Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

Hi Rod,

Would you like me to have a go at replicating ?

I have those inductors on hand.

For mags, I have a variety available.

I do have an Arduino, but have not built the electronics or switching yet.

Also avail is a PWM for dc motors that I can use to drive the rotor.

Let me know. I have just about given up on Romero.

Regards, Penno

Yes if you have the time. i would enjoy that thank you.
I will give you every detail i have on what i have done and experiments i have planed. help any way possible to get this replicated

[minoly]

I am feeling very nervous about see my motor replicated. I really want the idea authenticated.
I know it works so I am hoping it can be re created.
I am worried It will not be replicated successfully I keep on testing it every day.
I wake up in the morning thinking it will not work today I was imagining it.
When you have been working on the O U concepts and devices as long as I have you see many ideas go down the drain.
It’s like this cannot be happening.

Hi Rod,
congrats. that's some serious perserverence you have going there
We're trying to make the "T" part of the iron core. how are they inter-connected? or is it just part of the core goes on top and part on the bottom, then bolted to the top of the "T"
Is the leg of the "T" and the top of the "T" the same type of iron?
Did you try w/o the "T" core?

we attempted w/ welding rods for a core and no "T" yesterday w/ attracting magnets instead of opposing. the output of the coil increased quite a bit. after seing your pic. we flipped the magnets around and we get the same increase in output but less drag than yesterday.

so we are hoping the top of the "T" also plays some role. We are using the SSG to turn the wheel, we may have to switch to something else to get more control of the freak.
Thanks for sharing this.

Patrick

[minoly]

Hi Rod,
congrats. that's some serious perserverence you have going there
We're trying to make the "T" part of the iron core. how are they inter-connected? or is it just part of the core goes on top and part on the bottom, then bolted to the top of the "T"
Is the leg of the "T" and the top of the "T" the same type of iron?
Did you try w/o the "T" core?

we attempted w/ welding rods for a core and no "T" yesterday w/ attracting magnets instead of opposing. the output of the coil increased quite a bit. after seing your pic. we flipped the magnets around and we get the same increase in output but less drag than yesterday.

so we are hoping the top of the "T" also plays some role. We are using the SSG to turn the wheel, we may have to switch to something else to get more control of the freak.
Thanks for sharing this.

Patrick

I should have previewed the post before posting. what I mean by increased output from the coil is.
the generator coil produced more watts w/ the magnets in place than w/o them.

Patrick

side note I will have to reconfigure the magnets again to match yours. we have an all North out wheel so we used N out on the coil as well - we'll have to flip all those to match your south out. did you happen to try north out as well and found that south out was better?
thanks again...

[Xenomorph]

I am feeling very nervous about see my motor replicated. I really want the idea authenticated.
I know it works so I am hoping it can be re created.
I am worried It will not be replicated successfully I keep on testing it every day.
I wake up in the morning thinking it will not work today I was imagining it.
When you have been working on the O U concepts and devices as long as I have you see many ideas go down the drain.
It’s like this cannot be happening.

Great work Toranorod !
As you can imagine, i have a hard time seeing the rotor even moving with such a magnet set-up hehe.
So i tried to make a simulation of it to visualize at least some of the flux lines. This doesn't include the most important part though, which is the the lenz magnetisation of the core (hard to do).

Here the simulation gif: Tora simulation
or on OU.com : Muller Dynamo



At what RPM can you introduce the generator coil to see the effect?
Is it at max RPM or a bit under?
What is the strength of the 2 attached magnets? N42?

Keep it up!

[elias]

I am feeling very nervous about see my motor replicated. I really want the idea authenticated.
I know it works so I am hoping it can be re created.
I am worried It will not be replicated successfully I keep on testing it every day.
I wake up in the morning thinking it will not work today I was imagining it.
When you have been working on the O U concepts and devices as long as I have you see many ideas go down the drain.
It’s like this cannot be happening.

I know how you feel Rod!
Just see how much the Iron cores drag your rotor, I have achieved acceleration when lighting up lamps with such a device back in February this year, but with Iron cores, which have significant eddy drag to them.
We need to move to Ferrite cores to be able to increase the number of coils without affecting the RPM.

Eventually we will make it, because it has been done before, but there has been so much disinfo flying around preventing us to replicate these devices successfully.

