Easiest way to get a C.O.P of 1.8

[Farmhand]

Edit: It has been shown to me by two people, that the way I calculated what I thought would be the co-efficient of performance, was wrong. And this arrangement cannot possibly be over C.O.P 1. So I would have to agree. However it is not possible to change the thread title on the main page so I just changed it above. Sorry for the confusion. Test is still underway to determin the effective work performed of this arrangement compared to conventional use. This will give an indication of any increase in run time for a fixed load. ;

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Hi all, I decided with all the complicated machines being built that I should show just how easy it is to acheive a C.O.P. of 1 to 1.8. I used all easily obtained stuff, commecial inverters and a normal light bulb. In the video i make a mistake and refer to a negative terminal as a positive one, nobodies perfect, sorry.

YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

At about 8 minutes I make the current reading of the inverter input wire's, there is equal current out to in. The bulb is 25 watts and the inverter is a 12 to 220/240 model, with about 500-600ma standby current use.

Normally the 2.6 amps shown is wasted, but it does not need to be, the only real energy consumed is what is disapated in the bulb the rest is disapated in the negative of the battery in normal circumstances.

Using a "Switch Bank" the 2.6 amps go's on to charge another battery or preferably two identical batteries to the source one's but in parallel.

The funny lookin light in a steel can is what I use for seeing inside chicken eggs when I am incubating them. Just incase anyone was wondering. Umm, It can also cook an egg if one is forgetful or easily distracted.

I don't see how it could be seen any other way than as a recycling of the energy used. I can see how it could be possible to implement this principal into many device's. And in future I will be always thinking of ways to get similar results from different things in different ways.

Taking advantage of the fact that potentials are in a way "locked" and when one falls another must rise.

Here's another video using a small battery charger which uses a 12 volt source.
YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

I'm working on a few different things with this type of effect now but I thought I would show it's most basic embodyment so that it can be used by those who may get benefit from it. After a major storm or something it would be a way to use stuff for much longer than normal and get the very most from your batteries.

Its a perfect demonstration of the Aether powers the load.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Hi all, Transformers capture free energy constantly they must or they would not work.

Here is some transformer theory. I have taken a couple of small snippets of intrest. It is implied by this guy that equal energy is gained as is put through the primary.

From the Document.

Source of theory document. Transformers Part 1 - Beginners' Guide to Electronics

Quote:

"Preface
One thing that obviously confuses many people is the idea of flux density within the transformer core. While this is covered in more detail in Section 2, it is important that this section's information is remembered at every stage of your reading through this article. For any power transformer, the maximum flux density in the core is obtained when the transformer is idle. I will reiterate this, as it is very important ...

For any power transformer, the maximum flux density is obtained when the transformer is idle.

The idea is counter-intuitive, it even verges on not making sense.

Be that as it may, it's a fact, and missing it will ruin your understanding of transformers. At idle, the transformer back-EMF almost exactly cancels out the applied voltage. The small current that flows maintains the flux density at the maximum allowed value, and represents iron loss (see Section 2). As current is drawn from the secondary, the flux falls slightly, and allows more primary current to flow to provide the output current.

It is not important that you understand the reasons for this right from the beginning, but it is important that you remember that for any power transformer, the maximum flux density is obtained when the transformer is idle. Please don't forget this."

I only bolded part of this sentance from the previous passage because I think it is intentionally misleading, in the sense they are trying to keep people interested in tranformer theory and not free energy.

As current is drawn from the secondary, the flux falls slightly, and allows more primary current to flow to provide the output current.

I think it should read like this.
As current is drawn from the secondary, the flux falls slightly, and allows more primary current to flow to manifest the required flux in real time to induce the required current flow in the secondary circuit. The current through the primary goes to ground, it is different current.

3. How a Transformer Works
At no load, an ideal transformer draws virtually no current from the mains, since it is simply a large inductance. The whole principle of operation is based on induced magnetic flux, which not only creates a voltage (and current) in the secondary, but the primary as well! It is this characteristic that allows any inductor to function as expected, and the voltage generated in the primary is called a "back EMF" (electromotive force). The magnitude of this voltage is such that it almost equals (and is effectively in the same phase as) the applied EMF.

