. The Sun attracts the Earth, the Earth attracts the Moon, we attract each other. When we move, there is work done as work = Force x Displacement. In other words, there is constant interchange of Gravitational energy with any object in this universe. Any interaction with the gravitational field cannot be a CLOSED system.

Electromagnetic field is similar. Electric and magnetic fields are even more powerful and complex as they can have attraction or repulsion. They can be produced artificially via electric currents or magnets. They can be produced in different directions with different magnitude. They can be turned on and off. Any object has trillions of atoms with positively charged nucleus and negatively charged electrons. Any unbalancing of these charges will produce electric fields. Any orbiting electron will produce magnetic fields. These electric or magnetic fields will interact within the object and outside the object. In other words, there is constant interchange of electric or magnet energy from any object in this universe. Any interaction with the electric or magnetic fields cannot be a CLOSED system.

The water has been turned to wine. The Divine Revelation is clear. The server (physicist) just tastes and serves it to the Masses. Amen.

**ltseung888** · 04-06-2011, 09:34 AM

The Theory behind the Tong Wheel

The Theory behind the Tong Wheel

2. Tong Wheel can bring-in both gravitational and electromagnetic energy.

The detailed physics and mathematics is available under the thread:
Divine Revelation 2 - Bringing-in of Gravitational Energy

A quick summary is described here.

a. If a horizontal push is applied to a pendulum bob, the bob will be displaced both horizontally and vertically.
b. The previous WRONG assumption by many physicists was that the energy used to raise the height of the bob (increase its potential energy) comes from the supplied horizontal energy.
c. The correct physics and mathematics explanation should be that the increase in potential energy of the bob is the bringing-in of the gravitational energy via the tension of the string.
d. For small angles, two parts of horizontal energy will bring-in one part of vertical or gravitational energy. This gives a COP = 1.5

We can change the pulse-push to a pulse-rotation for higher efficiency. The Tong Wheel achieves this via the use of the Proximity Switch, the ratio of Drive Coils to Collector Coils and the varying output load.

1. The Proximity Switch will be turned on when a magnet passes across it. It will then send DC current via a relay to one or more Drive Coils. The Drive Coils will temporarily become magnets and repel the permanent magnets that just passed them. For example, the N pole of a Drive Coil will repel the N pole of a corresponding N pole of a rotating permanent magnet.

2. The strength of the repulsion can be varied with different number of Drive Coils. That number can vary from 1 to 15 (e.g. n) in the demonstration Tong Wheel.

3. The speed of rotation can be slowed down with different number of Collector Coils and the external load. That number can be (15 � n) or less in the demonstration Tong Wheel. A coil can even be disconnected and serve neither as Drive nor Collector Coil. Our external load was from 1 to 3 five watt lamps.

4. The DC current is switched off by the Proximity Switch when the permanent magnet passed farther away from it. The blinking of the LED light on the Proximity Switch would indicate such an action.

5. The best result should be a very short period of DC current providing the repulsion force and then the DC current is switched off to minimize the Input Power required. The Proximity Switch cannot do that as effectively as other mechanisms such as laser sensing to turn power on and off.

6. With the Tong Wheel, we were actually wasting Input Power because the DC Current was not switched off fast enough. If the switching off is not fast enough, the Drive Coil would still be on (with N pole facing the approaching the N pole of the coming permanent magnet). Instead of making the Tong Wheel rotate faster, it will retard the Tong Wheel and generate more unwanted noise and heat.

7. In the demonstration Tong Wheel, we did NOT seek highest efficiency. We stopped as soon as Output Power could be demonstrated to be greater than Input Power via the multimeters. We did not even have the oscilloscopes at that time.

8. There was much criticism that our measurement method was not up to the vigorous scientific method required (or even plainly wrong). I personally do not care about such criticisms as I spent weeks tuning the Tong Wheel and knew that there were sweet spots (or resonant positions) when Output Power as measured was higher than Input Power.

One group headed by Mr. Li in Shenzhen paid HK$120,000 or US$16,000 for a demonstration Tong Wheel. They improved it and were able to generate 1 Horse Power continuously. The battery could be recharged. The last thing I heard was that they were seeking investment to turn that into a product. Then all information became confidential. I fully believed that they could do it as I personally trained their eight engineers. They replaced the primitive Proximity Switch mechanism. Their factory already produced transformers and electric motors.

