Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

attraction and Repulsion

here is my next variation on the litz wire coil.

I am testing as many wiring configuration as possible and taking watts and current measurements looking at the most efficient variation.

So far I am down to 1.3 ratio of under unity as the best figures so far.



140 mill amps at 280 volts out








My next round of test will be to drive one side from the other

[penno64]

@Slider,

Were you ever able to recreate the neon lighting effect on the stationary
rotor ?

I am still puzzled by your statement, the neon is connected across the coils
output! I thougt we input to the coil to drive the rotor.

I simply amazes me that at 12v input, you are able to fully light a 80-90v neon before the BEMF sipkes are created by the mobing rotor mags.

Penno

[Slider2732]

Hi Penno,
The FanGen does it all the time, but the clear plastic box motor doesn't. Am aiming at seeing exactly what is different on both. Does a Bedini SSG light a neon at rest ? that would answer much.
In fact, however, the FanGen tester motor runs much better if the PC fan driving circuit is disabled, found that out by accident the other day.

The coil is connected as normal, but the neon just sits on the back too, in parallel with the coil wires. I just soldered it there and figured it would show if I was getting 90V and above back out. Being as there is no filament it doesn't bother the DC going in, but reacts to the HV going out

Great idea Rod for splitting the coil work ! Driving one from the other is something I can't wait to hear the results of

[penno64]

Thanks Slider

[Neight]

Hi Penno,
The FanGen does it all the time, but the clear plastic box motor doesn't. Am aiming at seeing exactly what is different on both. Does a Bedini SSG light a neon at rest ? that would answer much.
In fact, however, the FanGen tester motor runs much better if the PC fan driving circuit is disabled, found that out by accident the other day.

The coil is connected as normal, but the neon just sits on the back too, in parallel with the coil wires. I just soldered it there and figured it would show if I was getting 90V and above back out. Being as there is no filament it doesn't bother the DC going in, but reacts to the HV going out

Great idea Rod for splitting the coil work ! Driving one from the other is something I can't wait to hear the results of

the SSG does not light neon when the magnets are not moving past the core. if the rotor is at rest and the magnet is in line with the core, it sits quietly until the magnet is moved away.
helping where i can
N8

[minoly]

We can get the neon to light w/o the motor spinning on a basic SSG as well as SS SSG of course, which is only slightly different. easy to put in self osculation.

Patrick

[Zooty]

We can get the neon to light w/o the motor spinning on a basic SSG as well as SS SSG of course, which is only slightly different. easy to put in self osculation.

Patrick

Yep i agree here, just increase base resistance and it will light the neon nice and bright stationary. Also, high HFE transistors make this happen easier. The amount of transistors i have blown doing this is not even funny. I'll say it again, i think sliders increase in RPM is due to using the transient spike rather than letting it go back through the coil and neon. The same thing happens in a standard SSG, just not so pronounced but then, the energy from the spike is being passed to a battery with an SSG and not back to the coil pushing the rotor.

[Slider2732]

Ah well that's cool..the solid state HV thing of an idea makes more sense. I'd agree about high hFE, the D667 is rated at 320 max, nothing brilliant but higher than many others.
What happens with MOSFET's ? as I read it, they don't have hFE ?
Of the IRF630 and IRFz46N tested so far, the 630 is much stronger in terms of oscillations within a multi-strand coil. Both enable the same speed at any voltage running though, same as transistors.

[Xenomorph]

Ah well that's cool..the solid state HV thing of an idea makes more sense. I'd agree about high hFE, the D667 is rated at 320 max, nothing brilliant but higher than many others.
What happens with MOSFET's ? as I read it, they don't have hFE ?
Of the IRF630 and IRFz46N tested so far, the 630 is much stronger in terms of oscillations within a multi-strand coil. Both enable the same speed at any voltage running though, same as transistors.

MOSFETs won't work for feedbacks like that, because the gate is voltage controlled.

Keep it up, nice experiments so far.

[toranarod]

Ah well that's cool..the solid state HV thing of an idea makes more sense. I'd agree about high hFE, the D667 is rated at 320 max, nothing brilliant but higher than many others.
What happens with MOSFET's ? as I read it, they don't have hFE ?
Of the IRF630 and IRFz46N tested so far, the 630 is much stronger in terms of oscillations within a multi-strand coil. Both enable the same speed at any voltage running though, same as transistors.

the faster you can switch off the transistor the higher the voltage will be from your back EMF.
This why i like MOSFETS they make better switches. without all that current on the base.

