Glue Battery

[ibpointless2]

I've got something that is very unique when it comes to your simple galvanic battery. I'm calling it the Glue Battery because it replaces the water in your normal water battery. The glue is the median instead of water.

I got the idea from messing with Bedini Earth cells/cement cells; I wanted a cell that was just alike the cement cell but dries faster. So I used Elmer's glue and even all purpose caulk. To my surprise after the cell dried it still produced power! I found this quite interesting because to my understanding when glues dries all the water is removed, so why does this cell work?

Also since its glue it will hold the plate together which could slow down the galvanic reaction. Also the Glue protects the exposed plate to oxygen in the air, so this could also slow down the galvanic reaction too, and we could just be reading the potential of the plates.

here's a video of the cells and how I made them
YouTube - Glue Battery

Using bigger plates will give better amps, using wire doesn't give the best amps.

I'm thinking maybe I should add some metal flakes or something to the glue to make it more conductive since the water is being removed.

To make the cells is very simple. Take one Copper wire and one aluminum wire and place both in glue and let sit to dry.

If you a glue thats not Elmer's or all purpose caulk let me know your results.

[blackchisel97]

I've got something that is very unique when it comes to your simple galvanic battery. I'm calling it the Glue Battery because it replaces the water in your normal water battery. The glue is the median instead of water.

I got the idea from messing with Bedini Earth cells/cement cells; I wanted a cell that was just alike the cement cell but dries faster. So I used Elmer's glue and even all purpose caulk. To my surprise after the cell dried it still produced power! I found this quite interesting because to my understanding when glues dries all the water is removed, so why does this cell work?

Also since its glue it will hold the plate together which could slow down the galvanic reaction. Also the Glue protects the exposed plate to oxygen in the air, so this could also slow down the galvanic reaction too, and we could just be reading the potential of the plates.

here's a video of the cells and how I made them
YouTube - Glue Battery

Using bigger plates will give better amps, using wire doesn't give the best amps.

I'm thinking maybe I should add some metal flakes or something to the glue to make it more conductive since the water is being removed.

To make the cells is very simple. Take one Copper wire and one aluminum wire and place both in glue and let sit to dry.

If you a glue thats not Elmer's or all purpose caulk let me know your results.

Interesting find Elmer's glue as well as commonly known white or yellow (carpenter's glue) contain PVA - polyvinyl acetate, vinyl polymer with a formula (C4H6O2)n. Acetate means that acetic acid has been used in polymerization process.
There is some more resources - Poly(vinyl acetate)

Chalk is a form of a limestone, composed of calcite - calcium carbonate or CaCO3, common compound found in rocks, shells. Both are used in house paints as well as "gesso" - used in surface preparation for future artwork.
So, what we have is mildly acidic and base substrates. Again, more resources - Calcium carbonate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems that there are chemical processes going on which result in potential across the wires. In other words, glue acts as an electrolyte.
Iron nail dipped in glue and left will in time develop rust coating. Wonder if wires will be subject to corrosion as well

Since you mentioned conductive component, I was wondering about Shungite. It is interesting rock and conductive. Can be also purchased as a fine gravel or powder (used in invert water purification). It comes from Karelia.
Shungite in nutshell

Thanks for sharing this

Vtech

[teslaproject]

Test again IB

I've got something that is very unique when it comes to your simple galvanic battery. I'm calling it the Glue Battery because it replaces the water in your normal water battery. The glue is the median instead of water.

IB

You are going to have to run the test again. I have been building these type of batteries for a long time now and its very apparent where the energy comes from. Unfortunately, nothing is free and it is just plain old galvanics. While I applaud your experimenting, you have overlooked something that is glaring you right in the face

I watched your youtube video and spotted what you have missed.

What is it that you have glued the copper and aluminium to as a 'test bed'? A piece of cardboard! It ISNT the glue and caulk that is the galvanic electron bridge here...its the cardboard my man!

Whether you think its possible or not or whether that piece of cardboard 'feels' dry to you is irrelevant. You can do it with a crappy paper towel too. Even at low air humidity of 11%, there is enough moisture in the cardboard to form a weak bridge and fire up a 'static' field to form a bridge between your electrodes and then give a reading of volts on the multimeter. SADLY THERE WILL BE NO CURRENT THOUGH.

I suggest that if you want tosee whether the caulk/elmers is a true bridge between the electrodes, you need to rerun the test and this time glue it to a insulator like glass or plastic. You will find that you have zero volts after that.

