Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

A quick post with today’s results

A quick post with today’s results:-
After repairing the damaged rotor I made some changes to the set up. I swapped out the main drive coil and replaced the Lens shield magnets around the generator coil. I also made some subtle changes to the angle and placement location of the magnets around the generator coil. The magnets around the generator coil need to follow the curvature of the rotor. These changes were small but the improvement to the efficiency and the absence of Lens drag was evident.
Figures and specifications in the red column in the table below drive coil data only.

[yx630514]

Hi toranarod
You get out 15.96 watts?
Is drive coil BEMF output? Or generation coil output?
If is the generation coil output, it is really great!

[Matthew Jones]

Somthing to look at...

I have been following the thread with high hopes for you guys since it started and I have been hesitant to make any input as I am not building this device, nor will I anytime soon. But the current project I am working on has some faint similarities and I decided that maybe it would be helpful to share some of what I am doing with ya'll. So pardon me if this is an intrusion.

The circuit I am working on is solid state and has to do with core saturation of an iron transformer. In the past I have read many times saturation is not a good position to be in when using a transformer or core if iron. In turn Inrush and surge currents cause problems from initial start up and create saturation.

But I have found in limited amount or in a pulse situation a significant flow of negative type energy emits itself on the output windings of the transformer. This energy is obviously negative as its growth through a bridge rectifier is in the ballpark of 5-6 times more voltage on the DC side of the bridge than the AC while maintaining the same value of current on either side.

The transformer has 2 winding slots in it. The top is where I drive it and the bottom where I extract the power.
On the top part of the spool I use bifiliar, 90 turns of 30 awg and 90 turns of 24 awg.
The bottom part of the spool is quadfiliar 120 turn of 30 awg. Each winding is rectified at the end.

The driving circuit for the top part of the spool is a simple oscillator. The schematic is from Slayer0007 I do not use the C winding. I also do not use the 1n4005 that outputs the BEMF. I just ride the spikes out.

The 4 winding on the second spool all lead to a rectifier that consist of MUR4100e's. They dump into a bank of super caps.


Now this why I wanted to post an example of what I am doing and try to show the relationship between what I have and what you are trying to do.

Most of you have missed the fact, eloquently stated by Dr Stifler, "For anything to be overunity, you must change the state of energy at least once". Most people relate that Electrical to Mechanical or vice versa. But you can change the state of your electricity as well and this becomes possible if the conversion doesn't cost to much. Forward time energy and reverse time energy are very real entities and allow one to follow the above rule with a near ease.

So if you were to wind your coils so that drive coil closest to the rotor was driven with the positive energy from the say the battery and then wind a secondary coil away from the rotor for collection purposes through bridge. All the while not collecting or protecting the transistor from the spike, you would harvest a significant voltage that can then be crunch down in to a super cap to regauge the power.
Then you also can grab power from the separate gen coil and dump it into a capacitor. Then serialize the 2 capacitors to fire back through the drive coil.

This may sound like complex operation but I picture it being pretty easy as everything needed is isolated to itself until you fire.
Collect It Schematic.

Look it over and give it try. I may have missed something posted along the way and this might have already been done. It may or may not work I don't know I just figure since no one has talked about the conversion to negative and actually looked at using it I might as well post my 2 cents.

I'll be outa town till Friday so if I do not post till then you understand why.

Best of luck to all of you.

Matt

[toranarod]

I have been following the thread with high hopes for you guys since it started and I have been hesitant to make any input as I am not building this device, nor will I anytime soon. But the current project I am working on has some faint similarities and I decided that maybe it would be helpful to share some of what I am doing with ya'll. So pardon me if this is an intrusion.

The circuit I am working on is solid state and has to do with core saturation of an iron transformer. In the past I have read many times saturation is not a good position to be in when using a transformer or core if iron. In turn Inrush and surge currents cause problems from initial start up and create saturation.

But I have found in limited amount or in a pulse situation a significant flow of negative type energy emits itself on the output windings of the transformer. This energy is obviously negative as its growth through a bridge rectifier is in the ballpark of 5-6 times more voltage on the DC side of the bridge than the AC while maintaining the same value of current on either side.

The transformer has 2 winding slots in it. The top is where I drive it and the bottom where I extract the power.
On the top part of the spool I use bifiliar, 90 turns of 30 awg and 90 turns of 24 awg.
The bottom part of the spool is quadfiliar 120 turn of 30 awg. Each winding is rectified at the end.

The driving circuit for the top part of the spool is a simple oscillator. The schematic is from Slayer0007 I do not use the C winding. I also do not use the 1n4005 that outputs the BEMF. I just ride the spikes out.

The 4 winding on the second spool all lead to a rectifier that consist of MUR4100e's. They dump into a bank of super caps.


Now this why I wanted to post an example of what I am doing and try to show the relationship between what I have and what you are trying to do.

Most of you have missed the fact, eloquently stated by Dr Stifler, "For anything to be overunity, you must change the state of energy at least once". Most people relate that Electrical to Mechanical or vice versa. But you can change the state of your electricity as well and this becomes possible if the conversion doesn't cost to much. Forward time energy and reverse time energy are very real entities and allow one to follow the above rule with a near ease.

