Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[erfinder]

Using the circuits posted
The florescent globe consumes 18 Watts at 300 volts.

The load increases motor speed by a 200 RPM.
Disconnect the globe and RPM drops back to 850.

I don’t know at this stage what direction to go in to make improvements
I think I will try more research with changing gap and coil size.

If I may make a suggestion....switch the load to a bank of incandescent lamps (6x 40watts), and pulse the cap out to the lamp bank...

Regards

[Slider2732]

It shouts transformer to me. Is this where the DC/DC comes into the picture ?
I'm largely ignorant on the subtleties and calculations. but if you need at least 7 watts and you have an excess of that magnitude of voltage, would such a conversion with the correct windings leave you really so short on looper requirement ?
I'd like to know, just for knowledge and apologize for lack of prior knowledge.

[Bruce_TPU]

Bruce,

You maintained that your coil of 200 strands was capable of producing two hundred times the power. I can bring the quotes over from your TPU thread. You care to explain that claim? Here's one of your claims:

"Hi Stefan,

Anyone using this technique as part of an overunity prize request, I ask for HALF the OU prize, as I am now open sourcing this".

Hi PC hero,

This "quote" is accurate and I still stand by it...lol

[Bruce_TPU]

Bruce

Call me a troll or whatever you like but I am kindly suggesting you take a step back and look at this honestly. I have to agree with syncro here and I don't see what you are getting excited about in your litz arrangement because all you are doing is splitting up the 'magnetic load' and then later recombining it in series or parallel.

Are you serious? A whacking great bench grinder with loads of torque powered by a 220v 10amp wall outlet and you are thrilled that you can glean 11 volts and 50 - 100ma back from that??? You are a million miles from break even let alone overunity.

Everything in the Universe obeys simple laws of physics and granted there are some laws that arent in the mainstream eye yet, let us look for a moment at what YOU are focussing on which is the lowering of resistance in wires and hopefully if you do enough of that you are supposedly going to achieve OU???!!

Ask yourself this then. IF you made the perfect rollerskate which has zero resistance (the bearing) and forgetting about the resistance of air for a moment let us suppose that once you spin that wheel, it keeps spinning infinitum. Does this mean that if you put that rollerskate on a upward inclined slope it will propel itself up the hill??? Of course not! It wont even speed up on a flat surface because the losses are everywhere outside the environment of the bearing.

Oh but I forget. You think that smashing together 3 frequencies in a magic arrangement will herald forth the angels song and aetheric OU itself. There is no magic frequency or frequencies and what you are seeking to do only is a fancy way of killing the dipole through an overly complicted circuit when you would have been better off hooking the light bulb to the battery in the first place.

I also find it amusing that all the circuits that you propose a-la- steven mark look nothing like his device. You have masses of tubes and circuit boards that couldnt possibly fit in a small device let alone Grandma's suitcase!! Don't LISTEN to what SM SAID because he was a deceitful SOB who gave snippets of truth which added to the illusion that he was telling the overall truth. HE NEVER WAS.

You might think I am saying that the TPU is rubbish. This is not what I am saying at all. Honestly, I do not know whether it was real or not. I only deal with facts and dont believe carte blanche what people tell me. I know OU exists. However SM and the TPU is an unknown because all you have is a bunch of blurry videos and bulldust statements from a man that was a PROVEN LIAR and fraudulent human being. These things are FACT. He took a lot of peoples money in different lands and would always make lame excuses when authorities wanted to indepedently test the device. Yet you chose to believe everything the man says knowing this??? Are you gullible?

I have read at length the rantings of SM who was a narcisitic person and whilst there is much fact laced through his dialogue, this is what makes it sound so semi quasi-scientific and credible. In SM, I see a man that was if nothing else a good salesman and like all great salesman, they have no issues bending the truth and using 'sleight of hand' to avoid the truth. Ever talked to a car salesman and try to nail them on a tricky issue?? Same thing. SM talked AROUND EVERYTHING except how the device works. None of this makes any sense either, because one of the theories has always been that he was either paid off or threatened to keep quiet. One thing is for sure, if either of those things were true, SM wouldnt have talked at all not even to give you the slightest hint.

Use common sense on this.

Anyhoo...I wish you well in ur testing.

Actually, once again, you are WRONG.... and mis state the facts.

Steven's initial experimentation included a table full of tubes, when he made the initial discovery, and what is seen in the ALL of the video's is MANY years removed. But you are not "privy" to the information I have, but some, who matter, are.

And actually, our 15" TPU, looks "exactly" at Steven's did, and there are two possible ways to wind it and we are winding it both ways. You see, we actually "build" things to experiment....hehehe

Ours WILL be filled with tubes and electronics because Steven Mark said to "start with tubes", but why would I or anyone else expect the likes of you to actually "listen", as that is not your strong point is it?

