Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[qvision]

@ myenergetic, thanks for that document

[toranarod]

[QUOTE=myenergetic;157190]

I cut it up into 150 stripes and glued them together in a block of laminate.
rolling it up was not workable.

Hi there

All of you are doing an impressive research work.

@ Toranarod

Hope the link shall provides some data of the Powder Core Materials design data comparison

Regards

http://www.micrometals.com/appnotes/...ds/ocpcmic.pdf

this is going to be very helpful
I have printed it out to read over coffee
Thank you

[elias]

Hi Elias,
thanks for posting your interesting video.
I have a question:
If you use your two 1mm strands (in parallel) to light one of the bulbs you will get a certain rpm.
If you keep these connected and then short the third wire (the 0.5 mm one) will it then speed up?
Significantly?
And will the light get brighter or dimmer?
Thanks

Hi

I think that the light will diminish, and the rotor will speed up, This will cause the Voltage over the other strands disappear, as I have tested before. I am at a vacation and not near my motor to verify again. I think that this shows something really interesting, how can we draw more current and increase the brightness of the lamp while speeding up according to the established laws? Unless the phase delay of the current is causing it work for us instead of against us. What we have been thought is that the phase delay causes the real power to diminish, but as we see, this was not the case in that experiment.

When current gets delayed, the voltage gets delayed too. Because the current is flowing through the lamp and the coil, and they must be at the same phase, but current starts flowing with a lag in accordance to our rotor magnets, decreasing the overall drag. This also shows that smaller the R of the load the more acceleration we can achieve.

One test needs to be done, measuring the voltage and current on the load by an oscilloscope.

I am looking forward to see some test of Rod with his new coil, that will show us many things!

Elias

[elias]

Have you seen this video: Regenerative acceleration under load - YouTube
This is the circuit he has used:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?a...ch=53865;image

[toranarod]

Hi

I think that the light will diminish, and the rotor will speed up, This will cause the Voltage over the other strands disappear, as I have tested before. I am at a vacation and not near my motor to verify again. I think that this shows something really interesting, how can we draw more current and increase the brightness of the lamp while speeding up according to the established laws? Unless the phase delay of the current is causing it work for us instead of against us. What we have been thought is that the phase delay causes the real power to diminish, but as we see, this was not the case in that experiment.

When current gets delayed, the voltage gets delayed too. Because the current is flowing through the lamp and the coil, and they must be at the same phase, but current starts flowing with a lag in accordance to our rotor magnets, decreasing the overall drag. This also shows that smaller the R of the load the more acceleration we can achieve.

One test needs to be done, measuring the voltage and current on the load by an oscilloscope.

I am looking forward to see some test of Rod with his new coil, that will show us many things!

Elias

Thanks Elias

So is Rod
here is the coil. looks nice and was my best wind. 49 strands of wire
what a night mare.
210 turns 3.8 mH and R= 0.56 Ohm with Iron Laminate core
It work. But only at 6000 RPM. I need to do a lot more test before a draw any
conclusions. test today, wiring all strands in parallel. I will separate them tomorrow.

[Shadesz]

I couldn't help but post this here... It is from Romero. The bold is as I suspected. It makes sense to me.

Hi,
I would like not to reffer to that muller device I had. What I am talking is about speed under load or short. I read on the forums people saying that we cannot have any benefit from this effect and we will never have higher speed than without the generator coil in place. I don't wanna start another conflict with some of the clever brains and because of that I am not insisting to prove they are wrong.
It will be easy for the people who managed to have acceleration under load/short to measure the rpm before adding the generator coil and again after the generator coil is in place.The only important thing is to use the right sequence, as I said before, the effect will take place at more than one place and the right core material is of a great importance.
Lately i discovered that the shape of the magnets and the shape of the core are very important too. Cube is better than round for the magnets. If the core has the end facing the rotor in a conical shape it is better too.
Just having the edge of the core polished a bit will make a difference, more sharp that cone will be even better.
Unfortunately I discovered some of this recently and I built my new generator with round magnets but the cores I managed to improve. It will not make a huge difference but sometimes little things counts.

Regards,
Romero

I think the 'conical' coil (core) face on a Muller is akin to a flat coil (core) face on the Adams. I believe it has to do with the rotor magnets line/angle of approach and retreat.

I wonder why square magnets are better than round? They are using square on the new muller design too.

[Shadesz]

Rod,

Do you mind posting a closeup picture of your generator coil mounting assembly on both the Muller and the Adams? I feel there is some important information there.

Good work on that coil! I hope you can find some good from it!

Thanks,
David

[qvision]

The only advantage i can see in cube magnets is the evenness of the approaching field as it cuts the coil.

[mariuscivic]

Hi guys!

I have 6 coils speeding under short. But if i put the bridge rectifier they are not speeding.
Any sugestions? (i can make a video)

[mex]

[pmazz850]

Did you make that rotor or is it salvaged from something?

[toranarod]

Hi guys!

I have 6 coils speeding under short. But if i put the bridge rectifier they are not speeding.
Any sugestions? (i can make a video)

mariuscivic
I have recorded the same affect many times the 1.4 volts drop across the bridge
is to high for the time constant the coil charges up to long and Lenz is on the job.
My answer was.
Faster RPM or use schottky diodes
they do work very well.

[toranarod]

I couldn't help but post this here... It is from Romero. The bold is as I suspected. It makes sense to me.



I think the 'conical' coil (core) face on a Muller is akin to a flat coil (core) face on the Adams. I believe it has to do with the rotor magnets line/angle of approach and retreat.

I wonder why square magnets are better than round? They are using square on the new muller design too.

You maybe right. This s a great observation. I hope somebody is writing this down.

[mariuscivic]

mariuscivic
I have recorded the same affect many times the 1.4 volts drop across the bridge
is to high for the time constant the coil charges up to long and Lenz is on the job.
My answer was.
Faster RPM or use schottky diodes
they do work very well.

Thank you Toranarod! I will try to find this schottky diodes

[toranarod]

Thanks Elias

So is Rod
here is the coil. looks nice and was my best wind. 49 strands of wire
what a night mare.
210 turns 3.8 mH and R= 0.56 Ohm with Iron Laminate core
It work. But only at 6000 RPM. I need to do a lot more test before a draw any
conclusions. test today, wiring all strands in parallel. I will separate them tomorrow.

conclusion and this is only my thoughts, from what i have tried.
Litz wire is great for a drive coils but not so good as a generator coil