Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[qvision]

Some helpful maths ...

These calculations are used in wind turbines and may be of some use.

To calculate the average (rectified) DC voltage from a set of coils :

Average DC voltage = A x B x N x ((RPM x 2.72)/30)-1.4

Where :

A = area of magnet face, in square metres.

B = flux density of one magnet, in Tesla.

N = turns per coil x coils in series (so turns per phase)

The 2.72 is because 3-phase is assumed, your average output is raised by a factor of 1.73, plus the peak is higher than the average by 1.57.

To find N, the number of coil turns needed to achieve a specific RPM :

N = (DCV + 1.4) x 11/(A x B x RPM)

This is the total number of turns per phase so would have to be divided by the number of coils per phase to get the number of turns per coil.

Hope these are helpful.

[Xenomorph]

Increasing the rotor diameter is correct, and would increase the speed of the magnet, but I do not think that the number of magnets on the rotor would affect the acceleration effect at all.

Only a low RPM test could prove that.
Romero was only running at around 1500 RPM (@200mm rotor diameter).
But in regards to weird things like his bucking coils and other aspects of his device there must have been more involved than beating Lenz. (30 W o/p)

[quantumuppercut]

Increasing the rotor diameter is correct, and would increase the speed of the magnet, but I do not think that the number of magnets on the rotor would affect the acceleration effect at all.

I think I see your viewpoint. I also see there is a flux change and frequency associated. Flux change depends on the magnet passing speed and frequency depends on both. My opinion is that flux change is what important in the process. I also suppose there are two ways to beat Lenz. One is by brute force (high RPM) and one by passive component ( series cap) . There could be other genuine way like activate at high peak to minimize low flux change etc... But like they said, A bird in a hand is worth two in a bush. lol I think the meaning is go what we are sure of instead of something far fetched. We probably use brute force first because that's what we are sure of .

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[minoly]

This too has been my thinking all along, however, that is kind of a big "if"
if they have the same area...

Now, I think I can get more winds with higher gauge wire in parallel in a given area with the same resistance/impedance, than I can with just one lower gauge wire with the same resistance/impedance.
Maybe if someone can give me the gauge and length - I would need to match
the above 1.9ohm. I'll see how many turns fit on the spool...
Patrick

This fall right in line with something John K. just said that JB just said "To get the power out you have to go very low on the impedance and high on the inductance."

Patrick

[elias]

This fall right in line with something John K. just said that JB just said "To get the power out you have to go very low on the impedance and high on the inductance."

Patrick

Maybe Bedini does not mean it the way we mean it over here, but nevertheless, that confirmes the time constant L/R theory of course or phase shift, as you name it. More inductance + less resistance will increase the time delay or phase shift of Lenz and it will make it behave like we see in these experiments. I highly suspect that Watson's machine was such a beast. Watson's machine also had a really large rotor. I have commented on his machine over here: http://www.energeticforum.com/131790-post1.html

[Zooty]

This fall right in line with something John K. just said that JB just said "To get the power out you have to go very low on the impedance and high on the inductance."

Patrick

Thank you minoly

@xenomorph
I just done a little test. I have a bifilar coil measuring 4.3 ohms and 22.3mH on each strand. Correct me if i am wrong and i might be but if it was one strand measuring 8.6 ohms, would the inductance not be 44.6mH? If i connect the end of one strand to the begining of the other strand (series), the resistance is 8.6ohms and the inductance is 89.2mh.

[minoly]

@ elias, - yes, sorry to blend it in over here, we are using it differently on this thread. It’s just soo interesting how some of these experiments lend aid to each other.


@ Zooty, - Just to reiterate:
Each strand is 4.3 ohms and 22.3mH
When placed in series the total resistance is 8.6ohms.
Not sure what the mH “should be” much of that depends on the core/winds - what matters is what it IS. 89.2mh
Now what are the measurements when they are in parallel?

And... can we find a single same length thicker wire to match their paralleled resistance.
Wind that on the same spool/core and see which has more turns, and what the inductance is.

If my thinking on this is correct with the bifilar coil, the inductance should go up while the impedance goes down compared to the single thicker wire.
I just don’t know how to figure out what AWG wire to wind on the spool.
Patrick

[Xenomorph]

@ elias, - yes, sorry to blend it in over here, we are using it differently on this thread. It’s just soo interesting how some of these experiments lend aid to each other.


@ Zooty, - Just to reiterate:
Each strand is 4.3 ohms and 22.3mH
When placed in series the total resistance is 8.6ohms.
Not sure what the mH “should be” much of that depends on the core/winds - what matters is what it IS. 89.2mh
Now what are the measurements when they are in parallel?