So if you were to wind your coils so that drive coil closest to the rotor was driven with the positive energy from the say the battery and then wind a secondary coil away from the rotor for collection purposes through bridge. All the while not collecting or protecting the transistor from the spike, you would harvest a significant voltage that can then be crunch down in to a super cap to regauge the power.
Then you also can grab power from the separate gen coil and dump it into a capacitor. Then serialize the 2 capacitors to fire back through the drive coil.

This may sound like complex operation but I picture it being pretty easy as everything needed is isolated to itself until you fire.
Collect It Schematic.

Look it over and give it try. I may have missed something posted along the way and this might have already been done. It may or may not work I don't know I just figure since no one has talked about the conversion to negative and actually looked at using it I might as well post my 2 cents.

I'll be outa town till Friday so if I do not post till then you understand why.

Best of luck to all of you.

Matt

Hello Matt
I am still digesting the information . I think I get it.
thanks.

hope to see more of your work when soon.

[elias]

That is quite great! you are overunity already if you use two such coils. What is your load? Of course not considering the eddy drag you might have.

I have finished making my new coil, about 200 turns of 2mm wire.
Tests to be done tomorrow. More turns to be added.

[Xenomorph]

@Mathew:

This is a nice experimental verification of what Harold Aspden talks about.
Bringing iron mass into saturation and harvesting zero point energy
when it desaturates.

(The whole point behind Romero's Biasing magnets...)

Keep it up!

[ashtweth]

Rod , very nice work, we made the Doc's caloric meter for you and can send down for a heat measurement in a few weeks when finished if you need it, i think an analog DC in and heat measurement out would top it off.

Ash

[toranarod]

Rod , very nice work, we made the Doc's caloric meter for you and can send down for a heat measurement in a few weeks when finished if you need it, i think an analog DC in and heat measurement out would top it off.

Ash

this OU stuff can get very lonely. Its great to get a bit of support.

your the man

[Matthew Jones]

@Mathew:
This is a nice experimental verification of what Harold Aspden talks about.
Bringing iron mass into saturation and harvesting zero point energy
when it desaturates.
(The whole point behind Romero's Biasing magnets...)
Keep it up!

I haven't read his stuff, but I'll go look it up.
I have seen devices all along in which this already happening on some level. The energy is reverse time without a doubt and grow on an immense scale. When dumped into a capacitor the time is corrected and it becomes alot of power.

I am not sure about the biasing magnets. Unless they are used to cause a "Magnetic Neutralization effect" they most likely aren't doing much. But I have not messed with it so I'll let ya'll make that decision.

Best of luck, I gotta get on the road.

Matt

[toranarod]

Magnets

I have spent the day changing magnets and coils. documenting what goes with what and what provides the best results.
I got to say there is a specific combination of events that provide the best results some setups do not work at all. I Just cannot ascertain why. I can speculate and hypothesis but i need fact if this is going to be exploited to its full potential. I don't have the equipment to analyse the magnetic field at the point of collision.
I got a record RPM today of 4560 RPM. Also had another magnet crash inserting a coil. had things running again an hour later.
The second coil provided the same amount of power as the first. Both generator coils could provide equal amounts of power at 4000 RPM. as listed in the table in the last post.

The problem is its to hard to bolt a coil in place at 4000 RPM. and it will not get up to speed if the coil is already there.

[Matthew Jones]

The problem is its to hard to bolt a coil in place at 4000 RPM. and it will not get up to speed if the coil is already there.

Set it up so the coils fire until you are up to speed then switch to generator mode... Even if they only fire enough to delete the attraction.


Matt

[toranarod]

Set it up so the coils fire until you are up to speed then switch to generator mode... Even if they only fire enough to delete the attraction.


Matt

Thanks Matt. I will give it a Try. its all about the correct RPM.
I will probably need to build another coil slide like the first coil sits on.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Frequency

Thanks Matt. I will give it a Try. its all about the correct RPM.
I will probably need to build another coil slide like the first coil sits on.

It is all frequency related, Timing, RPM, all related to impulse frequency. Just need to think a little out of the wood so you can see the trees, it is all to do with a third field which does not appear until you get into a higher frequency.

I may in a few days post something that will explain this event.

Mike

[quantumuppercut]

Seems like high RPM is critical to achieve lenzless. However, 4k+ RPM is too high of a safety risk for an average rotor, and the centrifugal component increase exponentially with RPM.

If we can achieve lenzless with less RPM using passive components.

‪minigenerator2.mov‬‏ - YouTube

[Xenomorph]

Michael points in the right direction.
According to theory, at a high enough RPM, there is an additional
rotating field establishing that leads the magnet's rotation.
And it is this field that skews the PF to your favour.
Probably that's the reason why not many people see this effect, because
they would not come to the idea to overspeed the rotor.
If you have the right bearings, a proper construction and manage the coil positioning, then there is no
problem with such a speed.