Ignition Secrets by Aaron Murakami - *** NEW RELEASE ***

[masster]

1. Read my previous posts about bypassing the distributor.

in your book you say: "If you want to make it more rugged, then make a string for EACH sparkplugs you have and place the string from the primary of the ignition coil to the HV of each spark plug individually."

and since you are not saying anything new in this topic, things are still foggy.

why don't you draw a schematics showing how is it possible to fire in turn 4 spark plugs using a single ignition coil and no distributor?

because the schematics in your book (for one spark plug) and your explanation for circumventing the distributor just don't add up, while a drawing worths 1,000 words.

[Aaron]

bypassing the distributor

It is only the low voltage high current source (capacitor) that
is bypassing the distributor. The distributor is still firing the HV
in order.

[malohnes]

Hi Malohnes,

I only recommend the streetfire because it is very affordable and is
actually made by MSD - just their budget model.

Easy timing option is a good thing - is that a trim dial on the module?

Just make sure the diode directions are congruent with the polarity of
the ignition coil .

on the Amsoil - I love that stuff! Every engine I ever put it in ran
smoother and quieter with a noticeable power increase.

Hello Aaron!
Thanks for your reply.
No worries, I figured your referral of the Streetfire was for the reasons you mentioned, but you implied there are others that worked and was hoping that it included the one I am looking at. It is the DIS 4 unit for distributorless engines.
It does have a trim dial on the module - up to 30 degrees retard, for nitrous and blown applications according their instructions.
So, if I am understanding you correctly, the diode strings do go from the negative triggers to the positive primary and I also can make diode strings from the secondary outputs to the plugs for more effect. This what I understand form your book. Simple enough.
I have my old coilpack, wires and plugs that I am gonna wire in parallel to my current setup to test things before permanently installing the whole set-up on my engine...I don't have the means of rigging up a switching system to fire everything from the bench.
Thanks for the help.
Mark

[masster]

It is only the low voltage high current source (capacitor) that
is bypassing the distributor. The distributor is still firing the HV
in order.

to me this looks like you are beating a dead horse, because I asked you for a simple drawing and you acted so slippery. no need to disclose your uber-secret-diode thing, just use blocks, rectangles with STRING written inside.

come on Aaron, be a man and either admit your 'invention' has no application in distributor engines, or draw that drawing.

P.S. when you answer right after a post, unless you quote only a portion of it, there is no need to quote the entire post...

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

Masster, get a refund or learn how to talk to me in a respectful way.

I don't appreciate your attitude or your insinuations.

You can email me with your invoice number and I'll be happy to show
you what you want to know. But you're not going to make demands of
me telling me what I need to give you, etc...

There are cars running RIGHT NOW with my method bypassing the
distributor EXACTLY as I have explained clearly to you.

Bypassing a distributor is the SAME THING as putting the capacitor
in parallel right across the plug. I seriously fail to see why you insult
me after I explained that.

[masster]

well, let me tell you why you feel insulted: I asked you CLEARLY what would happen inside a distributor when HV is jumping the gap from rotor arm to spark wire terminals (a golf-ball-size plasma inside a plastic cap) and you said "no problem, we circumvent the ditributor... but we still distribute the spark as usual...".
if that is a normal answer... better stay with that spiritual entrepreneurship, whatever that might be...
on the other hand, I think you make too much fuss for only a diode over ignition coil, it is not like you invented the wheel or hot water...

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

well, let me tell you why you feel insulted: I asked you CLEARLY what would happen inside a distributor when HV is jumping the gap from rotor arm to spark wire terminals (a golf-ball-size plasma inside a plastic cap) and you said "no problem, we circumvent the ditributor... but we still distribute the spark as usual...".
if that is a normal answer... better stay with that spiritual entrepreneurship, whatever that might be...
on the other hand, I think you make too much fuss for only a diode over ignition coil, it is not like you invented the wheel or hot water...

Ask for a refund - you are not qualified to work on this project.

You should keep your critiques to automotive carpet shampooing videos
because you are simply speaking out of pure ignorance. Take your mouth
elsewhere.

IF you bought the package and are able to comprehend the ENGLISH
language, you know there are TWO components to the plasma. High
voltage and low voltage.

If you cannot comprehend the FACT that the HV is still being sent to
each plug at the distributor even when the LV has another path to the
plug, then the simple facts are that you have absolutely no common sense.

I already told you to email me with your invoice number so I can see
whether I am dealing with an actual customer or some time wasting idiot. If
you don't want to reveal your identity to me by doing that, too bad,
get a refund and leave this plasma method to grown ups that know how
to read, think and comprehend - and can communicate to others without
insulting them out of ignorance.

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

So, if I am understanding you correctly, the diode strings do go from the negative triggers to the positive primary and I also can make diode strings from the secondary outputs to the plugs for more effect.