[synchro]

I wont read that again, but



Do you understand what TWO WINDINGS Mean? No Matter, if they are in Serie or Parallel connected ??
That means you HAVE 2 Strands. And NO MATTER, If this 2 Strands have the same Size.
Windings mean, You Place Wire OVER or CLOSE to eachother.

They get the Idea, but sorry, You dont.

And not matter, how they Call it, violating Lenz or Ohms Law, its both realated.
Even when you it Magnetic Resistance, not Lenz Law, well he describes it with his Law.
And a Resistance in a Circuit creates allways Back Electro Magnetic Force,
no matter, how you create it, over a Phyiscal Resistance, like a Neon Bulb
and the Wire in there, or with a additional Coil, where the Current runs opposite, or you short it.

That may even would work with a simple Coil with a lot Windings with Thicker Wire on it,
and a smaller Wire inside, or at one End from this Coil.

This coil was not built useing multi strand or LITZ wire! Never are there any two seperate strands in either of these test coils. A single wire attaches to a single wire in series to form a longer single wire that merely folds over on itself. Two seperate wires would constitute a multi strand. There is only one wire end to end in both these test coils of Null Points. Nowhere are there two seperate wires. That's why Ohm's law is permisable. If you twisted a second wire over either of them, it would violate Ohm's law to cross the factors. This is the mistake Bruce TPU made to falsely calculate his coil power. That's why it's an issue.

[Farmhand]

This coil was not built useing multi strand or LITZ wire!

Syncro I challenge you to wind a wire onto a coil form in the shape of a solenoid where the center point of the winding is returned to the center of the coil form and you end up with multiple strands in parallel and in series.

If it was as simple as a single winding it could be wound straight from one spool to the coil form, however that is impossible.

The coils are wound multi stranded "Litz" and then connected in series and parallel. Forget about the terms and just accept it.

The coil is wound with multiple strands, "LITZ" after that point you can play soccer with your's if you want, but it is still a coil of "LITZ" wire.

And it can be connected however people want to connect them. You can live by whatever of you're own rule's you wish.

The terms are used here for the purpose of the mutual understanding of the coil, if the understanding is acheived then the purpose of the term is realised. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

Cheers

[Steve220]

#767

I can see where there could be some confusion in Rods posting.

The wires shown in yellow rectangle, are all on located in just one coil.

The seven parallel strands shown in the yellow rectangle are all run together on one bobbin, but the single strands are conected at the ends as shown in the schematic.

Seven wires out of one end of the coil, seven wires out the other end of the coil, fourteen wires total.
There is only one coil involved.

Steve

[synchro]

Syncro I challenge you to wind a wire onto a coil form in the shape of a solenoid where the center point of the winding is returned to the center of the coil form and you end up with multiple strands in parallel and in series.

If it was as simple as a single winding it could be wound straight from one spool to the coil form, however that is impossible.

The coils are wound multi stranded "Litz" and then connected in series and parallel. Forget about the terms and just accept it.

The coil is wound with multiple strands, "LITZ" after that point you can play soccer with your's if you want, but it is still a coil of "LITZ" wire.

And it can be connected however people want to connect them. You can live by whatever of you're own rule's you wish.

The terms are used here for the purpose of the mutual understanding of the coil, if the understanding is acheived then the purpose of the term is realised. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

Cheers

@FARMHAND,

What do you make of this comment from Bruce TPU?



"Today I have successfully created power on parallel wires!!!!!! Complete success, and EASY. Right there in front of everyone the whole time!

Today, I have taken a coil with wire 56' long, producing .3 watts, and I have amplified that to 1.8 watts using only HALF the strands! LOL

I am going to un wind some length to make it easier to work with!!!!!!

And just like Steven Mark said, connect them in series, and you get more voltage, connect them in parallel and you get more amperage!!!!

Starting coil, 3.5 volts, 100 ma

Four strands wired in series, 14.1 volts, 100 ma YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

And next week I will have a discovery just as huge to report!!

We can take a coil, with 200 strands and multiply the power by 200 times!!!!!!! YIPEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!"

Cheers,

He goes on to say he's building a larger Litz coil to run his house, and follows that up with a request for half the overunity prize money! He just reported a gain in watts about 5 messages back. Do you sense perhaps the hint of a recurring pattern of deciet?

[Steve220]

Video

I hope there will be a video showing the coil operating as this is a rather strong claim to make.

Steve