Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[qvision]

Thanks pmazz.

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I just thought I would mention that, I think with this type of setup, the final product/device needs to be able to run continuously. So increased rotational speed and stresses will be a design factor.

Benifits need to be seen in robust arrangements that don't get too hot. Or wear out from from increased speed. Meaning this might work well with small designs that are run for a few minutes, but what of medium sized units with good output power.

I have a feeling these shorted coils might get hot. How long can a coil be shorted like that next to a spinning rotor before it burns up. I don't know that it will get hot, I'm just guessing. Has anyone measured temperatures as a result of shorting and not.

Surely shorting will heat up the coils being shorted if they are shorted continuously. Heat is loss, unless you want a heater. If I was goin to short I think I would do it with a switch like Rod does. Taking the backside or frontside ( the right hand side) off the wave seems like a good idea rather than have it permanently shorted.

And Elias' idea of the using the big caps in the lower voltage area seems like a very good idea too. Many others as well. Some good discoveries here.

I'm kinda of the opinion that no Lenz will equal no power. And that Lenz and power go together. Beating Lens or eliminating it with (coils and rotor) will in my opinion mean very little output. Lens Seems to be a sign of removed energy. I think I would prefer to look for a way to overpower it cheap or for free like with waterwheel or wind turbine or ZPE powering a motor.

I like you're realistic outlook Rod (and others) and that you are happy to share the good and the bad or rather (the not so good). I will be definately going through this thread when I get a spinny thing going and try out some of the idea's in here, there are so many great idea's. I can't resist. I'm off to town to see what I can scrounge.

Regards all.

[lespaul109]

romero/thane heins hybrid

So I had success last year with my first Heins generator accelerating under any load. A few days ago I had the idea of winding the 7 strand wire in a normal way, but use 3 of the strands as a Heins generator, and the other 4 in a romero pulse circuit. The purpose of winding them on the same bobbin is so that they would share a core thus preventing the addition of drag from other cores. Another differences to romero's design is that the rotor has 12 magnets and alternating poles, which is what the Heins gen needs to accelerate. Instead of having a trigger magnet adjacent to each magnet, only every other magnet will be used for the pulse. Today I finished the rotor and stand; I made it 300mm. I found a good price on magnets if anyone cares to know it, $2 ea. for 3/4X3/8 N42....free ship. Did I read awhile back that someone added a 500ohm pot in place of the 100ohm resistor in romero's circuit to vary the speed/input power?

[lespaul109]

I forgot, can anyone tell me what the resistance of a standard 7 strand romero coil is?

[pmazz850]

I forgot, can anyone tell me what the resistance of a standard 7 strand romero coil is?

I think it was 2 ohms.

[toranarod]

info on shorted coil (posted originally by Dave45 )

Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation - YouTube

Thanks MonsieurM
one the more useful video. this has some very reliable data.

[toranarod]

Data
Recorded RPM 4557
Magnets site on rotor diameter of 170 millimeters.
We have a Magnet speed of 128 Kmh.
35790 mm a second.
coil had a Diameter of 14 mm.
L= 9.2mH / .92 Ohm
T=L/R
This took the magnet 391 micro Seconds to pass the coils.




MY magnetite has arrived

[ron48]

Hi again great effort everyone below is some more info from romero. hope it helps ron


There are things I cannot explain, some because I cannot and some because I cannot understand them even myself.
Watching Mariuscivic videos should be enough for most of you to get the effect, there is not a secret anymore.
The system as is now is not very reliable as I said many times before, it needs readjusting when the load is changed and we loose the effect totally. I am doing more experiments to be able to avoid some of the problems. I have nothing to show yet as some of the parts for the new device are not ready. I have already changed the structure for the new build after a disaster (broken parts) while some testing where the speed was too high.
I am recommending everyone to be very careful and avoid usage at very high speed.
The effect can be replicated even with lower speeds if the coil is right.
I have no formula to calculate the proper coil, just a lot of work winding many times, adding or removing turns....
Any coil can speedup the system if the rpm is right.
Get the speed effect with a coil then check the rpm where you notice the effect is starting and after that add or remove about 10-50 turns. Check again RPM and based on that you know if you need to get up or down with the number of turns.
When you are happy with the rpm then you can think of the other coils.
Adding more coils in the system will change everything, coils that were working ok before are not going to behave the same...
For that is better to have the coils built with many taps at different number of turns.That can help a lot in tunning all coils.
It is painful and requires lots of time and patience.
The core can be almost any type but normal iron based are going to get hot very quick when tunning is complete.
Another suggestion for the Muller type is to have the top and the bottom coil not in perfect line.

