Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I've finally finished my 10 coils and mounted them. I'm using a 6 magnet rotor made from mdf.
I notice comments made about mdf and It has worked well for me, though i probably haven't exceeded 2500 rpm with any of the rotors i have.
I use thin super glue for the center hole and that reinforces that area well.
I don't see a problem with mdf as long as your not going to be exceeding 2500 rpm and my setup surely won't be going that fast, I don't think, we'll see. Though it has and is still in one piece.
Here is a pic of the coil/cores, once the last two coils glue is dry, I'll be putting it back together and run some tests.


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peace love light
tyson

[toranarod]

Hello Every one
I wish you all good luck as well.

Yes the muller replica is a very complex motor it have many parts.
I have spent the entire day wiring it up.
There are so many parts to solder and check. its like no other pulse motor
or magnet motor I have built.

It is a very nice design. It has cost more than any other and taken longer to put together.

Anyway its running.

so much to say about it. Romero was really on to something with the magnets
on top of the coils. I just started to tune and destroyed my drive circuit.

its going to be a very long process of setting up and tunning.

[toranarod]

I'm trying to get something done with available materials and time. It won't be fast progress as yours guys but I can't just watch
Nice job Rod and Lidmotor - pleasure to watch, as always.

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And later today I did manage to make some some spools -


I'm thinking of using two acrylic discs protecting coils on both sides of a rotor. One is just sitting on top of spools atm.

Vtech

very nice Bobbins. can you give us a hint on what turns and wire you intend to wind. What are the bobbin dimensions.

[blackchisel97]

very nice Bobbins. can you give us a hint on what turns and wire you intend to wind. What are the bobbin dimensions.

My spools are 30mm (1-1/8") high. Discs are 42mm and 3mm and cut with thin blade hole saw from (1/8") thick cutting board.
ID or core diameter is 11.5mm (7/16"). I used 5/8" OD plumbing plastic pipe. The cost of material for 18-20 spools is < $10.

I want to try multistrand as romerouk did but also want to explore later the Muller coil with step winding. I'll go with 300 turns for romerouk replication.
I still need to get the wire and magnets.
I was thinking of trying double 1A/30V Shottky as a bridge.
Magnetite for cores just arrived today but there is a postal workers strike looming and I don't know how badly other orders may be affected. Will do what I can atm.

Thanks

Vtech

[woopy]

Hi Rod

fantastic work

can't wait to your first results.

I am also in front of a running machine, and trying to undesrtand some very puzzling things.

For instance why . when the machine is spinning , with a load on the generative coils , i get some output on the 7 gen coil all together, and then if i disconnect for instance 3 of those coils (that is to say about 43 % of the generative power ) , i see only a very small decrease of the output power and almost nothing in the input power

The outer magnet are also very important why ??

Yep not so simple at all this machine, it is a real pitty that Romero quit,
Or at least if he faked it , as he sayd, he could explain how to do , so the replicators could find a good way to puuzzle for fun some scientist, before a good beer.

@ Lidmotor

Really interesting work. Always interesting and helping videos. Too good thanks


Bravo and good luck at all

Laurent

[Mark]

Try hooking a seperate load up to those 3 coils and see what happens.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, very nice setup so far toranarod. When will you be firing it up for first tests and tuning, etc.
Hi blackchisel, looks like you've some good materials there for a good setup.

Everyone, keep the faith, anything is possible and I mean that literally, ANYTHING.
Though In my case, I look to see good things for humanity and the world and this device when self running does not just take, like our societal systems, it not only takes what it needs from nature, it gives back even more.
This is the model and example for us all.
Take what you need and give as much and more as you can back.
Doubt serves no purpose, it is a waste of energy.
positive constructive focus is what I shall focus on.

Anyway, I'll be putting my setup back together today for the start of testing.
peace love light
tyson

[toranarod]

Hi Rod

fantastic work

can't wait to your first results.

I am also in front of a running machine, and trying to undesrtand some very puzzling things.

For instance why . when the machine is spinning , with a load on the generative coils , i get some output on the 7 gen coil all together, and then if i disconnect for instance 3 of those coils (that is to say about 43 % of the generative power ) , i see only a very small decrease of the output power and almost nothing in the input power

The outer magnet are also very important why ??

Yep not so simple at all this machine, it is a real pitty that Romero quit,
Or at least if he faked it , as he sayd, he could explain how to do , so the replicators could find a good way to puuzzle for fun some scientist, before a good beer.

