Interesting concept for a water purification system

[Armagdn03]

I would be interested in seeing a conceptualization (hand drawn or whatever) of what you see this apparatus looking like and what construction materials (based on your early research) it could potentially be made from. It would be great to keep poorer countries in mind so that folks with little to no resources could do it as well. There are lots of folks who could contribute plenty on this forum....don't worry about it being too simple...that's a great starting point !!

Thanks for your research and insight !!



Will

Ask and ye shall receive! I have collected a few simple materials, and am gluing at the moment

No worries about "too simple", the simpler the better.

[boguslaw]

Again : I'm talking about something else : not evaporation.

Check water properties. It looks it is made ready for purification process. It has unique features among other elements from the same group.
All other are gases in our normal circumstances !
I'M SURE it can be converted into gas and back into 100% PURE water again.
So no evaporation, no Brown gas by electrolyse but isomer changing due to special ionization. All radiation, biological and chemical salts dissolved will remain residual in container after the process. Because only water has that ability.

Now you see something important : everything is special made for us, Earth also. We are just fools and concentrate on stupid things .... Yeah , people -make another Fukushima...

[Armagdn03]

Again : I'm talking about something else : not evaporation.

Check water properties. It looks it is made ready for purification process. It has unique features among other elements from the same group.
All other are gases in our normal circumstances !
I'M SURE it can be converted into gas and back into 100% PURE water again.
So no evaporation, no Brown gas by electrolyse but isomer changing due to special ionization. All radiation, biological and chemical salts dissolved will remain residual in container after the process. Because only water has that ability.

Now you see something important : everything is special made for us, Earth also. We are just fools and concentrate on stupid things .... Yeah , people -make another Fukushima...

Thanks for the input. The goal for my thread here was to make available water purification to the masses using common household items. If your method can accomplish this I am all ears (a good idea is a good idea)

[Armagdn03]

Here is the heart of the device as it stands now





The two magnets are large ceramic guys I picked up for 12.50 at a local surplus shop.

The white guide is simply made for hiding wires inside a house or office building, cost me 10$ for 5 feet.

The guide will be sandwiched in between the two magnets.

As it stands, water will enter the device through the leg of the "Y". As can be seen from the picture, there are wires running along the sides of the "Y" track which will be charged with high voltage. As the water passes down this chanel, the positive ions will be drawn to the negative terminal of the wire, and the negative ions towards the positive wire on each side of the track. As they move forward also, they will experiance further force (hall effect) from the magnetic field at right hand orientation to the flow. Both the magnetic and electric forces are set up to move positive ions towards one direction and negative towards another.

As they reach the intersection, they are allowed to go on their way, being split appart into two solutions.

This is step two (step one will be using the Kelvin Water Drop concept to generate the voltage needed for the separation before the water enters the magnetic Y intersection.)

[sucahyo]

What kind of testing will you do Armagdn03?

I think perhaps you might have misread where the ions im my post come from. What you are referring to is self ionization of the water, or ionization caused by current flow through water...In my description the ions are already present, they are the impurities, this is what makes it an electrolytic solution. I used salt water as a description. Mix salt in with water, and walla, you have ions. Dont think Stan Meyer, as this is a different form of ionization.

No, salt in water is not ion. Salt ion is Na+ and Cl-. Just like water H+ and OH-.

Ion refer to something with voltage potential. Salt has zero potential. Energy is needed to ionize it.

The insulated electrodes are only to provide an electric field gradient, nothing more, whether there is water in the cup, air, oil etc... the electric field will pass radially through. No electron flow, just field.

The ions are separated by the electric field, once this happens, they have either a net positive charge towards the center and negative towards circumference, or vice versa. The magnetic field is there because of the way these charged particles act according to the right hand rule in a magnetic field. This is further separation of ions, AND further stimulation of rotational vortex. The magnet strength is more than enough!

Please investigate the rate. Would 100% of water will be ionized or just 0.01%?

Yes I agree, all those dissolved materials are gennerally ions, not electrically neutral particles (and even if they were they can still be separated in this manor) The vortex naturally stratifies according to density therefore even without the magnetic / electric assist, the vortex itself can do much of this. The electric field and magnetic field augment the gravity induced vortex by including a self induced electrical vortex as well.

see the principle of GEET which use vortex, it need high energy too, in term of heat to ionize the fuel. vortex do not do much alone.

Right now what I have first described will do this! in fact many electrically based water purification systems on the market (kongen) sell products which output two forms of water, one good for you one not so good...same phenomenon.

Market product of kangen water use current, see the power consumption rate or how they make a big deal of surface area or how long their platinum plated electrode can last.

Put the chlorinated water through again, and you will have a separation of neutral particles (water molecules) and the highly negatively charged ions (chlorine).

Ion will not stay ion forever, they will try to make stable molecule. It is a high change that it will produce chlorine as toxic gas.


I am not suggesting that you can't produce a better water, but I think you need more. voltage potential will do little. magnet and vortex do some because there are already testimony that people get good result, search magnetic water trap vortex.

Other important things is how do you test the water.

[Armagdn03]

Hello again!

What kind of testing will you do Armagdn03?

No, salt in water is not ion. Salt ion is Na+ and Cl-. Just like water H+ and OH-.
Ion refer to something with voltage potential. Salt has zero potential. Energy is needed to ionize it.