Best regards,
Romero

[toranarod]

Hi again great effort everyone below is some more info from romero. hope it helps ron


There are things I cannot explain, some because I cannot and some because I cannot understand them even myself.
Watching Mariuscivic videos should be enough for most of you to get the effect, there is not a secret anymore.
The system as is now is not very reliable as I said many times before, it needs readjusting when the load is changed and we loose the effect totally. I am doing more experiments to be able to avoid some of the problems. I have nothing to show yet as some of the parts for the new device are not ready. I have already changed the structure for the new build after a disaster (broken parts) while some testing where the speed was too high.
I am recommending everyone to be very careful and avoid usage at very high speed.
The effect can be replicated even with lower speeds if the coil is right.
I have no formula to calculate the proper coil, just a lot of work winding many times, adding or removing turns....
Any coil can speedup the system if the rpm is right.
Get the speed effect with a coil then check the rpm where you notice the effect is starting and after that add or remove about 10-50 turns. Check again RPM and based on that you know if you need to get up or down with the number of turns.
When you are happy with the rpm then you can think of the other coils.
Adding more coils in the system will change everything, coils that were working ok before are not going to behave the same...
For that is better to have the coils built with many taps at different number of turns.That can help a lot in tunning all coils.
It is painful and requires lots of time and patience.
The core can be almost any type but normal iron based are going to get hot very quick when tunning is complete.
Another suggestion for the Muller type is to have the top and the bottom coil not in perfect line.

Best regards,
Romero

Another suggestion for the Muller type is to have the top and the bottom coil not in perfect line.

This is an interesting statement. Not seen or heard of this before.
Is Romero going against what he was told to do when he had his other motor
taken. Or am i missing something?

[elias]

there maybe a direct mathematic relations between the magnets used (size/diameter/gauss)

and the rotor dimension....

all i can tell you is that:



Access : Solid-state physics: Golden ratio seen in a magnet : Nature

Interesting quote, did I mention that attraction is 1.6 times stronger than repulsion in magnetic fields? This is what I have noticed this year. It seemed realistic to me because attraction must be stronger in existence so that it yields a stable universe. Convergence must be stronger than divergence, to unify. Female must be more dominant than male to yield peace.

[elias]

Another suggestion for the Muller type is to have the top and the bottom coil not in perfect line.

This is an interesting statement. Not seen or heard of this before.
Is Romero going against what he was told to do when he had his other motor
taken. Or am i missing something?

Something that I have noticed before and hope to build a video to demo it is this:

I used about 300 turns of double filar coil of 1mm wire. When I loaded the first filar with an 80W 12V lamp it started to drag the rotor until it stabilized at a speed. Then I used the other filar in parallel to the first filar, what do you think that happened? Yes the drag decreased, increasing the speed of rotation, and the light became brighter drawing more current. I think that this is the effect that we must be looking to optimize. What do you think that will happen if I add another filar? And another one, and another one ... I don't know until I test it out.

Elias

[ron48]

Hi rodney
This is the last statement he made on his website yesterday, i am just putting up his comments to see if it helps you get to the breakthrough that we all are hoping for all the best ron.

ps he is about to start experimenting with different ways to do things but he has said he will not be the one to release a free energy machine after all the fuss it caused.

[Farmhand]

This is an interesting video by Magluvin.

Finding resonance lock with coil and rotor - YouTube

Note the lack of strong field around the generator coil without the capacitor.

[qvision]

Farmhand, nice one, Magluvin does good stuff, this is really interesting. I am puzzled as to why his magnet poles were in the vertical plane but his coils were horizontal though !


QV.

[toranarod]

Something that I have noticed before and hope to build a video to demo it is this:

I used about 300 turns of double filar coil of 1mm wire. When I loaded the first filar with an 80W 12V lamp it started to drag the rotor until it stabilized at a speed. Then I used the other filar in parallel to the first filar, what do you think that happened? Yes the drag decreased, increasing the speed of rotation, and the light became brighter drawing more current. I think that this is the effect that we must be looking to optimize. What do you think that will happen if I add another filar? And another one, and another one ... I don't know until I test it out.

Elias

I am very interested in this. Could you just draw a quick diagram and post.
I don't want to put you to much trouble. I would like to see the diagram just to be clear.

I think it has something to do with raising Inductance and lowering resistance.
What do you think?