The electronics will be widdled down when we have a working device. And as to our three hetordyning frequencies, those too were given by the inventor, and I shared them with the world, so you can flap your oil investing jaws all that you want. If you don't like the route I take with my experiments, BUILD YOUR OWN TPU! Oh, wait, I forgot, YOU DON"T BUILD ANYTHING. Sorry, I forgot.

Next, the "bench grinder" was simply my means (at that time) to establish my rotating fields and to test many, MANY coils. I later moved on to a dc motor, and to this day, use a DC motor of 6volts at 220 ma's. But still testing coils. But you don't "comprehend" when you read, so why should I expect you to understand now? Retorical question, this doesn't require an answer.. lol

Your rantings about Steven Mark, derogotory and inflammatory, about a genius mind you have never met, quite expected. Oh, how ARE your oil investments doing, by the way? Oil is UP, you are thrilled.

Sadly, those here don't know of what character you are, (BUT, thanks for not dissappointing, as they are quickly seeing!) but we do. So sad... really. Oh, by the way, all that YOU have is a bunch of blurry videos, and that is all that YOU and your like, deserve...

And "call you a troll", well, everyone just calls it as we see it. You NEED to go correct yourself. Take a reading course on "how to comprehend what others write".

Just like you are TOTALLY DISTRACTING THIS THREAD for their Muller Dynamo Replication. If I were the moderator here, I would have already deleted your posts and put you on "read mode" only. Oh btw, good luck with your testing.... oh, wait, you don't test anything.... sorry

[Bruce_TPU]

Bruce,

You began to make bogus and outragous overunity claims useing your super advanced two wire Ohm's Law math, and you never retracted any of those hyper delusional claims. All you've continued to do is maintain that I lack the comprehension to fully understand your futuristic physics. I deeply resent that.

Lidmotor recently observed that he found no advantage to useing multi strand Litz over single strand in his Romero coils, a position I took from the outset.

Who are you to try and bully me off this thread with those wild and preposterous over unity claims of yours? I want you to admit you've been wrong, and stop persecuting and demeaning me for taking the time to correct you.

I NEVER claimed overunity, with anything, but you, of course, have little comprehension.

And I respect lidmotor's work, but just because ONE MAN doesn't find any advantage to something, I guess we should all pack up our experiments, forget ALL THOSE WHO HAVE and go home.

Get over yourself, and wind a coil. Just say NO to PC hero syndrome!

[toranarod]

It shouts transformer to me. Is this where the DC/DC comes into the picture ?
I'm largely ignorant on the subtleties and calculations. but if you need at least 7 watts and you have an excess of that magnitude of voltage, would such a conversion with the correct windings leave you really so short on looper requirement ?
I'd like to know, just for knowledge and apologize for lack of prior knowledge.

Hello Slider

Have you tried this?

I added a capacitor to one half of the coil. The value is critical.
My cap 0.47 uf it will need to be tuned to suit your coil.
This gives a major speed increase while providing more out put.

I love seeing increase in speed when a load is added.

[Steve220]

Interesting

Thanks for the update. It looks like a nice LC type circuit.
The increase in speed is really good to hear.

I could see where it would take a while to tune since it is kind of a odd coil arrangement and the other strands, even though not across the capacitor are "sort of" involved due to being in series with the other strands that are in parallel and all on the same core.
Plus the strands are shorted back through the coil in two unequal sets.

Wow! That is a lot of things going on all at the same time.
But if it works.......

This may be why slider could not get his coil to do the rotor boost thing again, maybe a change of capacitance in the wires.
Just off a little bit could cause a problem.
Could be hard to duplicate again.
I hope to see a video.

Steve

[Farmhand]

Maybe a de-q-ing diode might be advantagous too like in the attachment or similar. I think it should be reletively easy to duplicate, Rod seems to have done it and found the right size cap, it's a similar size cap to what I use in a similar way. The cap can be placed from ground to between the coils too for the same effect or similar.

It's a Tesla concept. Look at the way he has the cap and coils arranged in this patent and a few of his high frequency apparatus patents as well.
NIKOLA TESL-A - Google Patents

He didn't miss much. Left very little new to discover.

Cheers

P.S. The capacitance of Slider and the CFL tube and it's onboard caps too probably, were likely in play to produce the effect. The CFL tube could go resonant too maybe. Anythings possible the rules are out the window

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hello Slider

Have you tried this?

I added a capacitor to one half of the coil. The value is critical.
My cap 0.47 uf it will need to be tuned to suit your coil.
This gives a major speed increase while providing more out put.

I love seeing increase in speed when a load is added.

Hope you don't mind me giving a bit of input, motors are not really my bag, solid state is.

Replace the cap with a varactor or two diodes in series with the cathodes together. What you have is a parallel and series LC and with just a small current input from the passing magnet you will create a parametric oscillator/amplifier.

This I use a lot in my work, it forms a variable cap, and in this case the voltage varies the capacitance of your LC and you have a pump.

I don't think I need to explain any more, just a little thought will show you what is happening, and what can be done in OU terms.

