Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[elias]

Hi Elias,

You may wish to check Romero's cores data, he used an OD=6mm with 15mm length ferrite cores taken from PC power supplies. So his cores length were the same as his coils length.

Thanks,
Gyula

Thank you, corrected, I meant the diameter. Yeah I have some.

[qvision]

Make your own cores out of magnetite :

Magnetite Sand (Iron(II,III) oxide, Fe3O4) - 400 Grams | eBay

Use epoxy resin as a glue, making the mixture very thick, containing as much magnetite as you can pack into the volume of space inside your coil-former.


magnetite core - Google Search

[meryl.anny]

Make your own cores out of magnetite :

Magnetite Sand (Iron(II,III) oxide, Fe3O4) - 400 Grams | eBay

Use epoxy resin as a glue, making the mixture very thick, containing as much magnetite as you can pack into the volume of space inside your coil-former.


magnetite core - Google Search

Do you think it's better to use magnetite cores or iron powder cores ? I was leaning towards iron powder. In any case, I think the cores are build the same way,. I might try both.

[qvision]

Use magnetite.

It is superior to even metglass.

Watch these videos :

Dr. Peter Lindemann Speaks on Magnetite Core Material - YouTube

Magnetite Cores - YouTube

Magnitite Cores 2 - YouTube

It is cheap, highly effective as either a drive or a generator core and it's what Muller used.

[toranarod]

Use magnetite.

It is superior to even metglass.

Watch these videos :

Dr. Peter Lindemann Speaks on Magnetite Core Material - YouTube

Magnetite Cores - YouTube

Magnitite Cores 2 - YouTube

It is cheap, highly effective as either a drive or a generator core and it's what Muller used.

this is good

[Lidmotor]

How does this work???

100% Free energy generator !!! - YouTube
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Chet

Thanks for posting the link to this video. It perhaps does not belong here and should have it's own thread started.
I have watched the two video's of this motor and do not understand how it runs. The inventor does not want to give out info on it because he claims that it might be dangerous. Running at 7000 RPM I can see his point.

This appears to be a diametrically magnetized ring magnet type pulse motor which I am very familiar with. The problem is that I see no switching method to energize the coils. I can't see a reed switch or a transistor circuit. The two coils appear to be wired in series and directly connected to the power source. A bridge rectifier setup is connected to a capacitor to collect the output.

HOW does this thing work? Does anybody have any ideas? I think that it may relate to the Romero Dynamo because of the way the spinning magnet is inducing power back at the device.

Here is the second video where he has the motor apart, puts it back together, and runs it up. See if you can see ANY switching method to keep the rotor spinning. I can't.

Motor de auto inducción y rotación por inercia - YouTube


Lidmotor

[qvision]

this is good

Glad it's useful to you

[Slider2732]

To answer Ron's thought...yep, whatever you might have seen in my now oldish videos is directly related to the cores that come from junk. Romero used PC bits, so, I did and do
Often, as with the multi-strand coils, the core is the very same one that came with the coil !
They are adjustable, using a screw thread formed in the plastic innard at the factory and all is there ready to use, except how we wire those 7 strands (which normally are all together as soldered on each of the 2 inputs).
Snap the plastic box off the side of the PC monitor neck area and take out the 2 coils. If they are connected together with plastic, loosen the inner core and remove it, with an Allen key and then cut the two apart. Snap the core into 2 pieces and there we go, 2 coils, with adjustable cores.
Alternatively, take the 7 strand copper wire from the neck and grab a sewing bobbin. Wind til the bobbin is full and do it anyhow you like (Romero's coils aren't perfectly wound and the belief seems to be because of capacitance...I dunno, no idea, just followed what he did). Find some choke cores in power supplies and put one in the now filled sewing bobbin.

Glad you mentioned the motor Lidmotor - please do start a thread about that. I'm sure many people also have questions, I know I do.
Those coils appear to be completing the circuit, rather than deriving power or having a situation where 1 is powering and one collecting. It looked to me, like 1 wire goes to 1 side of the coil from the supercap/batt and the other wire goes to the FWBR with HV cap across. Same deal with the other coil.
It all needs to be picked apart...but I was thrilled to see that very simple thing doing its stuff. Less is more

[Xenomorph]

Thanks for posting the link to this video. It perhaps does not belong here and should have it's own thread started.
I have watched the two video's of this motor and do not understand how it runs. The inventor does not want to give out info on it because he claims that it might be dangerous. Running at 7000 RPM I can see his point.

This appears to be a diametrically magnetized ring magnet type pulse motor which I am very familiar with. The problem is that I see no switching method to energize the coils. I can't see a reed switch or a transistor circuit. The two coils appear to be wired in series and directly connected to the power source. A bridge rectifier setup is connected to a capacitor to collect the output.

HOW does this thing work? Does anybody have any ideas? I think that it may relate to the Romero Dynamo because of the way the spinning magnet is inducing power back at the device.

Here is the second video where he has the motor apart, puts it back together, and runs it up. See if you can see ANY switching method to keep the rotor spinning. I can't.

Motor de auto inducción y rotación por inercia - YouTube


Lidmotor

Hey Lidmotor.
I think the switching is done with the diodes controlled by the cap voltage of the electrolytic (~2200 uF) cap.
At first look i found it unusual that he used 2 parallel diodes, since one does not expect that high currents off such tiny generator coils.
My guess is that it's (a combination of normal or zener diodes and) TVS diodes with a 68 Volt Threshold.
Ted came up with something similar a year ago : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post96748
Cannot be too much other possibilities with such a simple circuit if it's not that.
If the 4 diodes really are just a bridge, then i also got no idea hehe.

Maybe it's even related to this : Faraday Motor

[RAMSET]

Start A thread I'll invite the others talking on other forums

LidMotor
Yes "Hows It Done"?

Some fellows here also Wondering?
I believe "the One" [handle at OU] spoke with the inventer?

New videos found on youtube, tiny generator with 2 coils

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Chet

[vidbid]

Remerogen

A New Idea For A Modification on the Muller Generator / RomeroUK Replication

New Thread: Remerogen

Also see YouTube Video:

RomeroUK Replication - YouTube

Why new thread ???
Is all here already: Muller generator replication by Romerouk

Remerogen is an idea for a modification, of joining a Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor to a Modified Muller Generator (no drive coils).

[Zlatko]

Thanks for quoting here.
So your answer concerning the duplicate thread is?

[wattsup]

For laminated cores, I have once ground off the weld on a micro wave transformer and removed the top lamination. You can then split them in any width you need.

Here are two photos of how to do it.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%2...er-lamination/

wattsup

[toranarod]

For laminated cores, I have once ground off the weld on a micro wave transformer and removed the top lamination. You can then split them in any width you need.

Here are two photos of how to do it.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%2...er-lamination/

wattsup

the lamination's are the way to go. I have the best results well the only results with laminated Iron or Mu metal.
all what Romero said about a constant load. The DC To DC converter very important.. converting energy?

[marxist]

orientation of laminations

Hi toranarod,

I was wondering whether it would affect the speed, if you mount your cores so that the laminations are oriented horizontally instead of vertically.

I'll try to explain better:
from the pictures you posted, I think you mount your coils so that the core-laminations are "standing upright" and not "lying flat".
In order to make them lie flat, you would have to turn the core 90 degrees.

I was wondering if the achieved rpms would be different, if the laminations were lying flat?
Yes, it sounds like a silly idea, but it would be interesting to know whether the orientation of the laminations has an influence. Maybe you could test that?

If you can not do the test because you think the idea is worthless or it requires too many changes to your setup, maybe somebody else can find out about that?

Thanks