TP

[teslaproject]

Test again IB

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[ibpointless2]

Plastic works too

IB

You are going to have to run the test again. I have been building these type of batteries for a long time now and its very apparent where the energy comes from. Unfortunately, nothing is free and it is just plain old galvanics. While I applaud your experimenting, you have overlooked something that is glaring you right in the face

I watched your youtube video and spotted what you have missed.

What is it that you have glued the copper and aluminium to as a 'test bed'? A piece of cardboard! It ISNT the glue and caulk that is the galvanic electron bridge here...its the cardboard my man!

Whether you think its possible or not or whether that piece of cardboard 'feels' dry to you is irrelevant. You can do it with a crappy paper towel too. Even at low air humidity of 11%, there is enough moisture in the cardboard to form a weak bridge and fire up a 'static' field to form a bridge between your electrodes and then give a reading of volts on the multimeter. SADLY THERE WILL BE NO CURRENT THOUGH.

I suggest that if you want tosee whether the caulk/elmers is a true bridge between the electrodes, you need to rerun the test and this time glue it to a insulator like glass or plastic. You will find that you have zero volts after that.

TP

I thought the same thing when i first built the cells, cardboard was easy to get because I had it laying around. I Made new cells yesterday to test the idea and I used plastic from a cup and I still get voltage. The Best part is the plastic cell is doing much better than the cardboard one. I even have pictures I place at the bottom of this post. I even Have some cells that use only aluminum plates and they still show voltage, small voltage, but its still voltage.

I was fairly sure it wasn't the cardboard in the first place due to the 700mV reading i was getting. When I put copper and aluminum in water I get over a volt, so I figure the glue might be more resistive.

So it is the glue that is working and not the cardboard due to the fact that I have cells on plastic that work.

[teslaproject]

IB

I thought the same thing when i first built the cells, cardboard was easy to get because I had it laying around. I Made new cells yesterday to test the idea and I used plastic from a cup and I still get voltage. The Best part is the plastic cell is doing much better than the cardboard one. I even have pictures I place at the bottom of this post. I even Have some cells that use only aluminum plates and they still show voltage, small voltage, but its still voltage.

I was fairly sure it wasn't the cardboard in the first place due to the 700mV reading i was getting. When I put copper and aluminum in water I get over a volt, so I figure the glue might be more resistive.

So it is the glue that is working and not the cardboard due to the fact that I have cells on plastic that work.

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IB

Good stuff man. In scientific discovery, the main thing is that you eradicate all the variables. Hard glues and epoxies will not 'carry' any voltage through and considering caulk (not sure what youre using) can stay 'gooey' with a acidic/moisture content (hence the reason why it remains pliable), this will be the main carrier of your voltage, not the elmers.

Some silicones are not fantastic insulators because of this reason and you really have to read the label and know your chemicals if you plan to use this stuff around high voltage.

So, youre getting a voltage, we all know is not difficult to accomplish but what about current? That would be close to zero with this.

Best
TP

[ibpointless2]

IB

Good stuff man. In scientific discovery, the main thing is that you eradicate all the variables. Hard glues and epoxies will not 'carry' any voltage through and considering caulk (not sure what youre using) can stay 'gooey' with a acidic/moisture content (hence the reason why it remains pliable), this will be the main carrier of your voltage, not the elmers.

Some silicones are not fantastic insulators because of this reason and you really have to read the label and know your chemicals if you plan to use this stuff around high voltage.

So, youre getting a voltage, we all know is not difficult to accomplish but what about current? That would be close to zero with this.

Best
TP

If there's voltage there's current. I do get current but its small, much weaker than the water battery equivalent. I am able to charge capacitors with this too so there is power coming from these cells. The big reason why I get little current is because of my little plates, wires won't give the best readings as one might expect. I need bigger plates so that I can get bigger results.


My questions are: When glue dries it evaporates the water, so when its dry why do these cells still work? Also since it's glue it will bond to the plates so How can the galvanic reaction occur if the plate touching the glue is not able to move or is not exposed to air or water? It seems the glue will keep the plates from breaking down do to the strong bond. Many Test lay ahead me.

[altrez]

If there's voltage there's current. I do get current but its small, much weaker than the water battery equivalent. I am able to charge capacitors with this too so there is power coming from these cells. The big reason why I get little current is because of my little plates, wires won't give the best readings as one might expect. I need bigger plates so that I can get bigger results.