I'm no expert but I get the feeling this is important to understand better. My interpretation might be a bit off but the results do not lie.

The part about the transformer using very little current at idle is true, my transformer uses an almost undetectable amount of current at idle as little as 9Ma and there is an led on the controller and 4 IC's resistors and whatnot.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

And just for curiosity sake I'll show this video of a waveform i managed to produce in which the ringout section appears to rotate like a vortex.

YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

It's kinda cool. Or wierd. Anyway enjoy.

[mbrownn]

You are absolutely right.

I use a 4 battery system similar to yours with my Imhotep fan, the measured COP is in excess of 2.

Our big mistake in normal electrical theory is to assume that the input power is consumed by the load, when in fact only a small amount is. Most of the input power passes through the load and is consumed by shorting the source battery.

For example a 100w load is allowing 100w to pass through it, but there may be only a small amount of that power actually consumed. What comes out of the other side can be used for another purpose such as charging a battery.

Typically a load may be 70% efficient using standard electrical theory but we can also recover 70% by this technique very easily. That’s a COP of 1.4

Obviously there is no other input so standard electrical theory is either wrong or just oversimplified. Just as Peter Lindermann has demonstrated with motors, 746W of electrical power is not 1hp, it is considerably less.

Now where we use a device as a load that collects energy from another source, such as an SSG, our figures can multiply.

Using our AC supply we could put a bridge rectifier and battery bank in series with the supply and load. When the battery bank is full we switch from the AC supply and use an inverter from the battery bank to power the load. When the batteries are low we switch back to the ac supply and repeat the cycle. We could easily make a 50% saving in power consumption from the grid this way.

[Farmhand]

Yes It would be untrue to say it was automatically Overunity and I don't really make that claim. And I don't claim it is my idea either. I realise lots of people already know and use it. But I was ignorant of it being so effective with any load used. Of course this can be compounded too. And I like your idea with the Utility power but . That could get people into trouble. Good thinking though all the same, that's what we need is a new way of looking at thing's.

I have to use some battery power normally now to make room for new charge from the solar panels. Seems wasteful, but everything is full. Can't keep it all, I guess I can only gain what I use now. If that make's any sense.

Cheers

P.S. I should have said. It would be untrue to say anything i did in the video's was Overunity, but I stand by it being over C.O.P. 1. And as close as you could get to showing "Unity" without complicated measurements.

I consider the C.O.P. to be very different to Overunity. And the more time's back and forth it is used without recharging from an external source the higher the C.O.P could be. The current would be re-measured over and over.

Don't that tear a hole in the theories of us mere men. Haha

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[nilrehob]

Great to hear success with the 4 battery setup.



This rhymes with the Tesla-Switch, as in this patent by Lisac:
Method and Device for Supplying a ... - Google Patents

and also with the modified Bedini SSG




/Hob

[Farmhand]

Yes your right Hob, I started messing with different ways to do this using coils and pulsing circuits with some quite messy results and some good. When suddenly i found myself wondering why not do it with inverters when I need to use them or my little 12 volt battery charger. Using a battery charger that works from 12 volts could easily be considered OU and we all know how to make them.

Needless to say the results were pleasing. And I am definately continuing with a more complicated arrangement that is similar to using two inverter's or Tesla converters or one quad primary toroidal transformer not sure yet.

But it is fun.

Oh can anyone tell me how the inverters I have would make a pure sine wave output ? They don't seem to have any transformer in them so they must be based on capacitors or something. I imagine the little battery charger I have that uses 12 volts to charge all kinds of batteries up to 14.4v works on a charge pump or something.

Cheers

[Web000x]

Oh can anyone tell me how the inverters I have would make a pure sine wave output ? They don't seem to have any transformer in them so they must be based on capacitors or something. I imagine the little battery charger I have that uses 12 volts to charge all kinds of batteries up to 14.4v works on a charge pump or something.

