Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Shadesz]

Man this is some serious stuff going on IMO! Great results rod! Keep it up!

Here is a great video of another guy who appears to have overcome lens drag. Simple build driven by a 12 volt cordless drill and scrap magnets. He uploaded it a couple days ago is all.

Free Energy Demonstration - Anti-Lenz Effect - YouTube

Subscribe to his channel as he says he will release a video of his own build schematics.

[penno64]

What can you guys make from this -

What is this extra component that provides coil shorting?

with -

the shorting component I discovered initialy was replaced by the way the coil pairs are constructed

Penno

[Xenomorph]

@Penno: Just to clarify the sentence

the shorting component I discovered initialy was replaced by the way the coil pairs are constructed

is also a quote by Romero?

[penno64]

Aye!

Penno

[Xenomorph]

Ok, difficult to relate that exactly.
He could have meant that he used coil-shorting initially to overcome Lenz and by "constructing" the coil pair in series cancelling bucking fashion (which he confirmed on his site) he would achieve the same effect.

If he meant that the construction of the coil pair somehow shorts something, then i would not know what he could have meant.

I remember Woopy was pointing out that he sees cables in the device that would suggest that he shorts the drive circuit with the generator circuit. (RomeroUK Muller----Woopy discovery!!.ASF - YouTube)

[quantumuppercut]

the shorting component I discovered initialy was replaced by the way the coil pairs are constructed

I've been listening and thinking there could have been a miscommunication. First, "coil shorting" and "shorting coil" . If you guys see these as the same, then I do have a problem. One is shorting a coil continuously and one is interrupted shorting to boost voltage. If you have a Lenzless coil at low voltage, you can boost voltage with shorts and they still be lenzless I think.

Now the statement above my Romero can meant he has a new way to shorts them out to "boost voltage" as you guys think, or he could have meant the .047uf (don't exactly remember) series capacitor is now replaced with the way the coil constructed.

In my opinion, there must be a series cap of some form to make it lenzless at that RPM. I know the open bifilar would fit this but its output power is low, or maybe we haven't push its limit.

At any rate, if we have a lenzless coil, then boosting its voltage through shorts is no problem in my opinion. Better yet...

"...I was able to take full advantage of is…that one can set up an output voltage condition of a desired potential and draw large amounts of current from a very low voltage potential input, creating the required condition of what would be an almost short circuit across the generator coil..." ---Rod

[Xenomorph]

I've been listening and thinking there could have been a miscommunication. First, "coil shorting" and "shorting coil" . If you guys see these as the same, then I do have a problem. One is shorting a coil continuously and one is interrupted shorting to boost voltage. If you have a Lenzless coil at low voltage, you can boost voltage with shorts and they still be lenzless I think.

Now the statement above my Romero can meant he has a new way to shorts them out to "boost voltage" as you guys think, or he could have meant the .047uf (don't exactly remember) series capacitor is now replaced with the way the coil constructed.

In my opinion, there must be a series cap of some form to make it lenzless at that RPM. I know the open bifilar would fit this but its output power is low, or maybe we haven't push its limit.

At any rate, if we have a lenzless coil, then boosting its voltage through shorts is no problem in my opinion. Better yet...

"...I was able to take full advantage of is…that one can set up an output voltage condition of a desired potential and draw large amounts of current from a very low voltage potential input, creating the required condition of what would be an almost short circuit across the generator coil..." ---Rod

Would it be possible for you to source a 0.47 uF series capacitor in Romero's circuit? I don't recall any series caps, but if there is one, i'd certainly like to know.
Thank you.

[quantumuppercut]

Would it be possible for you to source a 0.47 uF series capacitor in Romero's circuit? I don't recall any series caps, but if there is one, i'd certainly like to know.
Thank you.

Sure,

In the "shorting coils gives back more power" thread.
Shorting coil gives back more power

Guyla asked about that cap.
"...2) There is a yellow rectangular shape capacitor on this generator coil, I assume it is in parallel with the reed switch to reduce sparking? If yes, then it eventually is in parallel with the gen coil, right? What is the capacitor value? " --reply #100

Romero replied:
"...The yellow capacitor is 0.47uf/275volts, connected in series with the reed switch." --- reply 111

[Xenomorph]

Thank you.
I was under the impression you were referring to the Muller generator device. If i am not mistaken, Romero did state that he used no coil-shorting whatsoever in the Muller device.
However i think coil-shorting is a great way to increase the Q, Konehead has perfectionized it and i have made some pretty promising tests with this method too.

[quantumuppercut]

Thank you.
I was under the impression you were referring to the Muller generator device. If i am not mistaken, Romero did state that he used no coil-shorting whatsoever in the Muller device.
However i think coil-shorting is a great way to increase the Q, Konehead has perfectionized it and i have made some pretty promising tests with this method too.

Yes, I thought so too, and if he use a series cap, he would have fix Groundloop's drawing. That means he used continuous shorting like Rod, except at 1xxx RPM. Oh well, it's all interesting investigation and learning.

[toranarod]

Yes, I thought so too, and if he use a series cap, he would have fix Groundloop's drawing. That means he used continuous shorting like Rod, except at 1xxx RPM. Oh well, it's all interesting investigation and learning.

I would like to explain the intentions of where I am hoping to get the best results and what I see for the future development. I don’t believe continues shorting is the best way to go, its only part of the process.
I know results so far are positive but is still so much more room for improvement and refinement
AS soon as I have correlated all the data I can on the current setup up I will be incorporating switching of the generator coil and when that is done I want to look at shifting Lenz law to other locations in the generator. I see switching as a refinement process. There would be a second electrical charge. I am hoping for a generator of many techniques to create a new energy device.