My questions are: When glue dries it evaporates the water, so when its dry why do these cells still work? Also since it's glue it will bond to the plates so How can the galvanic reaction occur if the plate touching the glue is not able to move or is not exposed to air or water? It seems the glue will keep the plates from breaking down do to the strong bond. Many Test lay ahead me.

Glue takes a long time to cure. Sometimes it can be measured in years. How is this? Ask yourself why.

Its simple the outside layers dry very fast forming a solid that is near air proof. Its the coating that slows down total drying time considerably. I have witnessed concrete stay wet for many months based on this effect.

Have you ever had a bottle of glue that the cap was dried solid yet if you cut it, the inside is still mostly a liquid?

-Altrez

[teslaproject]

Exactly

Glue takes a long time to cure. Sometimes it can be measured in years. How is this? Ask yourself why.

Its simple the outside layers dry very fast forming a solid that is near air proof. Its the coating that slows down total drying time considerably. I have witnessed concrete stay wet for many months based on this effect.

Have you ever had a bottle of glue that the cap was dried solid yet if you cut it, the inside is still mostly a liquid?

-Altrez

Precisely.

Just like the 'dry' paper towel or piece of cardboard, your perception of the caulk being 100% 'dry' is erroneous IB. Galvanics only need one tiny moisture chain to provide a link in order to show voltage.
Altrez is correct about his observations on concrete and glue.

There is one simple test that all the delusional 'crystal cell' theorists fail to run and it is this. IF....IF concrete cells and similar are TRUE crystal cells, then they should work if you eradicate the water. As Altrez pointed out, moisture stays locked inside concrete at a constant humidity for decades (at the deep core) and hence if you have two electrodes planted within this, it will be enough to provided minimal useless voltage. Now back to the crystal cell test - - - Take your concrete or magical mix of rocks that you think is generating voltage via the etheric universe and place it in an oven at 180C for about 30 minutes until you have evapped the last water from the 'stone'. NOW, while it is hot and dry, put your multimeter on the electrodes.....BIG FAT ZERO. It won't even register a microvolt.

Over the next day or so, if you leave the cell in a room, you will be surprised that the ambient humidity is enough for the ''hungry' dry stone cell to suck moisture back in and start up the galvanic process again.

This is how you conduct scientific experiments. Not by proclaiming something is crystal cells and "must be getting power from here or there" without first going through every obvious scenario. Besides, common sense dictates that a true crystal cell would be AC just like crystal radio which receives pulses of energy from an unseen source and NOT DC like a galvanic battery.

Lastly, when I asked you about current IB, yes I realise there will be some current there, but I mean usable, not 1-2 microamps.

TP

[ibpointless2]

I never understood why I take so much heat for these cells? I never said these could be crystal cells. I make a battery using glue and I get bashed, but Bedini Makes galvanic battery too and he gets praised. I don't understand this?

As for amps the most I've seen from a SMALL wire setup is 90uA. Like I've stated before using SMALL wire plates will not give the best readings but they do charge capacitors and with capacitors I can do real work. With bigger plates I'll get more power. I don't expect to run my house off two pieces of wires. Also at least I made something that is easy to replicate and doesn't require a mysterious antenna or something crazy like that.

Maybe, just maybe I have eliminated the galvanic reaction. You see when you have a galvanic battery you have two dissimilar metals, but what happens when you use the same metals. Instead of using copper and aluminum you only use aluminum for both plates. So now where is the energy coming from? And yes I have built these cells before, some using glue, but most using just distilled water. here some videos for all of you.
YouTube - They say it can't be done The Same Metal Water Battery
YouTube - Same Metal Water Battery Might be Magnetic



So how can you have a galvanic reaction when you're using the same metal in distilled water?

[kcarring]

Cool bud. Try sandwiching layers of aluminum foil and window screen with glue. many layers. might not corrode like aluminum normally does. wonder if it'd be rechargeable

[teslaproject]

No worries

I never understood why I take so much heat for these cells? I never said these could be crystal cells. I make a battery using glue and I get bashed, but Bedini Makes galvanic battery too and he gets praised. I don't understand this?

As for amps the most I've seen from a SMALL wire setup is 90uA. Like I've stated before using SMALL wire plates will not give the best readings but they do charge capacitors and with capacitors I can do real work. With bigger plates I'll get more power. I don't expect to run my house off two pieces of wires. Also at least I made something that is easy to replicate and doesn't require a mysterious antenna or something crazy like that.

