Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Farmhand]

Hi all, Most of this stuff is covered by Nikola in some way, phase lag, coil shorting and all sort's of goodies are explained in the PDF book below.

PDF Book.
The inventions : researches and writing of Nikola Tesla, with special reference to his work in polyphase currents and high potential lighting : Martin, Thomas Commerford, 1856-1924 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

Motor with capacitor in one winding.
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Seems to me that the Romero/Muller dynamo is over COP 1 but not necessarily overunity. Romero is still experimenting but not with the Muller Dynamo ? DId he have the light bulb in series with the FWBR's and the DC to DC converter in the positive line ? I can't remember how he connected it.
Good recycling and directing of power in any system containing coils can show very good results. There is the immediate possibility of almost cop two with coils and even better with coils and capacitors, in my opinion. Add a flywheel and it get's better again. So there may be more there than what romero actually got or showed. I don't know of course, just my opinion.

If it is OU it is only in a very small window of operating parameters (like was said by other's) including load and after startup time, in which case the startup energy would need to be negated first aswell. Which is probably why Romero is still experimenting elswhere and encouraging others to do the same.

Anyway a gain is a gain and all experimenting is good, I wish i could build things like dynamo's, but i lack the resources.

Good work again guy's and I hope the statement about about the window is wrong.

[Steve220]

Interesting

Zooty, I agree. In my other post, I was thinking that there is a connection between the drive coil and the generator coil. I think LID said that they are both related from what he has seen in his work. And in the latest R UK video, this still seems to be the case.
As you say, Lenz law, in special situations as in these devices, might be a good thing, if it can be put to good use. I was thinking, instead of trying to get rid of Lenz law, turn it around and make use of it.

I was thinking that may be the controlled pulse on drive coil "conditioned" the rotor magnet to be ready for the generator coil in such a way as to confuse Lenz law, long enough to help, not hinder.
The magnet in the rotor has a very short time to switch over from being a drive magnet to being a generator magnet.
May be during the very short switch over time, at the proper speed and distance, Lenz law just don't have enough time to "get it all together".

I think of the text books I have read in the past discussing Faradays and Lenzs Law. They were always shown operating in calm, controlled situations. This may not be a controlled situation, actually, it may be very un controlled, at least long enough to "upset the apple cart" so to speak.
By the time the apple cart is set back upright, it is too late for Lenz Law to kick in.
Then the whole thing starts all over again. So there is a small net gain with every event. The Lenz part, kind of starts to pile up, on both sides, on the rotor rotation side and the generator output side. Kind of a two for one thing.
A win win deal.

Just thinking here.

[Zooty]

Zooty, I agree. In my other post, I was thinking that there is a connection between the drive coil and the generator coil. I think LID said that they are both related from what he has seen in his work. And in the latest R UK video, this still seems to be the case.
As you say, Lenz law, in special situations as in these devices, might be a good thing, if it can be put to good use. I was thinking, instead of trying to get rid of Lenz law, turn it around and make use of it.

I was thinking that may be the controlled pulse on drive coil "conditioned" the rotor magnet to be ready for the generator coil in such a way as to confuse Lenz law, long enough to help, not hinder.
The magnet in the rotor has a very short time to switch over from being a drive magnet to being a generator magnet.
May be during the very short switch over time, at the proper speed and distance, Lenz law just don't have enough time to "get it all together".

I think of the text books I have read in the past discussing Faradays and Lenzs Law. They were always shown operating in calm, controlled situations. This may not be a controlled situation, actually, it may be very un controlled, at least long enough to "upset the apple cart" so to speak.
By the time the apple cart is set back upright, it is too late for Lenz Law to kick in.
Then the whole thing starts all over again. So there is a small net gain with every event. The Lenz part, kind of starts to pile up, on both sides, on the rotor rotation side and the generator output side. Kind of a two for one thing.
A win win deal.

Just thinking here.

Someone here mentioned a core magnetization delay at high rpm's. If that is the case, maybe lenz kicks in tdc or just after instead of before and has the opposite effect?

[Steve220]

Good point

In the latest R UK video it seems to be as you said.
The CD rotor with magnets, while simple in construction, indicates the drive coil and generator coil placement is critical.
A combination of rotor magnet, drive coil, generator coil placement and rotor speed is all there showing a gain in output.

As Lid Motor talked about in his videos, It all works together, as a package.
I wonder just how long it really takes for magnetic fields to shift gears.
The coil placement in relation the rotor speed, seems to be the key.
To be a drive magnet, then switch to being a generator magnet in a fraction of a second might be confusing to the magnets magnetic fields.

A little delay, might be all it takes to make a difference.
May be Lenz could think it is Faraday for a split second.
A gain is a gain, even for just a split second.
It all starts to add up over time.

Just thinking here.

