Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

I think i know why Romero's motor speeds up so much in this video ‪RomeroUK Video Pre-Muller release‬‏ - YouTube

Assuming the effect is caused by a delay in the core making lenz late, if you have a south pole magnet just after your north goes by, when lenz kicks in, not only is it going to push north but it is going to attract south. Look at his magnets. They are nsns stuck side by side. Also, low resistance/high inductance coils must play a big part in the delay of the core. The lower the resistance coupled with high inductance seems to cause more delay in the core. How do you get low resistance/high inductance? Romero's coil that slider showed is the key. Bedini also modified his kromray build by doing 3 parallel wires on his output coil instead of the single strand. That thing speeds up like crazy under load.

The one thing that has got me really confused is Romero's coils used 6 mm Ferrite cores and it only was said to run at 1200 RPM?

[toranarod]

here is an idea for some thought?

how about cross wiring the Muller motor. This has just come to me as a possibility. So Any input would be welcome.

as we know the top and bottom coil are wired together in series, correct?
Why not wire one of the top coils to a bottom coil that's in a different location with regards to the timing of the motor. Move lenz drag to another location on the rotor, You would of course need to work out the details but I think you get the idea. Has this been tried before?

I am going back to my Muller replica right now to see if it looks possible.

cheers Rod

[elias]

I have never actually mentioned this before. Sorry.
MY Iron cores are laminates

Of course that's better, have you tested your RPMs with and without the core near the rotor, I want to make sure it doesn't drag your rotor significantly.

[toranarod]

Of course that's better, have you tested your RPMs with and without the core near the rotor, I want to make sure it doesn't drag your rotor significantly.

Data coming right up

[elias]

The one thing that has got me really confused is Romero's coils used 6 mm Ferrite cores and it only was said to run at 1200 RPM?

As I understand the smaller the cores get, the lower RPM this effect will be manifested, My cores are 40mm in diameter, really big. I intended to generate lots of power at old days when designing it.

[Zooty]

As I understand the smaller the cores get, the lower RPM this effect will be manifested, My cores are 40mm in diameter, really big. I intended to generate lots of power at old days when designing it.

Interesting. This would suggest that the closer the core gets to saturation the better

[elias]

My Setup Specs

Core Diameter: 40mm
Coil Length: 70mm
Coil width: 80mm
Coil Wire Size: 2mm diameter wire
Turns: ~ 500 turns
Magnet Spec: Neo N35
Magnet Diameter: 45mm
Magnet Thickness: 10mm

Rotor:


Elias

[elias]

Interesting. This would suggest that the closer the core gets to saturation the better

I guess that using stronger magnets will really increase the performance. Muller was using 1 inch thick Neo magnets, about double the thickness of my magnets. Muller wasn't able to make his generator until the Strong Neo magnets came along in the 1980s.

And I think that most of the drag present in this system occurs when the magnet is leaving the coil, when Lenz works in attraction mode, attraction is roughly 1.6 times stronger than repulsion. Muller generates mainly when the magnet approaches the coil. The coil was turned on when the magnet is leaving the coil to repel it away.

[toranarod]

Core Diameter: 40mm
Coil Length: 70mm
Coil width: 80mm
Coil Wire Size: 2mm diameter wire
Turns: ~ 500 turns
Magnet Spec: Neo N35
Magnet Diameter: 45mm
Magnet Thickness: 10mm

Rotor:


Elias

Hello elias, zooty
Here we go. I built a new coil again today I very much wanted to increase the size of the core to 2:1 Ratio..

you wanted this data on what the motor would do with no coil at all.
It surprised me. The new coil provided the very much needed data we have been looking for. The best results i could of hoped for. ITs time to build a BAD ASS Motor generator.

Advice taken

Thank you Elias
your designs will be very much part of my new motor generator.

here is the days Work.

One other point. Now we know why they put the price of neos UP 1000%
they could see this coming.

[Steve220]

Rotor magnets

I talked about this before a while back, but I thought I would throw this out again and see what happens.
What if the permanent magnets were removed from the rotor and replaced with electromagnets? The reason is that the rotor electro magnets could be selectively switched on and off as the electromagnets passed the stationary generator coils.

The coils of the rotor electro magnets at speed would be switched on as the rotor electromagnets approached the stationary generator coil core and switched off at the half way point past the stationary generator coil core. This way there would be no rotor drag after the half way point. It would not cancel Lenz, but the magnetic field would just not be there past the half way point of the stationary generator coil core.

