Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[ZeropointEnergy]

Golden Mean

Hey,

I attended a Vedic Mathamatics seminar in Byron Bay Australia last year and
found out about the the Golden mean or phi ratio of 1:1.618.
I'm a very logical, scientific person and thus a friend paid for this to expand
my mind to allow for this metaphysics, then quantify it to myself .
(Plus ordered me a copy of "the book of Phi" by Jain.)

I will not pretend to understand all the metaphyical side of these beliefs,
however, the fact that Ben Franklin utilized a magic square/Lo-Shu square
to in his experiments thereby the sum/sigma equals 260.
Rodin coil used the 108 code, that is phi (1.618) to 100 decimal places and
Searl effect generator factored in phi with the materials utilized.

This is Jain words paraphrased from my notes in this seminar and I was the
only non metaphysical person there that asked scientific questions. He was
interested in my idea of having circuits containing the golden mean/phi.
(If what everyone has been saying is true, we will see the results!!)

Therefore, I must ask if anyone has seriously tried to incorporate the ratio
of 1.618 in either geometry and/or Ohms law in a circuit?.
I have only made a simple circuit and a metaphysist told me the correct
colours to use to obtain a non-linear result.
(can't explain how, I don't understand the metaphysics behind it)
I have only utilized the phi ratio in a simple circuit to quantify to myself if
there is anomolies to approaching this with a non scientific methodology
and will this obtain broken symmetry with non-linear results?

I know this a bit off topic but I'm very interested if anyone has used this
concept in geometry of the coil and then compare to the actual calculated
results of the expected properties of the coil.

Regards
Zero

[ZeropointEnergy]

great link

I E-mailed the company that made the calculator I used above to thank them and inquire as to how they calculated the information. This was the reply that I recieved...



Very interesting. I am grateful that they were willing to release their information to the world. Especially in such a user friendly way. I hope it brings them much business.

K&J Magnetics - Magnetic Field Calculator

Hey,

Great link from K&J Magnetics for determining the magnetic field strength
in grade N38 and over. I have just been using this as a resource tool before
ordering my next lot of magnets. I wish they had grade 8 ferrite magnets
included in there and would of saved me a massive amount of time that I
spent mapping out the magnetic field strength to the air gaps between
magnets. (iron filings on paper was utilized too)

I was discussing what is the best tool for testing for uniform magnetic field
strength when checking the properties, I said would have to be a simple
design to create a home made gauss meter using hall sensors, or maybe was
a complex design (just not sure if would work as advertised)


Regards
Zero

[toranarod]

I see the golden ratio being the peak point here. 1.618. Thanks!

the graph is very helpful I have added three magnets in a stack on my rotor.
according to the calculator I am able to increase the field strength. and it seem to be spot on. Good call Thanks

[toranarod]

Hey,

I attended a Vedic Mathamatics seminar in Byron Bay Australia last year and
found out about the the Golden mean or phi ratio of 1:1.618.
I'm a very logical, scientific person and thus a friend paid for this to expand
my mind to allow for this metaphysics, then quantify it to myself .
(Plus ordered me a copy of "the book of Phi" by Jain.)

I will not pretend to understand all the metaphyical side of these beliefs,
however, the fact that Ben Franklin utilized a magic square/Lo-Shu square
to in his experiments thereby the sum/sigma equals 260.
Rodin coil used the 108 code, that is phi (1.618) to 100 decimal places and
Searl effect generator factored in phi with the materials utilized.

This is Jain words paraphrased from my notes in this seminar and I was the
only non metaphysical person there that asked scientific questions. He was
interested in my idea of having circuits containing the golden mean/phi.
(If what everyone has been saying is true, we will see the results!!)

Therefore, I must ask if anyone has seriously tried to incorporate the ratio
of 1.618 in either geometry and/or Ohms law in a circuit?.
I have only made a simple circuit and a metaphysist told me the correct
colours to use to obtain a non-linear result.
(can't explain how, I don't understand the metaphysics behind it)
I have only utilized the phi ratio in a simple circuit to quantify to myself if
there is anomolies to approaching this with a non scientific methodology
and will this obtain broken symmetry with non-linear results?

I know this a bit off topic but I'm very interested if anyone has used this
concept in geometry of the coil and then compare to the actual calculated
results of the expected properties of the coil.

Regards
Zero

I assume you are in Australia then? there are more Aussies joining all the time.

[toranarod]

Has anybody seen mariuscivic
I heard you damaged your motor?
Did you get your Diodes?

[ZeropointEnergy]

Yep an Aussie

I assume you are in Australia then? there are more Aussies joining all the time.

Hey Rod,

That is correct mate. I have not been on forums long, however, has aided
my experiments having like minded people building the same devices
I'm finally obtaining all the parts for the Muller/RomeroUK replication at the
same time as my current projects, now to find the time

Regards
Zero

[qvision]

Hi ZPE,

i like your idea about phi and circuitry, i don't know if anyone has tried it. Can you give us a schematic of what you tried ?

[Shadesz]

Ok now I am confused...
I thought our way of maximizing phase shifts was to maximize inductance and minimize resistance? But how does that relate to what this guy has to say about calculating phase shifts?