Hi Mark,

You don't need the diode string from the ignition coil secondary output. The
only place you want the diodes are from the capacitor to the plugs.

Seeing that the cap is already connected to the primary of the ignition coil,
by placing a diode string from the coil's primary terminal, you're already
connected to the cap.

I have spoken to someone with experience in plasma ignitions and they
always had problems getting my method to work with MSD's. I don't know
why. He said it is because the cap isn't connected totally to the primary
of the ignition coil. Instead, it is chopped by a FET, which of course it
would be to give multiple bursts per trigger. However, I have not had a
problem with the Street Fire and a couple other MSD units from the MSD
company. I found it worked fine with a standard CDI I used as well.

[malohnes]

Thanks Aaron, I think I understand more completely now. It is tough to shake old ways of looking at things, especially when something can be so simple. We tend to dismiss the simple for the more complicated!!!

Another challenge is that there are many different methods for getting energy from the coil to the plugs, and not many of them in more recent renditions use a distributor. Getting the concept of this plamsa technology to work on the systems require a certain amount of experiment that some folks don't want to play with.

When funds allow, I'm gonna get that MSD system and see if it works, for now I am gonna play with what I got and perhaps experiment with Bergstresser and Kiker techniques, as I feel they are viable alternatives as well. They also help with the concept of this plamsa spark as a whole. Many folks here have knowledge and skills beyond others and it may be basic to them. I am learning as I go.

[malohnes]

Oh, I just found out there are some more videos as part of the ebook package I just found and your notes video with explanation of the circuit diagrams was really, really helpful. Please keep it coming. I am enjoying this so much.
Thanks again,
Mark

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

Hi Mark,

Glad you found the vids helpful.

With Kiker coils, I don't think you can get any lower resistance than that
and if there is some other benefit to coiling the tubing, then all the
better. The duplication vids showing the spark with Kiker coils show a
real visible increase. I haven't used it together with the plasma myself
but worth a shot.

[nathan571]

Forgive redundancy if this question was answered and I missed it. Does the book's information apply to vehicles with electronic ignitions? I'm not sure what can be done to reduce interference on a car's computer. But even if all I can do is reduce the spark plug's resistance a bit and add some capacitance to the hv line, I'd be happy with it. Info on this topic would be very helpful and well worth the price for me.

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

Forgive redundancy if this question was answered and I missed it. Does the book's information apply to vehicles with electronic ignitions? I'm not sure what can be done to reduce interference on a car's computer. But even if all I can do is reduce the spark plug's resistance a bit and add some capacitance to the hv line, I'd be happy with it. Info on this topic would be very helpful and well worth the price for me.

Hi Nathan,

I have never heard of anyone experiencing electrical interference from
using plasma ignitions.

The information does apply to electronic ignition systems.

If you have a spark plug cable that fits onto a spark plug then you can
use plasma ignition - pretty much including all cars. But, it is the most
difficult if there are COP's (coil on plugs) the coil that sits directly on top
of the ignition coil because it is difficult to get into the boot connecting
to the plug - especially when the cop's are bolted down flat.

You could always get the package and see if it gives you want you need
for your car - it has a 60 day guarantee.

p.s. There are a few people involved in a disinformation campaign about
my method claiming it cannot be used on cars with distributors - the same
would apply to electronic distribution methods. They are false. My system
can be used with distributor or electronic distribution methods by simply
bypassing it with diode strings going to the boots of the spark plugs.

[nathan571]

Thanks for the info, that is good to hear. I was probably unduly influenced to think that because of what I haven't been hearing from the plasma ignition industry. That spark plug is just sitting there with all that untapped potential, of course I have to do something with the ignition system. Thanks for all your hard work on this subject and on the forum in general. I look forward to reading it.

[Athal]

Plasma Replication

Aaron,

I've been long time studiing ignition sistems and I have to say that your compilation is very clear. Is a nice point for starting experiences with plasma jet's.

I've done with a friend a replication of the plasma discharge using a 555 trigger:

PROJETO IGNIÇÃO HIDRO-PLASMÁTICA - YouTube

And have also been experiencing with coaxial design sparkplugs.

But I have some doubts about car implementation: I've injected an old chevy 250 straight six engine with injection using Megasquirt, so I have full control for Lambda and ignition advance.

Plasma discharge means better flame propagation, faster burn. So it can produce detonation or engine pinging.When using plasma modified ignitions what would be a conservative curve correction (retard) of ignition advance to start with??? Is it possible to use zero advance???

How affects the engine compression ratio to the capacity to burn lean mixes with plasma ignition??? What's the leaner mix ever burnt with plasma ignition without having engine pinging???

Are available any comparative dyno charts with plasma ignition??? It would be great having A-B-A comparisons (before plasma - after plasma - without plasma).

Regards,
Athal