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  • Originally posted by scratchrobot View Post
    I stumbled up on a website with information which exactly explains what we are looking for. Since Romero confirmed he used bucking coils and pointed to the Kromrey effect he must have used Scalar current, or normal current supplied trough the two wire going down the hole in the table.

    Scalar Current by Moray B. King

    One of the most unusual claims associated with certain "free energy" devices is the ability to conduct appreciable power on ordinary thin wires without heating them. To an electrical engineer this result is extraordinary and it would constitute a definitive demonstration of a novel form of electromagnetism. Here is suggested an experiment that could produce "cold conduction" and demonstrate an hypothesized phenomenon known as "scalar current."

    Scalar current arises by abruptly bucking magnetic fields onto a caduceus wound or a bifilar wound coil (Figure 1). If bucking magnetic fields are impressed onto an ordinary, single wound coil, no current would flow since the magnetic fields cancel. However, impressing these fields onto a caduceus or bifilar coil would allow two oppositely flowing "virtual" currents to occur because, by symmetry of the windings, the opposite current vectors sum to an effective zero current. The currents are described as "virtual" since they are comprised not of electron flow in the wires, but rather a displacement current in the vacuum zero-point energy outside the wire. It is as if the abruptly bucking magnetic field manifested a pair production of two macroscopic, oppositely rotating, displacement current vortices in the zero point energy.' These vacuum energy vortices are stabilized and supported by the two symmetric wind ings.

    There are many ways to impress the abruptly bucking magnetic fields onto the caduceus or bifilar coil. One method could use two electromagnets with the proper control circuitry to appropriately phase the magnetic fields. In another method the coil could be spun in the air gap between two opposing permanent magnets using brushes and slip rings to tap the scalar current (Figure 2).

    Bedini described using this method in his "gravity field generator" where he not only reported "cold conduction" but also a weight change in the apparatus as well.2 A third method could shift the bucking fields onto the coil by either physically oscillating opposing permanent magnets or shifting their field by variable reluctance techniques.3 Obviously any method that resulted in shifting a bucking magnetic flux onto the caduceus or bifilar coils could be utilized in this experiment.

    The experimenter could also explore how to best combine the current in the opposite windings. The windings could remain separate or be combined in series or parallel (Figures 3 and 4). Another option could add a second caduceus (or bifilar) coil in the air gap at the opposite poles of the bucking magnets so that both ends of the alternating bucking magnets are launching scalar currents (e.g. Figure 2). These two sets of coils could then be combined appropriately to keep the currents in phase to maximize the output.

    An attractive attribute of this suggested experiment is its simplicity. It is hoped that those working with these ideas freely share their results for it will expedite the development of a new technology.

    Capacitive Discharge Motor and other free energy files - J Snell
    Thanks for the drawings I have taken copy's and printed them out.
    This is something I read about a while ago. looks like it is very good idea
    and need time devoted to it.
    if you could keep us posted on any thing. would be great.

    cheers

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    • Looks like the Smith coil is spreading

      Here's another way to use it
      Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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      • the right direction.

        I have been trying to find away to disprove my results.
        I thought what if I was wrong and the increase in speed was due to some anomaly in the drag created by Lenz.
        I was thinking if it was the drag friction on the rotor that was some how feeding back to the drive coil increasing speed.
        I have tried inducing friction from another source. I mounted a small horse hair paint brush just about the rotor and induced the smallest amount of friction to see if I could in anyway make it increase speed. There was no way this would work. No matter what amount of external drag I applied would increases speed, the slightest touch would slow it down immediately. I have tried many things and looked at every other explanation I can think of for the speed increase. There appears to be only one explanation left, the load on the generator coils are causing a drive force assisting the rotational direction.
        It is now conclusive there is anomaly in the Lenz law theory if all your conditions are correct you can draw current from a generator and make it more efficient.
        We are now heading in the right direction.

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        • Hi folks, since I never made an experiment using my dual magnet rotor with bifilar coils, I am reworking my pulse motor to be run as a generator using bifilar coils with the neo magnets in bucking mode as scratchrobot posted in that article.
          So, the bifilar coils will be in between the 2 magnet rotors and well see how it goes. Can't think of any other experiments to do right now, hehe.
          peace love light
          tyson

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          • Originally posted by toranarod View Post
            I have been trying to find away to disprove my results.
            I thought what if I was wrong and the increase in speed was due to some anomaly in the drag created by Lenz.
            I was thinking if it was the drag friction on the rotor that was some how feeding back to the drive coil increasing speed.
            I have tried inducing friction from another source. I mounted a small horse hair paint brush just about the rotor and induced the smallest amount of friction to see if I could in anyway make it increase speed. There was no way this would work. No matter what amount of external drag I applied would increases speed, the slightest touch would slow it down immediately. I have tried many things and looked at every other explanation I can think of for the speed increase. There appears to be only one explanation left, the load on the generator coils are causing a drive force assisting the rotational direction.
            It is now conclusive there is anomaly in the Lenz law theory if all your conditions are correct you can draw current from a generator and make it more efficient.
            We are now heading in the right direction.
            I just wanted to highlight a section of this paragraph. See above. VERY good work ROD! When you are ready, can you explain how you are achieving this effect? (IE, How exactly you load the coil, how you are using the dc to dc converter?, forest confusion with the extra magnets, etc?) Edit: then again I guess you just did.

