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  • #31
    Just following along here on this interesting find. Thanks udayprashant! For anyone not having or liking MS Word here's a conversion of the above doc into .PDF (Adobe or much better PDF-XCview).
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    There is no important work, there are only a series of moments to demonstrate your mastery and impeccability. Quote from Almine

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    • #32
      Expansion tank/ Check valve

      @ woopy,
      I think that a simple swing check or spring check with an expansion tank combo as the more reliable valve that you are suggesting. It's funny, I laughed just like you did when i had my first one going. i couldn't believe I got one going in about 20 minutes, with a gallon ziplock and some other junk and tubing from the garage!


      Expansion tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      I think Uday has figured out how to build a reverse ram pump effect, using the suction end to do the work instead of the shockwave in the input side. Just a thought. Check out how a hydrualic ram pump works, maybe a similar design can be used with this effect.
      Last edited by Gdez; 04-24-2011, 07:06 PM.

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      • #33
        Yep Gdez
        you are probably right
        I retested the suction side and it is not always the same effect.
        Next week i will make a bigger experiment to get more reliable results

        @ Uday

        Thanks a lot for your experiment results

        and at all
        a so easy to replicate device must be done anyway

        good luck at all

        Laurent

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        • #34
          Hi all

          Have tried different valve system and everything works. The ballon is the most simpler to begin with IMHO.

          I have also tried to verify if the pulse jet is stronger than the regular . And it is . I simply turned the bottom of the tubing to the vertical. The regular jet simply fall down from the opening. And the pulsed jet make pulsed jump above the opening. So it seems that this device can also create compression of the water jet.
          Will make a video soon.

          Now i took some info on the ram pump. And they speak on 60 to 80 % efficiency.

          But to me it seems that they speak of the lost water efficiency . And as those pump can elevate the pumped water much higher than the motorising height input water, and if we consider that the HEIGHT of water is SQUARED in all stored energy formulas, the real energy gain is really impressive, what do you think ?

          Good stuff here

          good luck at all

          <Laurent

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          • #35
            Valves

            Hey woopy,
            I was wondering what valve combination you used. Also have you checked out a spiral pump? maybe the jet action could be used to drive the spiral pump, also pumping water up and/or compressing air, as in the drawing you presented above. The typical loss in a ram pump is 8 gallons for every one gallon pumped up. Cutting that loss in half would be very beneficial to my project. Maybe combining the ram pump with uday's pump and maybe even the spiral pump all in one would be what I should try to do with my project.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by woopy View Post
              Hi all

              Have tried different valve system and everything works. The ballon is the most simpler to begin with IMHO.

              I have also tried to verify if the pulse jet is stronger than the regular . And it is . I simply turned the bottom of the tubing to the vertical. The regular jet simply fall down from the opening. And the pulsed jet make pulsed jump above the opening. So it seems that this device can also create compression of the water jet.
              Will make a video soon.

              Now i took some info on the ram pump. And they speak on 60 to 80 % efficiency.

              But to me it seems that they speak of the lost water efficiency . And as those pump can elevate the pumped water much higher than the motorising height input water, and if we consider that the HEIGHT of water is SQUARED in all stored energy formulas, the real energy gain is really impressive, what do you think ?

              Good stuff here

              good luck at all

              <Laurent
              Great going Laurent!!! I would love to see those creative designs of yours in actual working condition.. i guess we have to wait before you release those videos...

              Good luck..... I feel it will come out with flying colors

              Uday

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              • #37
                I highly recommend that you watch this vid, it does an excellent job at introducing you to fractal antenna

                YouTube - &#x202a;Fractals: frequency, the heart, and cancer&#x202c;&rlm;

                It also talks about the heart and by extension the Doctor's Collapsible bladder:
                from: http://www.energeticforum.com/144908-post134.html

                the collapsible bladder (it may facilitate the creation/concentration of ORM in water ex:your heart ):

                YouTube - &#x202a;Innovative micro hydroelectric turbine&#x202c;&rlm;

                http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...c-turbine.html

                Though in video water flowing from tap is shown it works same way if there is a reservoir at starting of the collapsible bladder and if small pipe is connected to it.
                Clearly the processes of suction and pressure need to be examined.[ No beneficial, natural exchange can take place solely under conditions of pressure. . Viktor Schauberger