[scratchrobot]

I stumbled up on a website with information which exactly explains what we are looking for. Since Romero confirmed he used bucking coils and pointed to the Kromrey effect he must have used Scalar current, or normal current supplied trough the two wire going down the hole in the table.

Scalar Current by Moray B. King

One of the most unusual claims associated with certain "free energy" devices is the ability to conduct appreciable power on ordinary thin wires without heating them. To an electrical engineer this result is extraordinary and it would constitute a definitive demonstration of a novel form of electromagnetism. Here is suggested an experiment that could produce "cold conduction" and demonstrate an hypothesized phenomenon known as "scalar current."

Scalar current arises by abruptly bucking magnetic fields onto a caduceus wound or a bifilar wound coil (Figure 1). If bucking magnetic fields are impressed onto an ordinary, single wound coil, no current would flow since the magnetic fields cancel. However, impressing these fields onto a caduceus or bifilar coil would allow two oppositely flowing "virtual" currents to occur because, by symmetry of the windings, the opposite current vectors sum to an effective zero current. The currents are described as "virtual" since they are comprised not of electron flow in the wires, but rather a displacement current in the vacuum zero-point energy outside the wire. It is as if the abruptly bucking magnetic field manifested a pair production of two macroscopic, oppositely rotating, displacement current vortices in the zero point energy.' These vacuum energy vortices are stabilized and supported by the two symmetric wind ings.

There are many ways to impress the abruptly bucking magnetic fields onto the caduceus or bifilar coil. One method could use two electromagnets with the proper control circuitry to appropriately phase the magnetic fields. In another method the coil could be spun in the air gap between two opposing permanent magnets using brushes and slip rings to tap the scalar current (Figure 2).

Bedini described using this method in his "gravity field generator" where he not only reported "cold conduction" but also a weight change in the apparatus as well.2 A third method could shift the bucking fields onto the coil by either physically oscillating opposing permanent magnets or shifting their field by variable reluctance techniques.3 Obviously any method that resulted in shifting a bucking magnetic flux onto the caduceus or bifilar coils could be utilized in this experiment.

The experimenter could also explore how to best combine the current in the opposite windings. The windings could remain separate or be combined in series or parallel (Figures 3 and 4). Another option could add a second caduceus (or bifilar) coil in the air gap at the opposite poles of the bucking magnets so that both ends of the alternating bucking magnets are launching scalar currents (e.g. Figure 2). These two sets of coils could then be combined appropriately to keep the currents in phase to maximize the output.

An attractive attribute of this suggested experiment is its simplicity. It is hoped that those working with these ideas freely share their results for it will expedite the development of a new technology.

Capacitive Discharge Motor and other free energy files - J Snell

[quantumuppercut]

Thank you scratchrobot,

Bucking magnetic field ... interesting. I'm still visualizing the coil set up in the drawing.

I think the term scalar current and displacement current are the same as current due to capacitive coupling. I also think that current through capacitive coupling is real measurable current, but its nature is fast alternating that's why we can only see it when separate the AC into 2 DC directions as an AV plug for example.

Like Rod said, we probably need every information and try out everything possible to see what is best. It's not like we didn't beat Lenz, we just need to beat him more beautifully. lol

Thanks again for joining scratchrobot.

[scratchrobot]

Thank you scratchrobot,

Bucking magnetic field ... interesting. I'm still visualizing the coil set up in the drawing.

I think the term scalar current and displacement current are the same as current due to capacitive coupling. I also think that current through capacitive coupling is real measurable current, but its nature is fast alternating that's why we can only see it when separate the AC into 2 DC directions as an AV plug for example.

Like Rod said, we probably need every information and try out everything possible to see what is best. It's not like we didn't beat Lenz, we just need to beat him more beautifully. lol

Thanks again for joining scratchrobot.

Thank you, yes very interesting indeed and yes we need every information until it gets to much and we forget about the principle
I'm trying with different coils but without success. Someone suggested I need higher rpm so I will keep on going trying everything.

This is all old stuff and has been here for years, if it's real then why aren't we using this technology already???

Regards, scratchrobot

[toranarod]

Coils Switching work today

In today’s work I wanted to begin looking into switching. Switching the generator coils on & off and charging a capacitor will be the next step.
A crude short cut to this technique was to use a diode and have only one cycle conducting a load. Of course we are only going to get half the current potential, as you can see in the table below. However, we are going to incur Lens drag on the approach of the magnet to the coil. As it is the approaching wave form I biased the diode to conduct as the magnet is being attracted to the iron core. Lens law will of course repel the magnet. There should be a current loading condition that would render the presence of the magnetic field as magnetically inert to the presence of the iron core, and with a bit of hysteresis after the diode stops conducting, there should be a push to help the magnet on the rotor on its way out. This is how it appeared to work.
The acceleration was instantaneous and very noticeable if the load was just right and in this case 190 mille amps appeared to give the best results, while with no load on any of the generator coils the RPM was around the 4,190 mark.
I took many readings recording lots of data. A few presented in the table below should be enough to give one a good idea of what was achieved using this technique. I still find 2 magnets on either side of the coil supply the best results. As you can see they are presented in the drawings below.
This is also the first test that I have documented using 2 coils in parallel running to the same supply, working my way up to the Romero design. It is important at this stage to find as many ways to keep the rotor spinning as free from drag as possible. As you know, the more coils that are added will increase drag even without electrical load.