I would think a small amount of DC switched current would be all that is needed to operate the rotor coils. The stationary coil would be more less half wave output and diodes could be used to block any current that might flow backwards in the coil. Timing of the rotor electromagnet switching would be adjusted to the rotor speed.

Seeing the current price of permanent magnets, this might be a cheaper way to go.
It seems that a much slower rotor speed could be used also as the magnetic fields created would depend on the switching speed of the rotor electro magnets and not so much on the rotor speed.
There would be no need for high speeds.

If this has been tried before, please disregard, just thinking here.

Steve

[MonsieurM]

here is an idea for some thought?

how about cross wiring the Muller motor. This has just come to me as a possibility. So Any input would be welcome.

as we know the top and bottom coil are wired together in series, correct?
Why not wire one of the top coils to a bottom coil that's in a different location with regards to the timing of the motor. Move lenz drag to another location on the rotor, You would of course need to work out the details but I think you get the idea. Has this been tried before?

I am going back to my Muller replica right now to see if it looks possible.

cheers Rod

see post:http://www.energeticforum.com/147951-post853.html

[elias]

Hello elias, zooty
Here we go. I built a new coil again today I very much wanted to increase the size of the core to 2:1 Ratio..

you wanted this data on what the motor would do with no coil at all.
It surprised me. The new coil provided the very much needed data we have been looking for. The best results i could of hoped for. ITs time to build a BAD ASS Muller Motor generator.

Thank you Elias
your designs will be very much part of my new motor generator.

here is the days Work.

One other point. Now we know why they put the price of neos UP 1000%
they could see this coming.

Wow.
That is what I was waiting to see, THANKS ROD!!!! Now you are actually showing us that by simply adding a shorted coil to a running system, you are able to add energy for free!!!, Just adding a shorted coil gives your rotor more energy, and power!!

I knew this! nobody would listen, I am mad at some people who have distracted us from these concepts, knowingly or unknowingly. Thank you for all of the people especially Thane who kept on telling us.

This proves that acceleration is a real thing and not something caused by lessening the drag!

I am so happy you did this test. Just a quick question, this coil you used has a 20x20mm core? and the magnet is 10x10, meaning that your core is four times larger than the magnets face?

2011 is going to be history. Yes now I see too why these magnets have become really expensive, I couldn't afford buying them a couple of weeks ago.



Elias

[Xenomorph]

I think i know why Romero's motor speeds up so much in this video ‪RomeroUK Video Pre-Muller release‬‏ - YouTube

Assuming the effect is caused by a delay in the core making lenz late, if you have a south pole magnet just after your north goes by, when lenz kicks in, not only is it going to push north but it is going to attract south. Look at his magnets. They are nsns stuck side by side. Also, low resistance/high inductance coils must play a big part in the delay of the core. The lower the resistance coupled with high inductance seems to cause more delay in the core. How do you get low resistance/high inductance? Romero's coil that slider showed is the key. Bedini also modified his kromray build by doing 3 parallel wires on his output coil instead of the single strand. That thing speeds up like crazy under load.

In that Romero video, he used a microwave oven fan coil.
I experimented with the same type of coil.
It has about 770mH inductance and 340 Ohms resistance which
is a high resistance
Also it is observable that Romero wound a second winding onto that oven coil!
But good that Rod can get the same effect.
Romero's pre-muller rotor was also fully stacked with magnets, which also
increased a multiple times higher frequency than just 8 magnets.
So it seems to be about high frequency.

I wonder if Rod could reproduce the speed up effect with just 1200 RPM?
Would be an easy test, just put the right resistor in drive coil circuit.

What Slider showed was his own idea (and a great one), but Romero
never stated that he wound his coils in such way nor can you see such connection in his hi res close-up shots of his device.
Those coils do have a comparatively small resistance, but also a tiny inductance of 1.2mH each, so the core delay explanation due to high induction does not hold here.

For the Kromrey converter Bedini used the word "impedance" to explain the 3 windings, not resistance which indicates that he was probably regarding a resonant condition.
Even if the Kromrey for that reason had a reduced Lenz effect, it would not explain the thermal cooling process which is a result of a ZPE transformation.

[frenky]

@ROD:

Wow so now with loaded coil in place, you have higher RPM than without coil at all.
This is the best stuff I've seen in OU field in last 8 years.

[quantumuppercut]

ITs time to build a BAD ASS Muller Motor generator.

Call it something else and keep in touch with people around.