                Remember what Tesla said:

                Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause an effect. Nicholas Tesla
                ... before the blood enters or when it leaves the heart, the arteries do something that actually i have been discussing for a while:

                Vortical flow structure identification and flow transport in arteries

                1. Introduction
                Our interest in vortices arises for two reasons. Firstly, at moderate to large Reynolds
                numbers (at least 100) which characterise flow in larger arteries, vortices are quite
                persistent.
                The presence of vortices in a flow may exert a strong influence on its behaviour, although tracking vortices may be difficult as they can evolve rapidly. The effects of vortices or vortical structures are particularly evident when considering both flow stability, and the processes of mixing and transport by the flow. The object of this paper is to examine the dynamics both of vortex motion and of particle transport in arteries, and to relate these to parameters such as geometry and unsteadiness. The Lagrangian particle tracking and the vortex dynamic techniques which are described should help in understanding arterial fluid dynamics and suggest new approaches to modelling.
                the Constructal/Fractal law of nature:

                The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it[."
                remember this formula:

                E=M3/4


                Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-24-2011, 12:42 PM.
                Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                • #38
                  Innovative hydraulic engine

                  Originally posted by ashtweth View Post
                  YouTube - Innovative micro hydroelectric turbine

                  Thought there are some similarities there are more differences between classic hydraulic ram and present experiment especially the application of exploiting for hydroelectric power in manner illustrated.

                  Though in video water flowing from tap is shown it works same way if there is a reservoir at starting of the collapsible bladder and if small pipe is connected to it.

                  The most important point is that it enters at zero or negative head and works well at low velocity flows and therefore useful for hydroelectric power generation from small streams or rivers at waterfall areas and there is no requirement for constructing large dams/reservoirs for it to work. Hence it can be used as a very costeffective micro or pico hydroelectric plant in rural and hilly interiors where communications are difficult to establish. Once started the process goes on as long there is water continously flowing from above.

                  1) It converts continuous flow of water to pulsatile flow thereby energy from continuous source is made to release in pulses and therefore becomes more powerful and can turn parts much heavier than would be achieved by utilizing continuous flow.

                  2) The rotating mechanism shown is actually demo model of 2 stroke internal combustion engine and here instead of pulses of combustion of gas which happens in all engines the piston is connected to to & fro oscillating pipes produced by repeated waterhammer effect and this powers the jerky rotations of the wheel which are coupled to a dynamo.

                  3) The whole of water surface in contact with pipes is involved in energy transfer unlike conventional turbines where the blades in contact to fraction of water flow are used and for long time engineers dreamed of making a effective device which converts wider area of energy distributed in water resources
                  Thus it scores over Pelton wheel, Francis turbine or Kaplans and truly advanced next generation turbine.
                  This is continuation of another youtube video which I uploaded few months ago and the theoretical description of the working of model is better given there
                  YouTube - A Novel Heart Simulator

                  For any queries please contact me, I am the sole inventor for this new type of hydraulic applications. I have applied for patent and it is under process for approval

                  My name is P Udaya Prashant
                  I am a cardiologist by profession with other varied interests
                  My permanent address is
                  Plot no -306,
                  Jawaharnagar,
                  Moulali,
                  Hyderabad,
                  Andhra Pradesh,
                  India 500040.

                  Mobile no - +918008069202

                  email id is udayaprashant_p@yahoo.co.in


                  Ash
                  Innovative hydraulic turbine - YouTube
                  Last edited by udayprashant; 10-27-2012, 08:06 AM. Reason: Website changed

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                  • #39
                    Innovative hydraulic engine

                    Originally posted by ashtweth View Post
                    YouTube - Innovative micro hydroelectric turbine

                    Thought there are some similarities there are more differences between classic hydraulic ram and present experiment especially the application of exploiting for hydroelectric power in manner illustrated.

                    Though in video water flowing from tap is shown it works same way if there is a reservoir at starting of the collapsible bladder and if small pipe is connected to it.