And... can we find a single same length thicker wire to match their paralleled resistance.
Wind that on the same spool/core and see which has more turns, and what the inductance is.

If my thinking on this is correct with the bifilar coil, the inductance should go up while the impedance goes down compared to the single thicker wire.
I just don’t know how to figure out what AWG wire to wind on the spool.
Patrick

There might be a formula, i just do it graphically and measure.
It's basically how many individual wires including the center wire go across the diameter.



This graphic is from Arthurs from OU and shows how the wire diameters are related.

Romero has miscalculated the total wire diameter for instance:
Muller Dynamo

[Zooty]

@ elias, - yes, sorry to blend it in over here, we are using it differently on this thread. It’s just soo interesting how some of these experiments lend aid to each other.


@ Zooty, - Just to reiterate:
Each strand is 4.3 ohms and 22.3mH
When placed in series the total resistance is 8.6ohms.
Not sure what the mH “should be” much of that depends on the core/winds - what matters is what it IS. 89.2mh
Now what are the measurements when they are in parallel?

And... can we find a single same length thicker wire to match their paralleled resistance.
Wind that on the same spool/core and see which has more turns, and what the inductance is.

If my thinking on this is correct with the bifilar coil, the inductance should go up while the impedance goes down compared to the single thicker wire.
I just don’t know how to figure out what AWG wire to wind on the spool.
Patrick

I just tested the same bifilar coil without the core. Each strand is 4.3mH and in series 17.2mH. In parallel they measure 4.3mH

[toranarod]

the work has just begun

I have been testing some of the ideas you are putting forward about phase shifting. it looks like the lenz drag applies to the drive coil as well.
if the drive coil has a similar core and coll. I took the Litz coil and added a capacitor to the circuit creating a resonant tank circuit the drive current droped significantly and produced more output in back emf.

[minoly]

I have been testing some of the ideas you are putting forward about phase shifting. it looks like the lenz drag applies to the drive coil as well.
if the drive coil has a similar core and coll. I took the Litz coil and added a capacitor to the circuit creating a resonant tank circuit the drive current droped significantly and produced more output in back emf.

I've done this as well, with the basic SSG ckt using a very small AC cap across the drive coil.

in addition...
placing a cap across the base resistance when using the trigger coil on a bifiler rather than a hall, very interesting things happen as well.
‪Bedini mod - trigger Cap‬‏ - YouTube

[jackiemac22]

Electro magnetic motor derived from a A/C condensing unit

Hi guys,
I'm new here but I think I have something to offer,
I've recently put aside a project I was designing that looks allot like the
Muller Motor Generator, But the Aluminum plates I was to use for the rotor and stators was $425.00 and I could not afford it, I've already made the soft iron magnet cores for that system after purchasing a Mhead Bridgeport & a 5'
Atlas Lathe I was spent. So I opted for a smaller cylindrical type.
I've taken the guts out of a condenser fan motor and made the magnets for
that size motor, I built the commentator, I’ve wrapped the magnet cores with 22 thousandths magnet wire and am ready to build the power source but I’m kind of Illiterate to the electronics part of this project.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
anyone Interested in setting me up with a step by step to build a diod stack to get me 2000 volts D/C. let me know and ill get some pics of my work asap to post here also.

Thanks in advance: Jack

[toranarod]

Hi guys,
I'm new here but I think I have something to offer,
I've recently put aside a project I was designing that looks allot like the
Muller Motor Generator, But the Aluminum plates I was to use for the rotor and stators was $425.00 and I could not afford it, I've already made the soft iron magnet cores for that system after purchasing a Mhead Bridgeport & a 5'
Atlas Lathe I was spent. So I opted for a smaller cylindrical type.
I've taken the guts out of a condenser fan motor and made the magnets for
that size motor, I built the commentator, I’ve wrapped the magnet cores with 22 thousandths magnet wire and am ready to build the power source but I’m kind of Illiterate to the electronics part of this project.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
anyone Interested in setting me up with a step by step to build a diod stack to get me 2000 volts D/C. let me know and ill get some pics of my work asap to post here also.

Thanks in advance: Jack

where did you and how did you make the soft iron cores where can I get soft iron from?

Welcome to this topic. good luck with your project eep us informed.

[jackiemac22]

Soft Iron cores

Industrial Tube and Steele
Cincinati Ohio
1-800-332-9567
Contact Name, Jerry
Quote# 27712
2 1/4"x 3 1/4" x6'Bar
$273.17

[jackiemac22]

Pics of my project

Here are the Pics Of what I’ve done so far