This is not quite the case, I am sure you are a bit confused because of the nature of the ions. When salt is desolved the Na+ and Cl- ARE ions. In fact they DO have a potential. The issue is that under the conditions of a solution, they are all intermingled, with no NET charge anywhere, meaning the summation of all of their charges is zero, meaning you do not normally notice a potential difference.

In fact natural ionic separation of water is how the water drop experiment works.

One of the first things I did (and I will have to take a video later) was to pour salt water through that Y tube and through the magnets. I had a multimeter probe in each solution that came out of the Y sections. As water was poured out, the magnet directed positive ions out one side of the Y track, and negative out the other, and guess what??? The voltage on the multimeter began to climb! Not really a mystery, and I definitely expected this to happen.

Please investigate the rate. Would 100% of water will be ionized or just 0.01%?

My device does not ionize anything actually. The water is already ionized and I am separating the charged ions into two camps, positive and negative. Then through discharging the electrical charge in each solution, I release the ions, chlorine into gas, and the sodium precipitates out.

see the principle of GEET which use vortex, it need high energy too, in term of heat to ionize the fuel. vortex do not do much alone.

Cannot comment much here, ill look more into this.

Market product of kangen water use current, see the power consumption rate or how they make a big deal of surface area or how long their platinum plated electrode can last.

Yes I know this, I have a friend who has one. I used it as an example of separation of already present using current, but like I said, mine will be a potential field only.

Ion will not stay ion forever, they will try to make stable molecule. It is a high change that it will produce chlorine as toxic gas.

Yes after two solutions of ions are electrically discharged into one another, chlorine gas probably will be evolved. If done outside, not really a problem. but something to be aware of.

I am not suggesting that you can't produce a better water, but I think you need more. voltage potential will do little. magnet and vortex do some because there are already testimony that people get good result, search magnetic water trap vortex.

Other important things is how do you test the water.

I really think people are underestimating the power of the magnet and potential field! So far, my device works with magnet ALONE, not great, but does work.

Right now I am concentrating my effort on creating the largest potential difference between the two solutions which come out of the device. The more ionic separation has taken place, the more voltage will show between the two output solutions. I have bought a pH meter and testing kit online, but for now the potential difference is a good indicator.

[totoalas]

Alkaline ncreasing ph of water

Ismael Healthy Mineral Water

Hi to all
Very interesting thread in water purifcation
By simply using a fogger for ultrasonic waves and an aquarium aerator
for bottled water with ph of less than 6 was able to raise it up to 7,3 ph
the plastic tap with n s oriented ring magnets
feels good
Magnet secrets by Peter linderman is also a good reference

YouTube - Purify ocean water
Spin off
YouTube - magnet hho
Vortex
YouTube - Vortex Your Water, For Health.
if you can combine the above with off the shelf parts
Then we have a spring water cloned lol
cheers
totoalas

[sucahyo]

Thanks Armagdn03. Will look forward for your results.

No plan for blind water taste testing?

Why do you consider more potential difference to be a good thing? Water conduct or produce voltage more if it contain more salt. Isn't more salt = bad?

Will look forward for pH testing too.

[totoalas]

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[Armagdn03]

Thanks Armagdn03. Will look forward for your results.

No plan for blind water taste testing?

Why do you consider more potential difference to be a good thing? Water conduct or produce voltage more if it contain more salt. Isn't more salt = bad?

Will look forward for pH testing too.

Oh im sure there will be a few taste tests....

I consider more potential to be good for because this is a two step removal process. The first step separates all the ions, this gives us our potential diferennce. The more thoroughly the ions were separated, the higher the voltage will be. Thus higher voltage = better ionic separation.

One I discharge the ions through a load, the charges will be nuetralized, and the sodium and Clorine will either precipitate out or evolve gas. Every time you neutralize the ions you make the water more pure.

[Armagdn03]

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I have not looked into how the machine works, but I am familiar with similar products. This is what I am trying to create for less than 100 bucks.

I had planed to remove both alkilinity and acidity, however one could skip the ion discharge phase, and puposelly keep a highly alkaline water for consumption and tweaking of the bodies pH balance.

[Aaron]

alkaline internal, acidic external

I have not looked into how the machine works, but I am familiar with similar products. This is what I am trying to create for less than 100 bucks.

I had planed to remove both alkilinity and acidity, however one could skip the ion discharge phase, and puposelly keep a highly alkaline water for consumption and tweaking of the bodies pH balance.

If you purposely have an acidic water, that is good for external use and
is good for cleaning.

I hope you succeed in making something that meets the goals for under
$100!

[totoalas]

Ismael Healthy Mineral Water

Thee was a nhk video showing the growng of oysters in japan
1 Those streams coming from denuded forest flowing to the sea produce small oysters

2. They rejuvunated the forest and planted more trees
results were 5 times larger than previous ones
So Spring water from mountains springs eternal life
In the Philippines
healers rejuvinate and recharge their powers thru a series baths on natural springs in Mt. Banahaw
Seawater is abundant
and your quest for a cheap purified water is a worthy cause
Hope others can share their expertise on
this

[totoalas]

Cheap UV soluton

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[totoalas]

Natural pH ndicator

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HT...-acids/Natural pH ndicator