                    The most important point is that it enters at zero or negative head and works well at low velocity flows and therefore useful for hydroelectric power generation from small streams or rivers at waterfall areas and there is no requirement for constructing large dams/reservoirs for it to work. Hence it can be used as a very costeffective micro or pico hydroelectric plant in rural and hilly interiors where communications are difficult to establish. Once started the process goes on as long there is water continously flowing from above.

                    1) It converts continuous flow of water to pulsatile flow thereby energy from continuous source is made to release in pulses and therefore becomes more powerful and can turn parts much heavier than would be achieved by utilizing continuous flow.

                    2) The rotating mechanism shown is actually demo model of 2 stroke internal combustion engine and here instead of pulses of combustion of gas which happens in all engines the piston is connected to to & fro oscillating pipes produced by repeated waterhammer effect and this powers the jerky rotations of the wheel which are coupled to a dynamo.

                    3) The whole of water surface in contact with pipes is involved in energy transfer unlike conventional turbines where the blades in contact to fraction of water flow are used and for long time engineers dreamed of making a effective device which converts wider area of energy distributed in water resources
                    Thus it scores over Pelton wheel, Francis turbine or Kaplans and truly advanced next generation turbine.
                    This is continuation of another youtube video which I uploaded few months ago and the theoretical description of the working of model is better given there
                    YouTube - A Novel Heart Simulator

                    For any queries please contact me, I am the sole inventor for this new type of hydraulic applications. I have applied for patent and it is under process for approval

                    My name is P Udaya Prashant
                    I am a cardiologist by profession with other varied interests
                    My permanent address is
                    Plot no -306,
                    Jawaharnagar,
                    Moulali,
                    Hyderabad,
                    Andhra Pradesh,
                    India 500040.

                    Mobile no - +918008069202

                    email id is udayaprashant_p@yahoo.co.in


                    Ash
                    Innovative hydraulic turbine - YouTube

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ashtweth View Post
                      YouTube - Innovative micro hydroelectric turbine

                      Thought there are some similarities there are more differences between classic hydraulic ram and present experiment especially the application of exploiting for hydroelectric power in manner illustrated.

                      Though in video water flowing from tap is shown it works same way if there is a reservoir at starting of the collapsible bladder and if small pipe is connected to it.

                      The most important point is that it enters at zero or negative head and works well at low velocity flows and therefore useful for hydroelectric power generation from small streams or rivers at waterfall areas and there is no requirement for constructing large dams/reservoirs for it to work. Hence it can be used as a very costeffective micro or pico hydroelectric plant in rural and hilly interiors where communications are difficult to establish. Once started the process goes on as long there is water continously flowing from above.

                      1) It converts continuous flow of water to pulsatile flow thereby energy from continuous source is made to release in pulses and therefore becomes more powerful and can turn parts much heavier than would be achieved by utilizing continuous flow.

                      2) The rotating mechanism shown is actually demo model of 2 stroke internal combustion engine and here instead of pulses of combustion of gas which happens in all engines the piston is connected to to & fro oscillating pipes produced by repeated waterhammer effect and this powers the jerky rotations of the wheel which are coupled to a dynamo.

                      3) The whole of water surface in contact with pipes is involved in energy transfer unlike conventional turbines where the blades in contact to fraction of water flow are used and for long time engineers dreamed of making a effective device which converts wider area of energy distributed in water resources
                      Thus it scores over Pelton wheel, Francis turbine or Kaplans and truly advanced next generation turbine.
                      This is continuation of another youtube video which I uploaded few months ago and the theoretical description of the working of model is better given there
                      YouTube - A Novel Heart Simulator

                      For any queries please contact me, I am the sole inventor for this new type of hydraulic applications. I have applied for patent and it is under process for approval

                      My name is P Udaya Prashant
                      I am a cardiologist by profession with other varied interests
                      My permanent address is
                      Plot no -306,
                      Jawaharnagar,
                      Moulali,
                      Hyderabad,
                      Andhra Pradesh,
                      India 500040.

                      Mobile no - +918008069202

                      email id is udayaprashant_p@yahoo.co.in


                      Ash
                      The video has been moved to new site
                      Innovative hydraulic turbine - YouTube

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