[blochwall]

This might be relevant

No BEMF Motor

By the way, good work guys!

BW

[synchro]

Magnet output increase.

Quick update.

Video: YouTube - ‪RomeroUK Muller generator replication part 2‬‏

What do you make of that effect? Isn't that really amazing! That's what I've been so excited about.

Thanks,

Synchro

[Steve220]

Good information must read

No BEMF Motor

By the way, good work guys!

BW

This is from 2008, but might be able to help explain how the R UK device operates.

Thanks blochwall for finding this important information.
Steve

[toranarod]

recovery diodes

I have just posted a second Video on acceleration under load.
I think this is the direction we are going for now just trying to enhance the effect.

I will need to support this with a circuit diagram to help explain what I have been researching.

YouTube - ‪RomeroUK Muller Replication accelerating under load.Video 2‬‏

[Slider2732]

I'm not familiar with the 'Special Coil', but if he's using Zener's then it could be wholly different. The breakdown voltages might well feature as to the performance of the coil under operating conditions.

@toranarod
An intriguing circuit and informative video. The double output trigger design and P+N coil supply both help to understand principles and I have a question or two.
Does the circuit feature phase delay within the way R12 and R14 interact with the P-channel MOSFET, also by going through the other transistor for propagation delay ? Do the phase characteristics further limit Lenz linear build up, because of the coils being mounted one on top of the other ?

[Joit]

Toranarod, dont worry about Guys like this Khabe.
He has nothing to say, just messing around like he do at OU com.

He even show that hes German, and there are the worst of this Guys, over there is no further Developement and no Discussions alive about such Devices, because of theyr own Idiocy and a lot of Armchair Scientist without any Success with such Devices.

Feel yourself reported Khabe.

[Lidmotor]

Confusing the Lenz beast

@ Toranarod
Thanks Rod for the last two videos and the persistance to stick with the project. I think that other people are starting to lose interest because of frustration. We can still learn allot from this device one way or the other.
I finally got around to adding the ferrite cores to my little unit yesterday. I have been holding off because of the noise factor. My wife just can't take that and I don't blame her. I only put the cores on half my coils to see what would happen. I should have done this weeks ago because I found out that with proper spacing between the rotor magents and the stator coils, you can eliminate most of the noise. I'll have to see what happens when I get all the ferrites installed. My current setup is using five magents and four coil pairs and that might be a factor.
I put the thing on the scope today to look at the generator coils output wave form with the ferrites installed. It is a strange wave form because of the way the I have the circuit arranged. It is a Joule Thief driver circuit and I came back into the main circuit from the generator output at the bridge. I think that it really confused the "Lenz Beast".

YouTube - ‪JT Muller Dynamo scope shots.ASF‬‏

Lidmotor

[toranarod]

we work on

Hello Jolt, Lidmotor.

Thanks for the support. this is hard work and there is very little reward.

over at free energy there is another video by keykhin.

YouTube - ‪Regenerative acceleration under load‬‏

similar work.

I have the same concerns with my motor the noise keeps my wife awake.
so i try to do most of my work when the is only me at home.
great build Lidmotor

good luck

[Slider2732]

Lidmotor, you have some killer Hertz and killer Lenz going on there
Also liked the Mohican hair style no load waveform.

If I may ask a JT related question. I tried a replication (twice) with JT circuits and the rotor wouldn't run. They were on a standard pulse motor type circuit, rather than 1 up 1 down coils. The LED's of the JT's would flash as a magnet approached and yet there was no coil effect on the magnets. Tuned around with variable pots, I could get a lower and audible singing out of the coils, but no rotor movement. Coils were 800 winds bifilar with center taps, on ferrite cores.
Do the coils have to be Muller orientated ?

[minoly]

found this to be one of Romero's most interesting posts of late


"Regarding shorting the coil:
why not to keep the coil shorted all the time and release it only at the right moment."
Romero's experiments and OU principles

so I've been focusing on brief shorting rather than brief-ish opening.

spent all weekend getting lost in JB's window motor testing out some other things in combination w/ some of Romero's and Bolts most recent posts, have not had a chance to test out the above. will do so soon, I think I have some halls that stay on untill you pass a magnet by them, that should do the trick yes...

Patrick

[blackchisel97]

I'm still trying to get something done despite having wrong magnets, wrong wire and not perfect rotor. I got mine spinning last night at 750rpm with two coils in series. I wound couple gen coils with only wire I have atm - #26 @ 1000T each. I tried one set without the cores in them and I was getting 2.3V AC measured directly across. Couple LED connected to it make no difference to the speed or input which is at 200mA with one set of my coils. They're twisted 3 strands of #28, about 230 turns (full spool). I have to make better rotor but will wait for proper magnets first (in the mail). I could not work continuously due to some other chores but I left it running overnight to test my family. No negative feedback
I admire your work guys

V