Maybe, just maybe I have eliminated the galvanic reaction. You see when you have a galvanic battery you have two dissimilar metals, but what happens when you use the same metals. Instead of using copper and aluminum you only use aluminum for both plates. So now where is the energy coming from? And yes I have built these cells before, some using glue, but most using just distilled water. here some videos for all of you.
YouTube - They say it can't be done The Same Metal Water Battery
YouTube - Same Metal Water Battery Might be Magnetic



So how can you have a galvanic reaction when you're using the same metal in distilled water?

IB

I'm not giving you heat mate OK. When I speak about people testing (and the crystal cells) that was a conversation in general due to idiocy I have read at other forums along with this one at other threads.

I hear you about 'the guru followers' and how people suck ass to Bedini without doing the tests whereas they might challenge you. That's NOT what I was doing. I asked you a few things along with stating additional facts on cells that are outside the scope of your glue cell. So again...no offence OK.

I don't mean to dissaude you from your course of experimentation but as a 'neutral scientist' you have to also be prepared for honest criticism and questioning especially if it comes from those who have done the tests themselves and arent blathering about theory.

I don't proclaim to have all the answers regarding these cells but ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN - Remove the moisture (acid, water, whatever) and you have NO POWER. Where there IS moisture and a dissimilar electromotive series making the anode and cathode, you WILL HAVE CORROSION. It might be slow, it might seem to be imperceptable to your naked eye, but these along with all the other guys that are doing magnesium cell tests and say "oh yeh I ran it for 4 days and I cant SEE degradation is NOT scientific method. Believe me, the magnesium is being eaten! At least be honest about it and conduct testing properly.

Regarding your 'same metal' water batteries, there are actually plenty of reasons why you can be still generating voltage. Im not going to go into all of it but just one of them is the simple fact that just because your roll of aluminium wire says 'Aluminium' on the side, doesnt mean that the only thing in it is Aluminium. What grade Ali is it (there are scores) and many (especially wire) are alloyed with magnesium and other metals to affect the tensility. From one foot to the next the purity within that wire/sheet, could be out enough to provided a slight imbalance between the anode and cathode....bingo you have your voltage. Nothing is 100% pure.

Regards

TP

[blackchisel97]

I never understood why I take so much heat for these cells? I never said these could be crystal cells. I make a battery using glue and I get bashed, but Bedini Makes galvanic battery too and he gets praised. I don't understand this?

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking for answers and possibilities just as you do and I never criticized anyone on this forum for constructive thinking. I try to understand what is or maybe going on in those cells over period of time. I do question things not because I know the answer but because I'm searching for one, just as you do


Vtech

[mk1]

Nice work !

I wonder if the shape of the plates could help i got i feeling a self charge cap/battery made in a spherical shape or half sphere could capture wave of any type .

2 half of sphere one in the other , like a cap similar material or dissimilar for the battery variation ...some elmer in the middle and voila .


Mark

[ibpointless2]

Regarding your 'same metal' water batteries, there are actually plenty of reasons why you can be still generating voltage. Im not going to go into all of it but just one of them is the simple fact that just because your roll of aluminium wire says 'Aluminium' on the side, doesnt mean that the only thing in it is Aluminium. What grade Ali is it (there are scores) and many (especially wire) are alloyed with magnesium and other metals to affect the tensility. From one foot to the next the purity within that wire/sheet, could be out enough to provided a slight imbalance between the anode and cathode....bingo you have your voltage. Nothing is 100% pure.

Regards

TP

Even If the aluminum had other metals alloyed to it, its still the same one metal. When they are alloyed to another metal they become a new metal. So i'm still using the same metal, even though its not pure aluminum its still the same metal. In order to separate the other metals from the aluminum would require some type of energy to do so, but I'm not giving energy I'm taking energy.

So in order to have a galvanic reaction you need the cell to have dissimilar metals. Even if one metal is a aluminum-copper alloy and the other is a aluminum-magnesium alloy, that is still dissimilar metals and yes that is galvanic reaction. But if both plates are only aluminum-magnesium alloy then it can't be galvanic because both metals are the same and thus no electron flow.


If you do have more reason as to why the same metal water battery idea works then please post. Thanks. I really want to solve this.