I believe that the many claimed OU Pulse Wheels work on similar principles. Some may be more efficient than others. More on that later.

**ltseung888** · 04-06-2011, 04:07 PM

The Theory behind the Tong Wheel

The Theory behind the Tong Wheel

3. Pulsed rotation is the mechanism to bring-in the gravitational energy. The pulsing should be at the correct resonance frequency. In this case, the Tong Wheel must be in the vertical plane.

The detailed physics and mathematics is available under the thread:
Divine Revelation 2 - Bringing-in of Gravitational Energy

One of the problems with Pulsed rotation is � what should be the magnitude and duration of the pulse? How much energy is brought-in with each pulse?

With magnetic repulsion as the main Driving force, we know that the distance between the coil and the magnet is an important factor. The repulsion force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance. This means that the DC pulse current should be supplied as soon as the permanent magnet passes across the Proximity Switch. Fortunately, the position of the Proximity Switch was constructed so that it could vary in position and angle easily. We could experimentally tune for the best position.

The Input RMS voltage would drop appreciably at a certain position. The current and the voltage should be on for a short period and off for a longer period. This would account for the Input RMS voltage drop even though DC was used.

The best rotational speed for a certain load should be from the minimum (Input Pulse Current x time) to maintain that particular speed. In reality, the Tong Wheel (and many other similar Wheels) might use much higher than this minimum as the control mechanism was not perfect or non-existent. In the Tong Wheel, there was no feedback except that another battery could be recharged. High revolution speed is not necessary and may even diminish the efficiency.

Some hint on the amount of gravitational brought-in was from our experiments on the Bessler type Wheel. That particular wheel had two tubes with soft padding at one end. A ball was allowed to roll and fall. The force produced when hitting the hard surface was larger than that when hitting the padded surface. (Force = rate of change of momentum.)
YouTube - Falling ball wheel with soft padding on one end

The longest rotational time at my home in Hong Kong was achieved with two three inch narrow tubes containing salt placed at the very edge of the wheel. A larger diameter wheel was founded to be more efficient.

Gravity has only one direction and one magnitude. Its effect will be diminished when tilted at an angle. The Liang car was an example as it was stated that it would diminish in efficiency when going up an inclined surface.

At present, I do not have a formula to calculate the quantity of gravitational energy brought-in via pulsed rotation. The formula I used as a guide was that from small angle oscillation (COP = 1.5). The Tong Wheel did not rely too much on the bringing-in of gravitational energy as its efficiency was only marginally affected when tilted even to the horizontal position.

Drops of knowledge accumulated over time can fill a bucket.

**ltseung888** · 04-07-2011, 11:27 AM

The Theory behind the Tong Wheel

The Theory behind the Tong Wheel

3. Pulsed rotation is the mechanism to bring-in the gravitational energy. The pulsing should be at the correct resonance frequency. In this case, the Tong Wheel must be in the vertical plane. (Continued)

The detailed physics and mathematics is available under the thread:
Divine Revelation 2 - Bringing-in of Gravitational Energy

One often asked question is � If I continuously supply energy to a wheel, it will rotate faster and thus store that energy. Why should I pulse rotate it?

This is an excellent question and worth some thought.

I shall use an analogy here. If someone pushes a swing with great force at the wrong frequency, he may still be able to get the swing to go to a high position. He does not need to rely on the bring-in gravitational energy to help him. In the brute force push, some energy is wasted in opposing or slowing down the motion of the swing. It is not the most efficient way.

If we continuously supply energy to a rotating wheel, the situation will be similar. The conventional engineering design thought is to get the wheel to rotate fast; add a heavy flywheel to maintain the speed of rotation. Ignore any bring-in energy. Just use the brute force energy.

The Pulse Wheel design thought is to provide the minimum Input Energy and use the bring-in energy as much as possible. The rotational speed may be much slower. It may change to match the load. A resonance condition needs to be found. That resonance condition is expected to change with different loads.

Thus the Pulse Wheel design may need a computer program to alter the pulsing rate and/or duration to match the load. I believe that this was done in the Liang Wheel and the 225 HP motor. Both claimed to have achieved hundreds of Output Horse Power.

With the Human Race, once a workable solution is found, they may ignore other better methods. In this forum, we actively seek other methods. Amen.