@ Lidmotor

Really interesting work. Always interesting and helping videos. Too good thanks


Bravo and good luck at all

Laurent

good question

putting the magnets on top of the coils does have a positive affect when you find the right combination.
my output when up by an extra 11.5 volts under load. to 31 volts after the capacitor.
but the extra force destroyed my little bearing.

I only have one drive coil at the present time.
so far all the results are as Romero predicted
extra Magnets for tunning. That works
The RPM is 1200 to 1300. That works
the knocking sound that disturbed the people next door. That works.

the OU? have not tried that yet as I was about to start down that road.
and my bearing jammed against the housing.

One other thing the washers on top of the coils. I found that works.
Don't know why. YET.

[toranarod]

Hi folks, very nice setup so far toranarod. When will you be firing it up for first tests and tuning, etc.
Hi blackchisel, looks like you've some good materials there for a good setup.

Everyone, keep the faith, anything is possible and I mean that literally, ANYTHING.
Though In my case, I look to see good things for humanity and the world and this device when self running does not just take, like our societal systems, it not only takes what it needs from nature, it gives back even more.
This is the model and example for us all.
Take what you need and give as much and more as you can back.
Doubt serves no purpose, it is a waste of energy.
positive constructive focus is what I shall focus on.

Anyway, I'll be putting my setup back together today for the start of testing.
peace love light
tyson

Hello SkyWatcher

Me Too
first thing fix the bearing. Then back to business.

I will present a complete building specification. It may help other with there building.

Good luck to you all

[blackchisel97]

coil polarity

I have a question Rod or anybody who might know;
When you wind your coils do you wind CW? Also, what is their polarity pole - wise. If rotor magnets have N poles up than upper coils are N towards them. So the end of coil is facing magnet. What about the lower deck of coils. Are they "flipped" over to repel S poles when energized? I'm thinking of energized coil which resembles a magnet, with both poles and Bloch Wall which can be adjust with extra magnet at the core end.

Thanks
Vtech

[scratchrobot]

I have a question Rod or anybody who might know;
When you wind your coils do you wind CW? Also, what is their polarity pole - wise. If rotor magnets have N poles up than upper coils are N towards them. So the end of coil is facing magnet. What about the lower deck of coils. Are they "flipped" over to repel S poles when energized? I'm thinking of energized coil which resembles a magnet, with both poles and Bloch Wall which can be adjust with extra magnet at the core end.

Thanks
Vtech

Yes good question, I was asking myself the same.
Do the lower coils have to be wound clockwise and the upper coils counterclockwise or all coils CW or CCW ?

[gravityblock]

I have a question Rod or anybody who might know;
When you wind your coils do you wind CW? Also, what is their polarity pole - wise. If rotor magnets have N poles up than upper coils are N towards them. So the end of coil is facing magnet. What about the lower deck of coils. Are they "flipped" over to repel S poles when energized? I'm thinking of energized coil which resembles a magnet, with both poles and Bloch Wall which can be adjust with extra magnet at the core end.

Thanks
Vtech

Yes good question, I was asking myself the same.
Do the lower coils have to be wound clockwise and the upper coils counterclockwise or all coils CW or CCW ?

It doesn't matter if you wind CW or CCW. The important thing is to wind all of the turns in the same rotation direction throughout the entire coil. Looking at one end of the coil, then it may appear to be wound CW, but if you turn the coil around and look at the other end, then it will appear to be wound CCW. The hands on a clock moves CW when looking at the front-face, but the hands will be moving CCW when looking at the back-face of the clock.

If you see a north pole from a coil's CW face, then you'll also see a north pole from the coil's CCW face, if the polarity of the battery is reversed. Everything is relative. I hope I got this right.

GB

[Joit]

Gb
I would say kinda.
Each Pole has a certain spin also, so it can make a different, even when not a to big one. But you are right, mainly it is the Magnetic Field, what is induced into the Coil, and what creates a move inside. But i think too, that the Coils should only be wound in the same Way at each side of the Stator.

[blackchisel97]

Gb
I would say kinda.
Each Pole has a certain spin also, so it can make a different, even when not a to big one. But you are right, mainly it is the Magnetic Field, what is induced into the Coil, and what creates a move inside. But i think too, that the Coils should only be wound in the same Way at each side of the Stator.

Yes, I agree and it makes sense. Since the devil is in details I just want to clarify.
I decided to change my bobbins a bit before gluing them so the center tube will extend beyond the disc and into the deck. This way I can have coils well glued to the upper and lower deck and fit them with magnetite cores after. They're now 42 x 42mm (1.65") and 11.3mm (7/16") core dia.


Vetch

[totoalas]

Another way to a rotor design

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