            Keep up the good work!
            Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own, instead of someone else's ~BW~ It's kind of fun to do the impossible ~WD~ From now on, I'll connect the dots my own way ~BW~ If I shall be like him, who shall be like me? ~LR~ Had I not created my whole world, I would certainly have died in other people’s ~AN~

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            • Hi folks, I've seen the effect toranarod is speaking of in my past experiments.

              And if it is an assisting force and not just a reduction in forces that represent an existing drag, then it should be possible to use air cores to replicate the effect, i think, which would be really nice if it can be done.
              Otherwise I just finished a bifilar bucking coil to mount and test, waiting for little bit of glue to dry.
              peace love light
              tyson

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              • Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
                Hi folks, I've seen the effect toranarod is speaking of in my past experiments.

                And if it is an assisting force and not just a reduction in forces that represent an existing drag, then it should be possible to use air cores to replicate the effect, i think, which would be really nice if it can be done.
                Otherwise I just finished a bifilar bucking coil to mount and test, waiting for little bit of glue to dry.
                peace love light
                tyson
                I have never tried air cores well not recently. coils without cores are hard to mount.

                you are right this needs to be tested. see what i can set up, same coil no core. I will post what ever results i find.

                I am very interested in the bucking coil concept.
                looking forward to more research on this subject.

                thanks to all
                cheers

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                • Hi tornarod, if it is possible with air-cores, it might have to have very large inductance, so it doesn't have to be ludicrous speed on the rotor.
                  My research from thanes and others and my tests, show that minimum speed threshold needed for the effect, which to me supports the notion that the induced current kicks in at top dead center or after and I think that air-core needs a very high speed or like miles of wire to cause the same lag effect which speeds up rotor.
                  I guess a good thing to know, is how much copper air coil would it take to match the inductance of your coils with iron core, maybe that would help.

                  Though if it needed too much copper to match inductance, then the magnet might have more difficulty getting to top dead center or after of the coil to cause a neutral or increased speed effect on load. Hope that makes sense.
                  peace love light
                  tyson

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                  • Hi all. Don't know if this is tried or even relevant to the conversation but I have been able to increase a rotor speed by placing a generator coil in series (on positive side) with a cap dump back to primary and then placing the gen coil in the correct position next to the rotor so that it pushes (or pulls) the magnet that is approaching when the dump event occurs. This also causes a resistance in the dump circuit preventing the cap from draining as quickly. If its useful try it if not just ignore and my apologies. Great work everyone.

                    al

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                    • Just wondering

                      I wonder what the advantage of using a permanent magnet is over an electro magnet on the rotor. The reason is that, to me anyway, a permanent magnet is just like a compressible spring. So as the rotor rotates, there is a spring like action between the magnets and the generator coil. It seems that the Lenz effect will always be there under these conditions because the permanent magnet is always “on”.

                      I talked about this before, but it seems to me that instead of trying to eliminate the Lenz effect in the generator coil, that it might work better to just cut off the magnetic field of the rotor magnet after it passes the half way point of the generator core of the generator coil.

                      I would think that since there is no free energy in the permanent magnet anyway, acts like a spring that is compressed and the rotor has to be rotating to generate any power any way, why not just turn off the rotor magnet when it is not needed? It is not needed past the half way point of the generator coil core, so why not just turn it off at that point?

                      I guess the reason I ask this question is I see so much work being done to try to make the generator coil not see the permanent magnets of the rotor past the half way point of the coils core. Why not just do it the other way around?

                      By using electro magnets in place of permanent magnets, then you could cut off the magnetic field at any point during the rotation of the rotor. The generator coils could be placed on the rotor and the switchable magnets could be mounted stationary.

                      May be the reason is that this has already been tried and it don’t work. May someone can clue me in to why this don’t work or point out the flaw in my thinking.
                      Steve
                      One thing to keep in mind is, man wrote the laws regarding the conservation of energy, not nature.
                      Nature writes it's own laws regardless of what man thinks or does.

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                      • Originally posted by scratchrobot View Post
                        This is all old stuff and has been here for years, if it's real then why aren't we using this technology already???

                        Regards, scratchrobot
                        That is the mind block that prevented it from happening. I believe that there are forces at play to prevent us from knowing this, and has worked to distract people from getting so close to this simple effect. Thane has been saying us all along, do we listen?