**ltseung888** · 04-07-2011, 05:55 PM

The common characteristics of Pulse Motors?

The common characteristics of Pulse Motors?

From: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...gn-review.html

Originally posted by toranarod View Post

I have been working with a variation of the Robert Adams Pulse Motor now for the last few months. �

All the literature about Robert Adams and his motor speaks extensively about cold current reversal, amazing efficiency figures, and drive coils that were run cold while having very low resistances while at the same time, pulling almost no current from the source supply.

My first attempts over the next few weeks obtained the complete opposite results. My drive coils were heating up to the point where they were melting the plastic they were wrapped in and current draw was so high that there was no way over unity could be achieved if I continued along this line of thinking. The motor appeared to be running fantastically, producing high RPM, fairly large amounts of torque and running so smoothly it was almost whisper quiet. As motors go it looked great, but electrically it was all going in the wrong direction. �..

After having constructed my most sophisticated magnetic coil setup and getting undesirable results yet again, the only other place to start looking was in the timing and navigation of the magnetic field, so I constructed some complex electronics and set about investigating this area. With the aid of a small micro processor to calculate pulse width duration and exact pulse delivery times some amazing things started to become evident. By doing away with the crude reed switches and pot luck approach to switching the system on and off results started to improve. Coil temperatures dropped drastically. Current flow dropped considerably. Battery life appeared to become almost infinite. I was amazed. Was it really that simple?

Switching on the coil when the magnet situated on the rotor was in the exact location (as pictured below) and turning off the drive pulse at the exact time when no longer required were the crucial principles that achieved the long sought after phenomenon (i.e. better known as the cold current reversal technique) and it appeared that any slight deviation away from these electrical characteristics would render over unity impossible.

I have continued working on and refining these principles. Now, when looking back I realize how close I had come so many times in the years gone by but not been able to recognize the elusive over unity giant even when it was staring me in the face. I am writing this report in the hope that others will pick up this research and publish papers on these principles to make these ideas commonplace. I am continuing this work and developing larger motor generators to power domestic appliances and even homes. I have a dream to be free of the grid and make power for my own home. I believe that now I can achieve this.

All information is open source.

cheers Rod

So the mystery of the Tong Wheel, the Bedini, the Adams, the Wang, the Liang and the 225 HP wheel is gone. Both the Liang and the 225HP devices have multiple wheels on the same axle. They both have programming. Rather than blind pulsing, they have �open eye� pulsing to achieve the high efficiency and the high output.

Blessed is the Almighty. HE guided me to other servers of wine. Amen.

**toranarod** · 04-07-2011, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by ltseung888 View Post

The Theory behind the Tong Wheel

3. Pulsed rotation is the mechanism to bring-in the gravitational energy. The pulsing should be at the correct resonance frequency. In this case, the Tong Wheel must be in the vertical plane. (Continued)

The detailed physics and mathematics is available under the thread:
Divine Revelation 2 - Bringing-in of Gravitational Energy

One often asked question is � If I continuously supply energy to a wheel, it will rotate faster and thus store that energy. Why should I pulse rotate it?

This is an excellent question and worth some thought.

I shall use an analogy here. If someone pushes a swing with great force at the wrong frequency, he may still be able to get the swing to go to a high position. He does not need to rely on the bring-in gravitational energy to help him. In the brute force push, some energy is wasted in opposing or slowing down the motion of the swing. It is not the most efficient way.

If we continuously supply energy to a rotating wheel, the situation will be similar. The conventional engineering design thought is to get the wheel to rotate fast; add a heavy flywheel to maintain the speed of rotation. Ignore any bring-in energy. Just use the brute force energy.

The Pulse Wheel design thought is to provide the minimum Input Energy and use the bring-in energy as much as possible. The rotational speed may be much slower. It may change to match the load. A resonance condition needs to be found. That resonance condition is expected to change with different loads.

Thus the Pulse Wheel design may need a computer program to alter the pulsing rate and/or duration to match the load. I believe that this was done in the Liang Wheel and the 225 HP motor. Both claimed to have achieved hundreds of Output Horse Power.

With the Human Race, once a workable solution is found, they may ignore other better methods. In this forum, we actively seek other methods. Amen.

Why should I pulse rotate it?

This is an excellent question and worth some thought. Because it only works during the correct position within the magnetic field.

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