Mike

[Steve220]

How true

P.S. "The capacitance of Slider and the CFL tube and it's onboard caps too probably, were likely in play to produce the effect. The CFL tube could go resonant too maybe. Anythings possible the rules are out the window"

I agree, when inductance and capacitance is involved, anything can happen.

And in this case, all seven strands are on the same core and shorted back through the coil in two unequal groups that are in series.
A capacitor is placed across one of the unequal groups.
It is really different.

Steve

[Farmhand]

The question is how best to apply this to the muller ? Michaels suggestion sounds good, a bit beyond me but i'm sure Rod and others know what he means, simple is best in my case, with this effect and Rods cascading voltage stages, that would be a fun video to watch.

[Joit]

It's a Tesla concept. Look at the way he has the cap and coils arranged in this patent and a few of his high frequency apparatus patents as well.
NIKOLA TESL-A - Google Patents

He didn't miss much. Left very little new to discover.

Cheers

Yes. Not really new, when you look on his Work from over 100 Years before.
I wish we would have adjustable Capacitors, because i think the one he had been something like it.
The Jars do look like, when you move the Top Rod out.
And he has even a Patent on such Capacitors.

[penno64]

Hey Slider,

Would it be possible to get some finer detail on your neon lighting system.

I feel this has great importance with what we are trying to achieve.

A couple of pics with maybe a ruler in the photo.

Any more detail on the rotor mags, and had you removed the ring magnet
from the inside of the fan blade casing.

Most important, the biasing magnet type - I think you said it came from a HDD.

A pic of the bobbin would be priceless also.

Sorry for all the questions and requests but, Slide, I think you hold the key !

Penno

[toranarod]

The question is how best to apply this to the muller ? Michaels suggestion sounds good, a bit beyond me but i'm sure Rod and others know what he means, simple is best in my case, with this effect and Rods cascading voltage stages, that would be a fun video to watch.

Have read all suggestions and ideas. will try more globes and increase power requirement.

lots of work to do very hard to sleep tonight my head is full of circuit configuration.

Thanks Michael john for your input.

Good work Slider

[Slider2732]

Thanks all for getting really into these motors again...something needed to happen it seems and all i've done is demonstrate what ole Nik showed us to do. Romero posted the coil, so we know he used it, Bruce has done work with multi-strand design that is well worth the read...all of us now have a heck of a system potential. Doubters need only build and test one...it's not like the materials are tough to find.
I'm indebted to Rod for replicating the coil so quickly and showing his phenomenal output figures and lit bulb.
I'm upset with me lol, for not realising how important the setting up actually is and that if one swaps stuff around it's difficult to get right back to what worked !
It is also noted that learned and time respected folks like Minoly may wonder what's the difference to a Bedini SSG for some effects and to those ends, I can't say.

@Penno -
The neon is placed simply across the coil outputs, no cap stage or anything fancy.
The magnet ring remains in the rotor. It's both sufficiently weak enough a fridge magnet stuff to not affect the magnetic fields produced by neodymiums, but strong enough to hold those outer magnets to the rotor. When optimal positions are found on the rotor I then superglue them to it. The weight also allows a flywheel effect (being from micro R/C aircraft build background, having something do many things all at once is a natural thing).
The neo's themselves are from old CD-Rom drives, the laser assembly. 2 in each. Drives carry all sorts of shapes and sizes of neo's, so matching 4 or more can be a chore, unless of course someone had a dozen 52X Sony's or something. I'm out of drives now and have enough magnets for 3 pulse motors. Other magnets are coming from HDD's, where I snap them to size with pliers. Works well, bit rough.
Biasing magnets for any coil are those left over that aren't of a 4 set. The huge thing on the big monitor coil is half a HDD magnet, but that thing is just a loony coil
Whether the flux changes by using an aluminium washer on the back is unknown, what I do know is that small magnets can be stupidly heavily stuck to the coil core and difficult to move if they are in the wrong place or the wrong strength. They want to sit in a certain place and when power is applied will remove all yer hard work and sit somewhere else LOL. The washers make that much easier to deal with.

0.32uF AC caps work on my FanGen unit, other values didn't work for speed up. The FanGen is a Muller tester, removing the powering section of a Muller by having the original PC fan circuit do the work. Any speed differences are therefore unrelated to the actual driving circuit.
BUT - caps aren't essential for the speed effect. If they boost, then wahay
Here's the FanGen speeding up with load and no caps: YouTube - ‪Motor speed rise with load‬‏
Here's it is with the 0.32uF caps and showing neon BEMF collapse at rotor rest: YouTube - ‪FanGen - HV cap addition‬‏
Finally, one of the best effects noticed yet. This shows the BEMF build up charging external caps through a FWBR made of 1N4148's. The BEMF charges and charges with each time the external PC fan load doesn't move. To a point when finally there's enough energy to run the 12V fan. However...the fan keeps on running !
YouTube - ‪FanGen - cap charge start up of external fan‬‏

What is the FanGen going to do with one of these multi-strand coils ?
And how about Rod's cap placement and Mr. Nunnerley's idea ?