                        "There is no free energy, you have to work hard to get it", Isn't this quote familiar? I don't believe you need to "work hard" to get the energy of the SUN. The mind blocks need to be removed. Belief is such an important thing, when you believe that you have to work hard to get free energy, then that is what you will get. The belief system of the FE community had been manipulated, on purpose or not, I do not know.

                        I believe that everything is free, Our bodies, the air we breath, the planet we live on, the Sun that provides us with energy. There is nothing in this universe that you need to work hard to get it. That is the belief of the past. Everything is provided for free in this infinite Universe.

                        Keep it up friends! I see the light at the end of the tunnel and it is approaching fast.
                        Last edited by elias; 08-17-2011, 06:03 AM.
                        Humility, an important property for a COP>1 system.
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                        • Originally posted by toranarod View Post
                          I have never tried air cores well not recently. coils without cores are hard to mount.

                          you are right this needs to be tested. see what i can set up, same coil no core. I will post what ever results i find.

                          I am very interested in the bucking coil concept.
                          looking forward to more research on this subject.

                          thanks to all
                          cheers
                          I have, and the effect I got was similar to when I was using ferrite as my core. I could get about almost no drag when shorting the coil at about 6000RPM, that was the closest thing I was able to achieve. Have you been able to do tests with ferrite. If you cannot get the same effect by using ferrite, then we will know that Iron has some role in all of this.
                          Last edited by elias; 08-17-2011, 06:10 AM.
                          Humility, an important property for a COP>1 system.
                          http://blog.hexaheart.org

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                          • Originally posted by elias View Post
                            I have, and the effect I got was similar to when I was using ferrite as my core. I could get about almost no drag when shorting the coil at about 6000RPM, that was the closest thing I was able to achieve. Have you been able to do tests with ferrite. If you cannot get the same effect by using ferrite, then we will know that Iron has some role in all of this.
                            Again, this sounds like an inductance induced magnetic delay in the coil core. It would not make sense to do this with an air core because the RPM would need to be higher creating the need for higher input. Why does iron work so much better? That's what we need to be thinking about if we are to really figure out the inner workings of the effect we see. We should be concentrating on creating the effect at lower RPM's. Romero said that this effect worked best using Mu metal. What does that tell us?

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                            • Originally posted by elias View Post
                              I have, and the effect I got was similar to when I was using ferrite as my core. I could get about almost no drag when shorting the coil at about 6000RPM, that was the closest thing I was able to achieve. Have you been able to do tests with ferrite. If you cannot get the same effect by using ferrite, then we will know that Iron has some role in all of this.
                              I have tried ferrite twice with no positive results.
                              I will try air core see what transpires.
                              This is what I think? The iron is slow at recovering and it works even better with only half cycle loading. Only drawing current as the magnet approaches the iron core. And not loading as it is leaving the core would suggest the speed increase is because the left over lenz created after the diodes stop conducting. It then pushes the magnet away.
                              The speed is better with a load on the generator coils than it is with no coils in the motor at all.
                              The other two very important factors are rotor speed and the gap between core and magnet. To get where I am now I needed to build an adjustable mounting for the coils that can be adjusted while the motor is running. Never would have seen this effect if I could not of done that.
                              Last edited by toranarod; 08-17-2011, 08:59 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by fan1701 View Post
                                Hi all. Don't know if this is tried or even relevant to the conversation but I have been able to increase a rotor speed by placing a generator coil in series (on positive side) with a cap dump back to primary and then placing the gen coil in the correct position next to the rotor so that it pushes (or pulls) the magnet that is approaching when the dump event occurs. This also causes a resistance in the dump circuit preventing the cap from draining as quickly. If its useful try it if not just ignore and my apologies. Great work everyone.

                                al
                                Hi Al,

                                Would like to know if the input power draw remains nearly the same or changes when you apply the gen coil in series as you described? This would be a key point: the input power would not change (or would even decrease) when you apply the gen coil series insertion.

                                Your test reminds me of Ben Thomas tests with the RomeroUK motor-generator setup where Ben also inserted 2 gen coils output in series with the primary input, see his video:
                                My Romero Boost Circuit - YouTube

                                Ben wrote: Just showing how I series main power supply and Romero single coil pair power generator supply to demonstrate boost and increase in RPM and reduction of Lenz.
                                14VDC in about 2100 rpm, 14VDC in with load on generator but no boost, about 1800 rpm, boost in motor generator sees about 19.5 VDC and runs 2500 RPM +.
                                Below about 10VDC on Motor, Lenz is greater in generator and just loads down rotor, above that you start to see the Generator/boost effect kick in! On my motor best combination is about 14.000VDC on main power supply.


                                So I believe this series method needs further investigation because it seems to give some extra without much penalty... thanks for bringing this up.

                                Gyula
                                Last edited by gyula; 08-17-2011, 09:33 AM.

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