The practical use of this chart is that anyone could select the frequency of interest and the amount of phase shift that they would allow and then calculate how much inductance would be required to satisfy the desired phase shift allowed.

This illustrates that the lower the phase shift you desire the greater the inductive reactance must be at any given frequency which you select.

Magnequest - Transformers and Phase Shifts

Notice his conclusion (the underlined part in the quote). Isn't this the opposite of what our current thinking is? Can someone help me understand?

[mariuscivic]

Has anybody seen mariuscivic
I heard you damaged your motor?
Did you get your Diodes?

Hi Toranarod
I did damage my rotor;tryed to fix it but in the end one magnet flew off. I was very lucky it didn't hit me . It flew off around 6000 rpm. So now i bouth other 16 mags (10/10mm cube n48) becouse i want to make a new rotor with the duble nr of magnets hopping i will get the same effect at lower rpm.Since i want to make a new one please tell me if you now what is the best distance between the mags. I'm also on the other forum Muller Dynamo . Im changing very frequently my setup becouse now i have some more time and also i have many ideas. I'm doing that becouse not always the theory is the same as practice. Yesterday i connected the gen coils between them before the bridges and i did get the speeding in dead short but not in load. Didn't knew what to do with that, i've changed once again my setup

[kEhYo77]

Hi mariuscivic. Recently Romero shared the info about the magnet spacing.
If I remember correctly it is to be minimum 1.2 times of the magnet width between adjacent poles in NS configuration.

Pozdro!

[Rogla]

Ok now I am confused...
I thought our way of maximizing phase shifts was to maximize inductance and minimize resistance? But how does that relate to what this guy has to say about calculating phase shifts?

Magnequest - Transformers and Phase Shifts

Notice his conclusion (the underlined part in the quote). Isn't this the opposite of what our current thinking is? Can someone help me understand?

He does not use the standard definition of the angle. He looks at "phase angle equals arc tan of the quantity R divided by X" , arctan(R/X).

The standard definition is arctan(X/R).

See Phasor Diagrams here: Phase Relationships in AC Circuits

[ewizard]

Hi Toranarod
I did damage my rotor;tryed to fix it but in the end one magnet flew off. I was very lucky it didn't hit me . It flew off around 6000 rpm. So now i bouth other 16 mags (10/10mm cube n48) becouse i want to make a new rotor with the duble nr of magnets hopping i will get the same effect at lower rpm.Since i want to make a new one please tell me if you now what is the best distance between the mags. I'm also on the other forum Muller Dynamo . Im changing very frequently my setup becouse now i have some more time and also i have many ideas. I'm doing that becouse not always the theory is the same as practice. Yesterday i connected the gen coils between them before the bridges and i did get the speeding in dead short but not in load. Didn't knew what to do with that, i've changed once again my setup

Warned you about that didn't I ? Glad you're okay but please guys this isn't worth getting killed or injured over. It's like playing Russian Routlette. Put a fence of some sort around your setup if you are going to go for the higher RPM's. A simple 1/2" or so plywood or other wooden perimeter will protect you from most projectiles. And easy to find scrap plywood free at almost any construction site if you don't have some.

[qvision]

After days of testing ... here is my first result, thanks to Romero for advising the single coil/many RPM test


Speed Under Load Test.


COIL :

24 SWG (0.56mm, 23 AWG is closest at 0.573mm)

L = 53 mH
R = 60 Ohms

55mm long and 37mm wide.

Coil former barrel diameter is 15mm.

Unsure of number of turns since shop bought.


ROTOR :

VHS motor.

Diameter : 60mm


MAGNETS :

8 x 10mm diameter x 5mm height disc magnets, grade N42.
Magnets arranged N/S.


DRIVE CIRCUITRY :

Standard SSG drive circuit with charging diode removed.


RESULTS :

At 1100 RPM, shorting the coil increased the RPM to 1290

The input current went up from 115 mA to 120 mA

I will now do more testing and post results

I have done more testing and at some spots the RPM goes up while the current draw remains the same and i have just found my first spot where RPM goes up and current draw goes down.

@ Marius, this is at low RPM's starting off at around 1000 and the effect is there.

I do what ewizard advises and i put some MDF and some tool boxes around the device to catch any escaping magnets.

[mariuscivic]

Hi mariuscivic. Recently Romero shared the info about the magnet spacing.
If I remember correctly it is to be minimum 1.2 times of the magnet width between adjacent poles in NS configuration.

Pozdro!

Hi kEhYo77!

You're right. But in NNN configuration i don't think it's the same. I've allready put on my rotor 10 mags (10/10mm) witch gave a distance of 20mm between them and i had trouble with my hall senzor.It was very dificult to find the ''sweat spot'' for triggering and I couldn't spin the rotor more than 3000 rpm. In my curent rotor the space between the mags is 25mm. Those 5 mm more make a huge difference . I think it's very important the strenght of the magnetic field.

[toranarod]

Hey Rod,

That is correct mate. I have not been on forums long, however, has aided
my experiments having like minded people building the same devices
I'm finally obtaining all the parts for the Muller/RomeroUK replication at the
same time as my current projects, now to find the time

Regards
Zero

great to see. you would know just from the word Torana I am Aussie.
A Torana is a gateway seen in Buddhist architecture. its also an aboriginal word like the wind they named a car after.