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    Hello everyone! I hope I'm not about to beat a dead horse here, but I can't quite find what I'm looking for in older posts, so I'm hoping to bring it up new.

    I'm looking into earth battery tech. I'm not using anything fancy, I'm utilizing graphite and magnesium rods. The graphite rod is north of the magnesium, buried deeper than the magnesium. I'm currently testing the best placement at my address to optimize voltage/current (my magnetic inclination is 66.6 degrees) and I have a total of ten rods each which I hope to utilize later once i've found the optimum placement.

    To date, my best voltage is in the AA battery range (about 1.54 v and somewhat less). My record current was a spike at 80 mA (which sank like the Titanic over time). These readings came from my rig with the carbon rod placed 4'4" north and 9' down from the Mg rod. The carbon is 1" dia and about a foot long. The MG rod is roughly 1.25" dia and 1'9"long.

    Here's where I'm dancing on my own feet. From what I understand, if I make a row of these and hook them up in parallel, the current won't increase, in series the voltage won't increase, because it's all in essence in the same electrolyte (dirt) acting as a unified anode/cathode. I understand that everyone suggests "isolating them with something like plastic". That isn't feasible here and it'd just make a galvanic battery anyways.

    So I've given it plenty of though and this is where I'm thinking of going:
    Make the ten batteries (just find the best arrangement and line them all up one after the other in a long line with all the magnesium rods making a line going East-to-West and the Graphite following in suit somewhere north of the magnesium). That's ten cells each putting out 1.5 volts (hypothetically). If I then use a toroid to transfer the voltage from the individual cells to a single circuit that runs through all the toroids, would the induced voltage sufficiently "isolate" each cell from one-another while combining their power in the induced line? I guess the attached picture is the best way of describing the idea. My intended application is to use something like the Slayer/Lidmotor/Xenomorph/etc.etc. tech from the Big Joule Thief thread to run various things around the place.

    What's everyone's thoughts? Is this feasible? Do you propose a better solution? And I'm terribly sorry for such a longwinded first post.

    Edit: Is there any chance that using inductor coils wouldn't work due to the DC nature of the current? Would I have to connect each battery to a dedicated inverter/oscillator prior to trying to run it through the inductor coil to produce a flux breakdown? Or is a DC current just fine in this application? (I may want to mention my associate's degree is not in electrical engineering)
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    Last edited by Romanader; 04-22-2011, 04:41 PM. Reason: Had another thought.

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    Could you try set up the earth batteries like a voltage multiplier using germanium diodes?
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    • #3
      Oh well, I thought they could be directly added together. But now you mention it I can see why that probably won't work. My earth battery experiments are on hold due to distractions, but my plan was to combine several.

      You're idea seems to be valid to me as long as there is some oscillation to cause the transformer action. This is very interesting to me so i dearly hope you can crack it. It could be usefull to many people.

      Cheers

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Inquorate View Post
        Could you try set up the earth batteries like a voltage multiplier using germanium diodes?
        Well, the problem I've seen with just about all voltage multipliers is that they A: use AC electricity and B: sap high amounts of current in exchange for voltage with some rather undesirable losses further down the line.

        Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
        ...my plan was to combine several.

        You're idea seems to be valid to me as long as there is some oscillation to cause the transformer action. This is very interesting to me so i dearly hope you can crack it. It could be usefull to many people.
        And you're right, transformers (like V multipliers) also need AC or pulsating DC so between you and Inquorate it looks like I need to find a low-power oscillator circuit.

        I figured there would be a number of people interested in something like this since it's not only Earth Batteries that produce low power signatures, but also that energy from the air stuff and similar technologies that don't play well with being connected directly in series/parallel.

        So I think I'll need to play with some low-power oscillators first and maybe use those to power a flyback or similar transformer.
        Last edited by Romanader; 04-25-2011, 01:16 AM. Reason: Typo Hunting!

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        • #5
          Direct Current vs. Alternating Current

          The typical voltage multiplier circuit only works with a source of alternating current. Same for a typical transformer. The joule thief circuit takes a direct current source, such as an earth battery generates, and creates an alternating current. Technically, it creates a unidirectional square wave. However, you can take the output of the joule thief circuit and create a reasonable approximation of your typical alternating current. Which can THEN be multiplied or transformed.