Cheers

If it is not an "Pure Sine Wave Inverter", it probably isn't making a sine wave. Have you checked the output on a scope? I'll bet it looks like a series of positive and negative spikes at about 50 or 60 Hz.

Dave

[Farmhand]

Hi Dave, No I haven't checked the inverter outputs but they are pure sine wave inverters, well they are supposed to be it says it on them and in the paperwork. But I will check them now you mention it, carefully.

It does make me wonder how they do it, but I don't know a whole lot about that. So I ask.

Wouldn't surprise me these days if they wern't though.

Dunno, too late to check now. Past my bedtime.

Any idea's how they could do it ?


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[Iotayodi]

We could easily make a 50% saving in power consumption from the grid this way

Power company would have no say over this. It would have to adhere to the electric code though. If it is possible then it needs to be worked on.

[Farmhand]

Power company would have no say over this. It would have to adhere to the electric code though. If it is possible then it needs to be worked on.

After reading what mbrownn wrote again I would have to agree. However the power companies have been used a tool of suppression before. It makes no difference if one is right or wrong if you are sent to court for stealing power from the power company, the result would likely be a guilty verdict, guilty or not. I'm dubious about using their power to make gains.

And I would not be expecting anyone to organise a protest over the injustice, not while the television is still working. Truth is if your bill drops significantly for no apparent reason the power company will investigate.

Maybe I'm just paranoid but I would say a bullet proof explanation of how you have managed to drop the bill so much and still use power would be needed.

I agree it is a very good idea. And should be worked on. If it can be done without anyone getting in trouble then that would be awesome.

I'm not afraid of a little trouble myself. But I have very little to lose.

It's not up to me what people do though so go for it.

Cheers

[tjnlsn255]

Farmhand,

What is happening to the 24v voltage on the two batteries in series while the other two batteries are charging up?

If the cop is even equal to 1 then none of the batteries would ever go down in voltage, is this your experience?

Do the battiers have to be manually swapped around over time and when?

Hopes and dreams......

Todd

[teslaproject]

No...and NO

Your calculations are incorrect Farmhand.

It is good to see that people are finally catching on to the fact that the circuits can be made to do much more work rather than hooking a battery to it and thus 'killing' it and then charging it from a separate source...HOWEVER...Farmhand, I have run these experiments a long time ago (and much more complex also with radiant methods of pulse charging Parallel bats from a series battery connection.

THERE ARE STILL LOSSES.

1) The inverter is nowhere near 100% efficient.
2) Losses at the load (your light bulb/motor whatever), in heat and conversion to other types of energy.
3) LOSSES in CHARGING the two batteries. When you charge ANY battery, this is a imperfect chemical process and not like taking two coins from one bucket and putting them in another bucket...the 'transfer' is horriblly low depending on your charge method.

I GUARANTEE that your method is not COP 1.8 and not even COP 0.9.

Its efficiency is better YES...but you need to top up the batteries with solar or something.

TP

[boguslaw]

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[mbrownn]

When using the Tesla type battery circuit on my SSG I get about 70ish percent charging efficiency on the back end batteries, 95% on the Bedini style and about 25ish percent mechanical energy, close to a COP of 2.

The figures were slightly better with my Imhotep/Bedini fan in the same setup but as the numbers were much smaller the margin of error was bigger.

Having not physically tried out my AC supply idea I am a little worried about hitting the batteries with too much power. So does anyone have any advice before I hook this up?

I think that the load will limit the power so if I use a 5W transformer as a load then only 5 watts can be fed into the battery. The voltage drop across the transformer should be enough to bring it down to a safe level to hook up to a 12v battery, am I correct?

Again I believe the size of battery will have to be matched to the load.

I am thinking of having a battery/inverter system for each load, maybe with a little ingenuity it can be made like a UPS.

I don’t think the electric company here would have a problem with people reducing their consumption as the power stations are stretched beyond their limits.

On the efficiency of inverters I assumed around 70% if matched to the load. 70% of 70% is 49%, more or less 50%

PS the voltage supply here is 220 to 240v 60Hz