This is what the Watson Machine was all about. This is what the Muller Generator was about, and this is what the Adams motor was about, and Thane has been telling this for about three years now.

Your hiding a tree in a forest is a really fabulous idea.
Good Luck!
Elias

[Slider2732]

Random wondering -
If the rotor is moving clockwise, part of the de-Lenz will be negated by both side magnets being the same. Would there be benefits in angling the approach magnet toward the coil, such that the field is slipped past the coil rather than simply negated ?

[woopy]

he he Rod

you are making a new push in that research Bravo

here i made a rotor with the magnets i have.

But doing a first test with holding (by hand ) the coil and its 2 side magnets very near of the rotor (spinning at 3000 rpm , the rotor is fixed on the shaft of a 12 volts DC motor connected to my powersupply ), my bloody cell phone rang in my pocket. And as i am one of those "stupid and uncorrigible humanoid " i could 'nt prevent me to answer. And of course my hand moved and my coil was sucked in the rotor

OK will repair and redo all this correctly and concentrated tomorrow

thank's for sharing

good luck at all and take care

Laurent

[toranarod]

First question
Is it worth moving this to a thread of its own? What do you think?

Replicating this is important. I am happy for help from all to achieve this.

Most important is this design is very much in its beginning stages there will be lot s of changes along the way.

Xenomorph

At what RPM can you introduce the generator coil to see the effect? 3800 RPM.
Is it at max RPM or a bit under?
Things seem to start around 2800 to 3200. 3800 is where there is no drag any more. I suspect 4200 and more load will increase speed.
I have been very conservative with my figures. What really happens? No load the RPM is a bit slower than I have listed in the chart. You need a bit of load to keep the speed up.

What is the strength of the 2 attached magnets? N42? YES

Minoly

I never tried north.
I have posted this as it happens. Not ever given a poll change any thought.

I want to try ferrite cores. So I am going to scale it down when the ferrite comes in. there is a very important factor magnet to surface area ratio.

There is a relation ship between all the parameters.
Every thing is required to be just right. Or no go.
What this ideal combination is I have only speculation at this stage.
So any body building this will really be building it with me.

thank you to all for your support.Back to work.

[toranarod]

Random wondering -
If the rotor is moving clockwise, part of the de-Lenz will be negated by both side magnets being the same. Would there be benefits in angling the approach magnet toward the coil, such that the field is slipped past the coil rather than simply negated ?

hello slider I was wondering where you had gone.
all my motors spin anticlockwise.
to your second question. this is the thing. New territory please give it a try.

Woopy. watch the fingers. I had a magnet rip my finger nail. that hurt.

[toranarod]

tree in a forest motor

Here is the days results.
This is with a new coil i wound today. The coil is based again on the slider configuration. There are no magnets on the side of the coil.
the diagrams and photos should explain it all.

I have created a video. you tube link.
‪Pulse Motors and Lenz Law‬‏ - YouTube







The coil was wired in this configuration. It behaved no better or worse than
the single stand 5.6 that was there before. This is about the core to magnet.
not so much the copper wire around it.

[MonsieurM]

for those wanting to do some simulations, i found this open source software simulator:

Computational electromagnetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Download emGine Environment - 3D Electromagnetic (EM) field simulator, software for antenna simulation, microwave filter design, analysis of planar circuits, e.g., in microstrip or coplanar technology

[marxist]

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original message has become obsolete, so i deleted it

[Zooty]

Am i missing something in rod's last test? The RPM is always lower than no gen coil at all even when the gen coil is dead short. I thought the RPM would go over the initial one.

[quantumuppercut]

What he is showing that greater current have less drag instead of more drag.

Romero setup claims that there is no drag under this kind of configuration.
He had the side of the magnet approaching the coil instead of a single pole.

Shorting coil gives back more power #16

[142857]

I remember when this was going to be easy to replicate in like a week ....

I know that doesn't help any, but really. Nobody wanted to think through the realities of this thing.... better to take some guys hoax as a given and just believe....this approach is not very scientific. Romero should have learned a little bit from JB and put together some kits and sold them with the disclaimer : it'll work if you tinker with it long enough.


real question.....have you built a device that directly accesses a formerly unknown type of energy? No, I don't think so, I think you are building a generator....maybe it is lensless . but . energy output comes directly from the coil/magnet relationship, like any gen.

LAW:

you can not create energy


this thing never "self ran" you all know it...romereo knew it....