          So, I suggest that you isolate each of your ten pairs of electrodes through isolation transformers. You can then put them in series for more voltage or parallel for more current.

          If you don't create some kind of isolation scheme you will simply end up short circuiting all your earth batteries and end up with next to nothing.

          I hope this explanation helps you.
          There is a reason why science has been successful and technology is widespread. Don't be afraid to do the math and apply the laws of physics.

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          • #6
            Whoa!

            I didn't think about that! I didn't know the Joule Thief could drive a transformer! So... Wow!
            That really makes the project immensely easier! It's raining here right now (April Showers and all that) so while it's soaking wet I'll be winding coils and soldering until I get a chance to drop more rods!
            Thanks Wayne! That... that firmly plants this project in the DIY field!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Romanader View Post
                Hello everyone! I hope I'm not about to beat a dead horse here, but I can't quite find what I'm looking for in older posts, so I'm hoping to bring it up new.

                I'm looking into earth battery tech. I'm not using anything fancy, I'm utilizing graphite and magnesium rods. The graphite rod is north of the magnesium, buried deeper than the magnesium. I'm currently testing the best placement at my address to optimize voltage/current (my magnetic inclination is 66.6 degrees) and I have a total of ten rods each which I hope to utilize later once i've found the optimum placement.

                To date, my best voltage is in the AA battery range (about 1.54 v and somewhat less). My record current was a spike at 80 mA (which sank like the Titanic over time). These readings came from my rig with the carbon rod placed 4'4" north and 9' down from the Mg rod. The carbon is 1" dia and about a foot long. The MG rod is roughly 1.25" dia and 1'9"long.

                Here's where I'm dancing on my own feet. From what I understand, if I make a row of these and hook them up in parallel, the current won't increase, in series the voltage won't increase, because it's all in essence in the same electrolyte (dirt) acting as a unified anode/cathode. I understand that everyone suggests "isolating them with something like plastic". That isn't feasible here and it'd just make a galvanic battery anyways.

                So I've given it plenty of though and this is where I'm thinking of going:
                Make the ten batteries (just find the best arrangement and line them all up one after the other in a long line with all the magnesium rods making a line going East-to-West and the Graphite following in suit somewhere north of the magnesium). That's ten cells each putting out 1.5 volts (hypothetically). If I then use a toroid to transfer the voltage from the individual cells to a single circuit that runs through all the toroids, would the induced voltage sufficiently "isolate" each cell from one-another while combining their power in the induced line? I guess the attached picture is the best way of describing the idea. My intended application is to use something like the Slayer/Lidmotor/Xenomorph/etc.etc. tech from the Big Joule Thief thread to run various things around the place.

                What's everyone's thoughts? Is this feasible? Do you propose a better solution? And I'm terribly sorry for such a longwinded first post.

                Edit: Is there any chance that using inductor coils wouldn't work due to the DC nature of the current? Would I have to connect each battery to a dedicated inverter/oscillator prior to trying to run it through the inductor coil to produce a flux breakdown? Or is a DC current just fine in this application? (I may want to mention my associate's degree is not in electrical engineering)
                Hi Romanader
                One way to think of earth batteries is to think of each magnesium and garphite couple as a seperate cell. And that each cell needs to be atleast six feet from another cell so they can be treated like a battery after that.
                The only exception is that if they are side by side(still six feet apart) they cant be places in a series.
                Bizzy
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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Romanader View Post
                  I didn't think about that! I didn't know the Joule Thief could drive a transformer! So... Wow!
                  That really makes the project immensely easier! It's raining here right now (April Showers and all that) so while it's soaking wet I'll be winding coils and soldering until I get a chance to drop more rods!
                  Thanks Wayne! That... that firmly plants this project in the DIY field!
                  Hi Romanader, I am also working with this sort of batteries here, but since I do not use earth(dirt) as the electrolyte medium, I do not have the isolation problem as yours. Nevertheless, the problem I encounter is the polarity flipping of the cells, which never can exceed 2.4V DC when connected in series. Some of the cells flipped polarity and countered the series connection potential, making the overall voltage to be under 2.4V.
                  I do not know why this phenomenon occur, and the cells I am building are made of copper laminates, graphite laminates and Alum solution as electrolyte, using 3M green fiber towel as the isolation medium.
                  aaron5120

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